[DF] Marvel's Avengers PS5 vs Xbox Series S/X
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Md Ray
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Tchu-Espresso
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It's the RDR2 effect. They never went back and fixed that either..
Panajev2001a
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I do the same when updating to a new version of iOS and the new iPhone model that came alongside it, I ask the iOS team to take the Android's team codebase and port it over. I mean the iOS devs would be stupid to update their existing iOS code to take advantage of the new HW and OS features if they only had a small time window to do the improvements right
?Seriously though, of course they took and extended the PS4 Pro version, considering the SDK is essentially the same and you can get started very quickly that way and get the bulk of the performancd improvements brute forcing your way through.
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Panajev2001a
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33 GB of difference is massive (quality mode being the same means that this savings does not come at the expense of visual quality).
DenchDeckard
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I could totally see the ps5 version being the ps4 pro version ported over. The only thing that confuses me in that hyperthetical is why isn't the ps5 version running constantly at 60 fps and 4k checkerboarding if it has the horse power to do it. There's moments that it's running at less pixels than 1080p on the ps5 with checkerboarding to hit the 60fps.
Does anyone in the know understand why this is happening. Surely if the ps5 had all this untapped power to pull from it would just be cb at 4k? So half the vertical res but full fat 4k image?
It still seems to be dropping res dynamically as well as then processing the image with CB? it doesn't make sense to me.
Does anyone in the know understand why this is happening. Surely if the ps5 had all this untapped power to pull from it would just be cb at 4k? So half the vertical res but full fat 4k image?
It still seems to be dropping res dynamically as well as then processing the image with CB? it doesn't make sense to me.
Physiognomonics
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but it actually runs at 4k cbr most of the time. the 1440p is the worst case they found in the most extreme scenario. But according to VGTech it usually at max DRS res: 4k.
You need to know that CBR is not free for the system and it actually costs ressources to use it. so you can't directly compare 1440p CBR with the native min seen on XSX: 1296p.
All data provided by VGTech.
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DenchDeckard
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Ah ok, thanks for that. so it being full fat 4k most of the time why is the text constantly changing etc like the resolution is moving up and down regularly? And seeing issues like th foliage in the woods?
It seems like the res is constantly fluctuating on the ps5 which is causing the majority of the issues.
Hopefully it geta ironed out.
It's not the fact that a game is crossgen. It's how much effort is put into a specific version. For games that get a patch this is slightly different to for example a game created with an engine built for next gen. The way this game scales (horizontal half) and uses CB in this case could be a big change.
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polybius80
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how do you know that this game(specifically?) is using the console capabilities?
I dont know which engine the game uses but I think the question about "if its ported or not" is important because if they simply took the GNM(X) code and recompiled for PS5 then that is not using the console capabilities, even if they tweak some variables for resolution or other stuff, its like taking an old 32 bit winxp era game and just recompiling for 64 bit, it doesnt mean its using the new functions in the newer version of the API, it doesnt mean they re-did the shaders for the new specs or using newer functionw and hardware extentions or adapted to use the new memory or exploit if possible the faster speed of current memory
can you clarify this "it's ported from a version that's more "next gen" then the consoles can even handle"
what version is that? and what does it have that the consoles cant handle it? isnt the game also on PS4/Xbox one?
M1chl
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Really, so it can be hard for first time?
RoboFu
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I play this game all the time in performance and my fan never revs. I have the console on my desk as well right behind the monitor.
BLAUcopter
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I noticed this after the patch dropped. The image quality switching was so jarring. Currently playing at 30 FPS which is OK but would much prefer 60. Hopefully it's a bug that can be patched, if not, it's another one for xbox....
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abel empire
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The resolutions dont tell the whole story it also seems the ps5 is using higher quality textures than series x in some scenes but as usual digital foundry would never mention this..
look at the background text/ board.
look at the background text/ board.
Sony
Nintendo
The resolutions dont tell the whole story it also seems the ps5 is using higher quality textures than series x in some scenes but as usual digital foundry would never mention this..
look at the background text/ board.
This is a difference is Depth of Field settings, not textures.
M1chl
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Not sure about that chief:The resolutions dont tell the whole story it also seems the ps5 is using higher quality textures than series x in some scenes but as usual digital foundry would never mention this..
look at the background text/ board.
abel empire
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The resolutions dont tell the whole story it also seems the ps5 is using higher quality textures than series x in some scenes but as usual digital foundry would never mention this..
look at the background text/ board.
That isnt texture detail the blur on ps5 is due to checkerboarding but the textures are higher detail on ps5 heres another photo look at the background rocks here again the ps5 clearly has higher quality texturesNot sure about that chief:
abel empire
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No this isnt depth of field, you can tell depth of field and that isnt it both series s and x use lower res textures than ps5 on high performance mode.
Concern
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martino
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Shmunter
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It does look sharper on PS5 in this instance. But I suspect it could simply be the higher rez output on PS5.That isnt texture detail the blur on ps5 is due to checkerboarding but the textures are higher detail on ps5 heres another photo look at the background rocks here again the ps5 clearly has higher quality textures
I can't see them bothering with higher textures on PS5 in this game.
Buttuglier did state PS5 looks sharper vs the XsX having the cleaner image so that coincides. He also used 'subjective' adnauseum to highlight some may prefer one over the other.
I prefer clean iq over sharpness personally.
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Sony
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It's definitely Depth of Field. Stop focusing on the textures and look at the geometry. Everything is more blurry in the Xbox background, not just the text.
Sony
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Check the video @ 4.49. Series X has a noticeably better IQ in performance mode.That isnt texture detail the blur on ps5 is due to checkerboarding but the textures are higher detail on ps5 heres another photo look at the background rocks here again the ps5 clearly has higher quality textures
abel empire
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Well could be sharpness but even in some close shots like thisIt does look sharper on PS5 in this instance. But I suspect it could simply be the higher rez output on PS5.
I can't see them bothering with higher textures on PS5 in this game.
Buttuglier did state PS5 looks sharper vs the XsX having the cleaner image so that coincides. He also used 'subjective' adnauseum to highlight some may prefer one over the other.
I prefer clean iq over sharpness personally.
That text on the background should be less blurry because the background is just close by i doubt if this is just resolution sharpness. It could be low res textures due to the oversight when optimising for series x and s or anything but yeah
Theres always been some unusual remarks from digital foundry ever since the backlash from xbox fans earlier this gen and i suspect they have internally decided not to talk about big disparities between ps5 and series x that would devalue series x,
I remember when ps5 had higher frame rates they said it doesnt matter on series x because of vrr
Ps5 performs better in gameplay and no series x is better because of photo mode
And now ps5 has higher pixel count then suddenly it doesnt matter because the iq is better on series x its very strange since it was battaglia who went on a campaign praising dlss as the holy grail
It seems they are avoiding any negative news for series x they always dissect its games with care like how parents treat a last born kid.
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abel empire
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Better image quality yes series x has that because of the high native res but the textures are of higher quality on ps5. Having a high native resolution doesnt improve texture quality.
Physiognomonics
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So it should mean the XSX is pretty much well utilized in this game.
Confirmed by the devs even. They used the Pro settings as it was much easier to do so. No regards for better image quality or how to better use the PS5 hardware. Case closed.
abel empire
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Depth of field is applied but it isnt the reason those texts are that blurry those are clearly low res textures.
no stop itThat isnt texture detail the blur on ps5 is due to checkerboarding but the textures are higher detail on ps5 heres another photo look at the background rocks here again the ps5 clearly has higher quality textures
Fulcizombie
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Don't reply on his behalf unless you have read what he wrote. He admitted that he is basically talking even about games like RE8 so it's not just this specific game.
DForce
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You seemed concerned. It came from the devs themselves, but you're too quick to discredit.
The level of coping is sad. Any time XSX needs a patch or something it "lolz tools" but when its the other way they need a way to spin lol
Rea
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PS5 has overall higher resolution output than Xbox but it is achieved with checkerboard rendering upscaling techniques. So, when the player is moving, you can see checkerboard artifacts, but on Xbox it is cleaner due to native 1600~1800p resolution.
By and large, their checkerboarding sucks, Horizon zero dawn and god of war has way better implementation.
By and large, their checkerboarding sucks, Horizon zero dawn and god of war has way better implementation.
Iced Arcade
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Concern
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Cool story. XSX > Ps5 this faceoff lol. No amount of ifs, ands, or buts will change that. Go to the Crash 4 faceoff, that should help you cope
DForce
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Of course, and there's a reason for it. You seem to get upset when it's explained why they used CB.
Fulcizombie
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What on Earth are you talking about ? «higher pixel count», the ps5 is running CB resolution at performance mode, do you understand what that means about its pixel count compared to native resolutions ? Some of you should stop posting in technical threads.Well could be sharpness but even in some close shots like this
That text on the background should be less blurry because the background is just close by i doubt if this is just resolution sharpness. It could be low res textures due to the oversight when optimising for series x and s or anything but yeah
Theres always been some unusual remarks from digital foundry ever since the backlash from xbox fans earlier this gen and i suspect they have internally decided not to talk about big disparities between ps5 and series x that would devalue series x,
I remember when ps5 had higher frame rates they said it doesnt matter on series x because of vrr
Ps5 performs better in gameplay and no series x is better because of photo mode
And now ps5 has higher pixel count then suddenly it doesnt matter because the iq is better on series x its very strange since it was battaglia who went on a campaign praising dlss as the holy grail
It seems they are avoiding any negative news for series x they always dissect its games with care like how parents treat a last born kid.
Werewolfgrandma
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It clearly looks like a stronger dof effect and the extra brightness isn't helping.
Concern
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Upset? Lol im not the one making excuses for the shortcomings of any console in any of these faceoffs. I just find it amusing how up in arms you guys get over this
Ps5 "won" Crash 4. Just go celebrate that "win" and call it a day.
skit_data
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If we are to accept that tools might indeed be an issue in some cases, we might as well accept that crossgen cames in some cases use PS4 pro settings because the sources in both cases are the only ones with first hand experience: the devs
DForce
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I quoted the devs. You're calling it excuses.Upset? Lol im not the one making excuses for the shortcomings of any console in any of these faceoffs. I just find it amusing how up in arms you guys get over this
Ps5 "won" Crash 4. Just go celebrate that "win" and call it a day.
I just posted a video and you reacted to it. Don't talk about other people making excuses when you're trying to discredit developers.
and why they used it ? sorry i missed this lesson
Fulcizombie
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Just so that we are clear , there are people that believe that the ps5 is a more powerful console ?
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