To be behind could be, it has some raw edges but it's not that far as some people claim and surely it's not broken and shitty. Also DLSS 4 has it's own issue and I doubt it's used to upscale from the same lower resolution on console.
I mean what people expecting, 30-40% faster gpu rendering game with same settings but with around 40% more pixels usually. It is what it is, maybe little disappointing that apparenlty 2x-3x boost in rt performance is nowhere to seen.
worse, 80EUR
Look better based on your feeling? I remind long conversation here amid MazingerDude (ex DF member) and you and how he tried to explain to you there are case by case which sometimes PSSR was even better and just to stop it with this annoying fanboy nonsense.. If for you DLSS3 it's better, good, but stop to spread your personal obstinacy as tech fact.
In your obsessed mind, sure.
The noisy are caused to raytracing not PSSR. Just to show how deep are your knowledge about the matter. Nvidia gpu have hardware raytracing denoiser. Ps5 unfortunately uses AMD gpu.
No your ignorance is the problem here. Because Jedi Survivor has notorious raytracing noisy problems.
On pc also. And software denoiser work just in still, in motion is ineffective that's why nvidia hardware denoiser helps immensely.
Don't believe me. I don't care. It was reported on resetera by a developer who post regularly there and it explained most of the PSSR issues pointed out are not relative to the upscaler but to the lower buffer of the real time lighting and shadows effects as raytracing or screen space calculations.
Jedi Survivor doesn't use ray reconstruction. It ships with a DLSS version that came out over 2 years ago, it was never updated with a newer DLSS version or RR. The PC and console versions all use the same software denoiser built into UE4.
it uses raytracing for indirect lighting if I remember correctly and maybe for contact shadows. And surely for reflections.
Yeah wait for it, but we thought the Xbone had the secret sauce, but it's actually gonna be the series S.Oh dear...
Nobody stood up there gaslighting and lying to people about the capabilities of the PS5 or even the Series X in comparison to hardware that is obviously more capable.
It is about setting realistic expectations, and they failed miserably with the Series S. So much so that they deleted the video that those screen grabs come from:
is this normal or are they changing something to the Series S could it be a hardware refresh and remove the current one from the market?
More details on the video :
Microsoft released a video that takes an in-depth look at the Xbox Series S with Jason Ronald, Director of Program Management. The video in question discusses the goals of the Series S and X and why the console came to be—a next-gen capable console and at a low price point was important for Xbox's vision of gaming on the many platforms that we use in our daily lives.
The video also...
I'm aware, just pointing out there isn't any special denoiser that the PC version is using that the consoles are not. DLSS 3.1 (that the game ships with) is only upscaling and optional frame generation.
Nvidia gpu have hardware raytracing denoiser from awhile. Such gpu are more equipped than AMD gpu for such issues. If I'm not wrong you can't uses UE4/5 or any software denoiser because interfers with PSSR upscaler.
Not on AMD RT gpu. And it's not PSSR who cause noise but low buffer effect which DLSS also can handle separately at native resolution that's why are less noisy.
They do not. Or at least not in a general sense. Ray reconstruction is a ML powered denoiser that is accelerated by Tensor cores like DLSS is, but Nvidia doesn't have any hardware specific for denoising. AMD and Sony can do the same, just recently AND showed they were working on a ML powered denoiser for future release. PS5 Pro might support it in future, PS6 certainly will.
So it uses higher resolution for such effects. Though someone in resetera reported there were similar noise on pc also time ago in the foliage seen on ps5 pro. Not in same extent but there were.
Well PSSR is also an older version on Jedi Survivor than the actual eh ...
www.eurogamer.net
It was January. AC Shadows PSSR is the last versionStar Wars Jedi: Survivor gets a PSSR upgrade on PS5 Pro - and image quality is much improved
Does the latest Jedi: Survivor patch fix the PS5 Pro's egregious image quality issues?
My footage was done after the patch.
bro sell me your pro for peanuts, go hiking, or have a 1001 day sea navigation experience
| Level 1 Minimum | Level 1 Average | Level 1 Maximum | Level 2 Minimum | Level 2 Average | Level 2 Maximum | Level 6 Minimum | Level 6 Average | Level 6 Maximum | 3 Levels Average | % Per Axis | |
| Series S | 637p | 800p | 900p | 637p | 667p | 830p | 637p | 660p | 825p | 709p | 56% |
| Series X | 1019p | 1352p | 1440p | 1019p | 1226p | 1374p | 1019p | 1203p | 1440p | 1260p | 100% |
| PS5 | 1019p | 1147p | 1440p | 1019p | 1047p | 1170p | 1019p | 1038p | 1222p | 1077p | 85% |
| PS5 Pro | 1273p | 1520p | 1800p | 1273p | 1336p | 1549p | 1273p | 1314p | 1506p | 1390p | 110% |
I don't think any of the additional features of the PS5 Pro were used.
I don't think any of the additional features of the PS5 Pro were used.
The artifacts specific to HW VRS also do not appear in the Pro version.
I think the Pro version of this game just increases the resolution and slightly increases some settings.
I only own the Xbox Series X version (Game Pass), so I can't compare it myself.
Primitive Shader still exists in hardware(PS5 & RDNA2 & 3), and Mesh Shader is supported with the idea that the way Mesh Shader is used is realized with Primitive Shader.the base PS5 uses software VRS, with that being somewhat dynamic in general, it's hard to say I think how exactly it would manifest with different APIs n stuff... but the pro does indeed look much more like the software VRS of the base than the hardware VRS of the Xbox
but speaking of APIs, maybe Sony's API for the Pro doesn't support sampler feedback and VRS Tier 2 (yet)? is there any info on Alan Wake 2 and its use of Mesh Shaders? it uses Mesh Shaders on Series X, but on base PS5 they had to use Primitive shaders instead (again due to the missing RDNA2 features). I wonder if Sony didn't add this stuff to their APIs yet
Df always forgets to mention HDR even when RDR2 released with broken HDR it wasn't mentioned once in Johns initial review!
I'm not sure what people are expecting - res bumps and slightly improved frame rates are basically all the Pro can realistically offer. The generation's half over, and given the dev time for most AAA games, most devs are already done for this console cycle. Sony can mandate the inclusion of Pro enhancements, but devs are going to be extremely limited in what they can actually do with it at this stage. In the vast majority of cases, I imagine they'll swap out FSR2 for PSSR, let the increased clocks provide whatever scalability improvements their engine and assets already allow, and be done with it. I mean, what else are they honestly going to do here? Compared to the PS4, where the jump from base ~1080p to the ~4k resolves of the Pro was actually a noticeable step up, the jump here was always going to be smaller.
Jeez. That's not normal. Considered it runs also worse seems the playstation porting is quite rushed to me.The difference in average resolution during gameplay is almost as wide between PS5 vs XSX as it is between XSX vs PS5 Pro. Some captures begins to make more sense.
On the other hand, again, the power consumption is revealing between the XSX and the rest. And seeing the XSS also gives me more hope of getting a Handheld with similar power in a not-too-long wait.
