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PS5 Firmware Beta 2.0 tested: M.2 NVMe storage upgrades - can they match the stock drive?

PlayStation 5's next major firmware update is coming soon and it's set to deliver some key changes to the system's capa…

www.eurogamer.net

 

[MasterCornholio]

 

[Fake]

Finally.

 

[jeffyjaixx]

Any summary ? Can't watch ATM.

 

[roosnam1980]

damn external is faster

 

[ManaByte]

damn external is faster

 

[bender]

Can't watch ATM.

Not my favorite porn either.

 

[ethomaz]

Article for these that doesn't watch videos:

PS5 Firmware Beta 2.0 tested: M.2 NVMe storage upgrades - can they match the stock drive?

PlayStation 5's next major firmware update is coming soon and it's set to deliver some key changes to the system's capa…

www.eurogamer.net

 

[roosnam1980]

980 pro ext SSD loads games 2 to 3 seconds faster

 

[lh032]

damn external is faster

 

[Blond]

980 pro ext SSD loads games 2 to 3 seconds faster

I'm not surprised, I feel like the entire time they knew this proprietary SSD would be surpassed by commercial OTS drives making it cheaper in the long run.

 

[ethomaz]

damn external is faster

They used a 980Pro that is indeed way faster than Internal in raw speeds but the results shows they basically tied.

980 pro ext SSD loads games 2 to 3 seconds faster

Not true.

Look at the full table.

 

[SkylineRKR]

Interesting.

NVME M.2 card is slightly faster than internal in pretty much every game. At least its not performing worse.

 

[roosnam1980]

They used a 980Pro that is indeed way faster than Internal in raw speeds but the results shows they basically tied.

except for battlefield 5 , every game they tested has at least 2 seconds loading advantage in favour of the samsung SSD

 

[Rikkori]

FFS this is useless. I wanted to see someone test if it can use 3.0 SSDs (I know he said no, but didn't say if he actually tested or just took Sony's word for it) or slower & cheaper ones. No shit a top 5 PC ssd runs over this shit, DUH!

 

[Kenpachii]

Men that write speed is dog shit

 

[PleaseDontBanMe]

Any summary ? Can't watch ATM.

apparently its bricking 90 percent of PS5s

 

[Bernd Lauert]

TL;DR: 980 Pro is faster than the internal SSD.

 

[TrueLegend]

I guess I am owed a lot of apologies. Anyway, this is good news. Now all I need is VRR now then my checklist will be finished.

 

[Kenpachii]

FFS this is useless. I wanted to see someone test if it can use 3.0 SSDs or slower & cheaper ones. No shit a top 5 PC ssd runs over this shit, DUH!

Jup, same here.

 

[MasterCornholio]

The one rated at 6.5GB/s. They didn't benchmark those slower drives in this video. You know the ones rated around 3.9GB/s.

 

[ManaByte]

The one rated at 6.5GB/s.

Can you install PS5 games to that external?

 

[AphexTwunt]

Just, FUCKING LOL.

 

[longdi]

Men that write speed is dog shit

seems like Series internal write speeds are much faster than ps5!

 

[ethomaz]

Can you install PS5 games to that external?

External do you mean the M.2 expansion? Yes.

 

[ethomaz]

FFS this is useless. I wanted to see someone test if it can use 3.0 SSDs or slower & cheaper ones. No shit a top 5 PC ssd runs over this shit, DUH!

You can't use PCI-E 3.0 SSDs.
He said what boot if you do that.

 

[skit_data]

Too bad they didn't test slower drives, that was what I hoped for. These results are not surprising at all.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Can you install PS5 games to that external?

To the NVME and play games off it?

Yes you can.

The other external drives (connected via USB) can only have PS4 games run off them.

 

[ManaByte]

External do you mean the M.2 expansion? Yes.

To the NVME and play games off it?

Yes you can.

The other external drives (connected via USB) can only have PS4 games run off them.

He was saying external like it was a USB drive. The M.2 expansion isn't really "external" since you install it in the system.

 

[Fake]

seems like Series internal write speeds are much faster than ps5!

Rich said the speed vary even when you turn ON/OFF the internet.

 

[roosnam1980]

for ps5 APPS the loading difference between internal SSD and samsung SSD is negligible

 

[Trogdor1123]

Not having to deal with all the rest of the overhead makes sense

 

[ethomaz]

except for battlefield 5 , every game they tested has at least 2 seconds loading advantage in favour of the samsung SSD

Just 2 out of 10 game tests showed 980Pro with at least 2 seconds advantage.
Same for internal advantage 2 tests of 10.

The others 6 tests are near tie or below 2 seconds difference.

The 980Pro had an advantage? Yes but it was very close to tie… that probably means faster SSDs won't give better times because the others parts like the I/O complex is limited to that internal.l speeds.

We are talking here in 1000MB/s (18%) more speeds that didn't translate in better times on PS5. The difference between 5500, 6000, 6500, 7000 MB/s will be very small.

The big question is how the sub-5500MB/s SSDs will results in stressful gameplay parts.

 

[Yselacrey00]

I'm not surprised, I feel like the entire time they knew this proprietary SSD would be surpassed by commercial OTS drivers making it cheaper in the long run.

Well, obviously the internal SSD is going to be surpassed. Who would think otherwise?

 

[MasterCornholio]

He was saying external like it was a USB drive. The M.2 expansion isn't really "external" since you install it in the system.

I've seen people call the NVME an external drive. You can't benchmark PS5 off USB externals since PS5 games can't he played off them.

For the most part Digital Foundry was comparing the soldered drive to the NVME expansion.

 

[retsof624]

Too bad they didn't test slower drives, that was what I hoped for. These results are not surprising at all.

Thats what I was hoping for too. I want to see how Ratchet and Clank's portals act with a below spec drive

 

[RoadHazard]

Very uninformative video. No comparison of loading into a proper PS5 game (Plague Tale is a patched PS4 game), and no test of how under-speced drives perform (of course a 7GB/s drive is gonna fare well).

All the PS4 games loading a little faster with the Samsung drive is not surprising at all, since those games will not be using the new storage APIs and will therefore simply be helped by higher raw throughput.

 

[AGRacing]

Men that write speed is dog shit

They hint at it being artificially limited due to the fact that write speed isn't a factor during gameplay... I wonder if they're trying to increase the longevity of the hardware?

 

[Kenpachii]

They hint at it being artificially limited due to the fact that write speed isn't a factor during gameplay... I wonder if they're trying to increase then longevity of the hardware?

Probably not a priority. Cheap SSD's always had this, high read performance, shit write performance. The reason for this is, u read more out then u write towards it.

Not much of a issue tho, read is what matters the most.

 

[YCoCg]

No comparison of loading into a proper PS5 game

They test Ratchet & Clank in the first few minutes, did you even watch the video?

 

[RoadHazard]

They test Ratchet & Clank in the first few minutes, did you even watch the video?

Do you understand what "loading into" means? Going through a portal is not the same thing as loading a save from the main menu.

 

[longdi]

Rich said the speed vary even when you turn ON/OFF the internet.

No he wrote this, "However, in copying the data back to the internal SSD, Xbox Series X was always significantly faster."

They hint at it being artificially limited due to the fact that write speed isn't a factor during gameplay... I wonder if they're trying to increase then longevity of the hardware?

I would think a faster write speed helps to maintain longevity, write it down fast and turn down the power, rather than prolonged slower writes

Probably not a priority. Cheap SSD's always had this, high read performance, shit write performance. The reason for this is, u read more out then u write towards it.

Not much of a issue tho, read is what matters the most.

Possible..Epic China engineer did leaked that Sony choice of their more parallelised ssd was to lower for costs rather than performance reasons..

 

[Fake]

except for battlefield 5 , every game they tested has at least 2 seconds loading advantage in favour of the samsung SSD

The Witcher 3: White Orchard was the same from the SSD without heatsink.

PS4 App Loading Times (Seconds) Stock Internal PS5 825GB Samsung 980 Pro 500GB Samsung 980 Pro 500GB/Heatsink
The Witcher 3: Novigrad Centre - 48.01 - 45.07 - 44.67
The Witcher 3: White Orchard 22.88 22.88 22.70
Cyberpunk 2077: Ripperdoc 41.12 43.93 38.48
Cyberpunk 2077: Maelstromers HQ 33.08 31.08 31.12
Fallout 4: Commonwealth 16.50 14.87 15.13
Fallout 4: Diamond City 15.27 14.01 14.17
Final Fantasy 15: Lestallum 29.18 27.43 27.60
Final Fantasy 15: Hammerhead 24.57 24.08 23.87
Battlefield 5: Nordlys 31.50 34.57 34.57
Battlefield 5: Tirailleur 31.58 34.63 34.53

No he wrote this, "However, in copying the data back to the internal SSD, Xbox Series X was always significantly faster."

Is on the video, not the article.

 

[rsouzadk]

The write speeds though...

 

[MasterCornholio]

They test Ratchet & Clank in the first few minutes, did you even watch the video?

If the video indicates anything that slower drives should see even bigger dips at those points.

Maybe this is what Mike was making a reference to with his testing?

 

[MastaKiiLA]

Looks like expanding storage will be a good idea. I won't both next year's drives land, but looks good. Shouldn't have to worry about losing any performance with expanded storage. It was a good idea going with the storage choice they made. PC tech was already up to speed at launch. Probably way ahead on write speed, based on results people are seeing.

 

[ethomaz]

Too bad they didn't test slower drives, that was what I hoped for. These results are not surprising at all.

Not just that… they tested only loading times.

They need to test gameplay parts that stress the SSD.

That is what most is here cares.

 

[YCoCg]

Do you understand what "loading into" means? Going through a portal is not the same thing as loading a save from the main menu.

They mentioned it's roughly the same, did you really need to be shown them loading a game when the portal shift sequence stresses the game more?

 

[ethomaz]

Very uninformative video. No comparison of loading into a proper PS5 game (Plague Tale is a patched PS4 game), and no test of how under-speced drives perform (of course a 7GB/s drive is gonna fare well).

All the PS4 games loading a little faster with the Samsung drive is not surprising at all, since those games will not be using the new storage APIs and will therefore simply be helped by higher raw throughput.

This.

They forget to test gameplay too.

 

[RoadHazard]

They mentioned it's roughly the same, did you really need to be shown them loading a game when the portal shift sequence stresses the game more?

How do you know portals stress the game more in terms of loading? Loading into a save from the main menu is generally faster than going through a portal, but that's partly of course because the portal transition takes longer than it actually needs to in order to look good.

I just don't think the portals are a very good test of raw loading, since that transition is doing a bunch of other stuff in real-time that might be slowing it down more than loading the data does. We don't know if the SSD or the CPU or something else is the limiting factor there. Loading a save is a more pure test of how quickly loading happens, because you just get a 1-2s black screen and then you're in the game.