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[Tickle My Tendies]

The title is actually "what's up with PS5 visuals?" but I changed it since the Hitman 3 analysis title wasn't popular.

Next-gen support lands for The Division 2. Its latest update 1.21 lets PS5, Xbox Series X and S all run at 60fps, though there are some curious side-effects on Sony's latest machine. Even compared to PS4 Pro it's bizarrely missing screen-space reflections and volumetric fog. Tom and Alex dissect the update to talk on the state of the game on all platforms.

Summary incoming:

- Game is running in BC mode, or as Tom calls it "BC+ mode"
- Notable downgrades to PS5 version compared to PS4 Pro, missing fog and other effects
- Series S targets 60fps/1080p (dynamic)
- Series X targets 60fps/4k, as high as native 4k, drops as low as 1800p
- PS5 reconstructs to 4k from a max resolution of 1890p, lowest res they counted was 1080p
- Series X takes lead with better BC enhancements
- Newer consoles have better texture pop-in
- Tom hopes the missing effects on PS5 is a bug that will be addressed, Alex surprised this patch even made it out the door in current state
- Black levels are crushed on PS5 version (around 8:20 mark)
- Reflections not working properly on PS5, flat out missing in some areas, Alex says it is definitely a bug that needs to be addressed
- PS5 holds 60 fps very well, Tom did notice one instance of screen tearing around the 12:15 mark that wasn't duplicated on Series X
- Series X holds 60 well but has more slight dips than PS5 probably due to higher settings
- PS5 version clearly not tapping into the increased I/O bandwidth

Sounds like a crappy patch. Hope it gets fixed

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EDIT

Framerate stats from VG Tech, who also counted the same resolutions as DF does and notes the same missing effects on PS5 version.

Platforms	PS5	Xbox Series X	Xbox Series S
Frame Amounts
Game Frames	20510	20468	20492
Video Frames	20510	20510	20510
Frame Tearing Statistics
Total Torn Frames	0	0	0
Lowest Torn Line	-	-	-
Frame Height	2160	2160	1080
Frame Time Statistics
Mean Frame Time	16.67ms	16.7ms	16.68ms
Median Frame Time	16.67ms	16.67ms	16.67ms
Maximum Frame Time	16.67ms	33.33ms	33.33ms
Minimum Frame Time	16.67ms	16.67ms	16.67ms
95th Percentile Frame Time	16.67ms	16.67ms	16.67ms
99th Percentile Frame Time	16.67ms	16.67ms	16.67ms
Frame Rate Statistics
Mean Frame Rate	60fps	59.88fps	59.95fps
Median Frame Rate	60fps	60fps	60fps
Maximum Frame Rate	60fps	60fps	60fps
Minimum Frame Rate	60fps	50fps	57fps
5th Percentile Frame Rate	60fps	60fps	60fps
1st Percentile Frame Rate	60fps	57fps	59fps
Frame Time Counts
16.67ms	20510 (100%)	20426 (99.79%)	20474 (99.91%)
33.33ms	0 (0%)	42 (0.21%)	18 (0.09%)
Other
Dropped Frames	0	0	0
Runt Frames	0	0	0
Runt Frame Thresholds	20 rows	20 rows	20 rows

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EDIT 2

Ubisoft said that they are aware of issues on PS5

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From Ubi forum:

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EDIT Feb 23

DF analyzed the updated patch on PS5 today



Division 2 Updated:
- SSR and Volumetric fog are back after the initial upgrade broke them, now these are on same level as Series X
- Load times are similar to before. In original update PS5 loaded in 16 seconds, in this patch PS5 loads in 15 seconds. Series X loads in about 6 seconds
- PS5 renders at 1080p (lowest) to 1800p (highest)
- PS5 still has framerate advantage over Series X, albeit at lower resolution (on average)
- He had an issue with screen tearing and FPS dips to 40s in one fight, but restarting the PS5 fixed it

 

[jezhumphrey75]

here we go again...20 pages?

 

[Brute]

I've never played this. Just bought it for £7 in Xbox sale. Gonna finish Division 1 first and then play this with a friend on Series X.

 

[Max_Po]

This is really weird, in my opinion for both ps5 and xbox.

Fucking busted ass next gen patches....

 

[DonJuanSchlong]

NeoGAF will be getting so much ad revenue from another DF thread. Warriors incoming, brace yourselves!

 

[GametimeUK]

Another one?

 

[Stuart360]

here we go again...20 pages?

Yep another 20 pages incoming, even though most of the forum hates Ubisoft games apparently.
Its really starting to get tedious on here.

 

[Brute]

Yep another 20 pages incoming, even though most of the forum hates Ubisoft games apparently.
Its really starting to get tedious on here.

Can't you just ignore a thread you have no interest in? Like, I'm never going to play Genshin Impact - have no desire to. So I won't open the thread.

 

[saintjules]

 

[skit_data]

Wow, they managed to make the game way worse graphically with the update. Impressive amount of incompetence.

 

[AgentP]

Ya, BC mode is not a PS5 game. Half hearted solution.

 

[DJ12]

Even sane xbox fans know where the problem lies.

 

[Sir Vilhelm]

here we go again...20 pages?

Only if this was done in photomode

 

[MilkyJoe]

Did they loose the PlayStation tools?

 

[waquzy]

DF and their stupid subtitles yet again, how come last time you didn't put something like: " But What's Up with XSX Stutter?" Oh yeah, that's because you like riding on MS.

 

[skit_data]

Did they loose the PlayStation tools?

Seems like they popped the hood, emptied the tool box onto the engine and called it a day.

 

[JimboJones]

Did they loose the PlayStation tools?

No no, nothing as silly as that, they got one of those big novelty cheques from MS.

 

[Tickle My Tendies]

here we go again...20 pages?

Yep another 20 pages incoming, even though most of the forum hates Ubisoft games apparently.
Its really starting to get tedious on here.

Are we supposed to not create threads for new analysis? If I hadn't posted it, someone else would have shortly anyway. I am not sure what I did wrong.

 

[Andodalf]

Series S with better settings than PS5 here. Must be a bug!

 

[DeepEnigma]

Are we supposed to not create threads for new analysis? If I hadn't posted it, someone else would have shortly anyway. I am not sure what I did wrong.

You did nothing wrong.

 

[mhirano]

 

[Negotiator101]

Series S with better settings than PS5 here. Must be a bug!

Or something else entirely

 

[StreetsofBeige]

On the plus side, PS5 loading times are faster than One X.

 

[M1chl]

Best engineered box are at it again

 

[keraj37]

I really start not to regret buying xsx over ps5...

 

[Low Moral Fibre]

Save your ammo for the next Control video lads - clearly broken patch.

 

[rsouzadk]

 

[Negotiator101]

On the plus side, PS5 loading times are faster than One X.

Dat SSD baby!

 

[Traxtech]

I don't understand why if a game is buggy on ps5 they speak quite ill of it, yet if xbox has the same issue with another game it's instantly classed as a bug or they sugar coat it with vrr talk and they tend to contact the developer or whatever.

 

[vpance]

I thought Massive had good Playstation tools. Guess they lost em.

 

[The Hamburglar]

What’s there to discuss? Xbox bc is better, we all know this.

Using a game in bc mode as barometer for next generation consoles is pointless as they’re aren’t coded for them and aren’t being fully used.

Shit patch too.

 

[Zathalus]

The title is actually "what's up with PS5 visuals?" but I changed it since the Hitman 3 analysis title wasn't popular.

This is actually the funniest take away from all of this.

 

[Bergoglio]

 

[Riky]

Wow, PS5 version looks like an utter mess, goes all the way down to 1080p with all that stuff missing, embarrassing.

 

[Alebrije]

Its Ubisoft ...they do the basic ...but on PS5 they reached new lows..

 

[Negotiator101]

I don't understand why if a game is buggy on ps5 they speak quite ill of it, yet if xbox has the same issue with another game it's instantly classed as a bug or they sugar coat it with vrr talk and they tend to contact the developer or whatever.

Well I don't understand why you are making things up but you are. They more than likely have told the developer of the problems, Alex said it shouldn't have been released on PS5 because its a rush job.

 

[Loxus]

I don't understand why if a game is buggy on ps5 they speak quite ill of it, yet if xbox has the same issue with another game it's instantly classed as a bug or they sugar coat it with vrr talk and they tend to contact the developer or whatever.

And people say DF aren't bias.

 

[TheDude108]

Wow, PS5 version looks like an utter mess, goes all the way down to 1080p with all that stuff missing, embarrassing.

You're right, it is embarrassing for Ubisoft.

 

[Traxtech]

Well I don't understand why you are making things up but you are. They more than likely have told the developer of the problems, Alex said it shouldn't have been released on PS5 because its a rush job.

I'm talking about how they go about talking about the situation and advertising their videos.

 

[martino]

One side or another the gloating is sad...
BC makes it not that interesting too imo.

 

[Zathalus]

I don't understand why if a game is buggy on ps5 they speak quite ill of it, yet if xbox has the same issue with another game it's instantly classed as a bug or they sugar coat it with vrr talk and they tend to contact the developer or whatever.

And people say DF aren't bias.

Did either of you watch the video? The only mention this is a bug like 3 or 4 times. They even outright state that the PS5 is capable of so much more.

 

[Null Persp]

another 20 pages incoming

 

[Traxtech]

Did either of you watch the video? The only mention this is a bug like 3 or 4 times. They even outright state that the PS5 is capable of so much more.

Again, it's how they advertise it.

 

[The Hamburglar]

I really start not to regret buying xsx over ps5...

Why to play last gen games that MIGHT get a patch. Jesus Christ.

The only comparisons that matter are next gen games or versions that have their own sku.

 

[Negotiator101]

I'm talking about how they go about talking about the situation and advertising their videos.

It creates more interest in their videos and channel, see what it's doing here? Their analysis though is the least biased, I don't think they favour one over the other.

 

[Zathalus]

Again, it's how they advertise it.

How do they advertise it? The language "But What's Up With PS5 Visuals?" obviously imply something is wrong, aka a bug. As they mention over and over again in the video.

 

[THEAP99]

If this isn't a next-gen version but rather just backwards compatibility patches then why is this even worth discussing?

 

[Kuranghi]

Please say this black crush/gamma issues trend we are seeing on PS5 versions of PS4 games (Seen in Control:UE and now this) isn't just some stupid mismatch of HDR being on in the PS5 settings and off in the game when they test it. It sounds stupid

I don't think so just yet since this game actually has HDR, unlike Control:UE, but HDR seems to lead to the biggest amount of dev-confusion I've seen with a graphics "effect" so far. Control looks like it should in SDR mode, when you enable HDR in the system settings the big bright lights in the game are brighter but without no extra detail in them and the shadows are elevated in cutscenes especially. If you want the same bright lights but keep the proper shadow levels just max out the backlight/brightness on your TV and leave the PS5 in SDR (Depending on your TV this might look like shit so ymmv).

Why the hell can't Sony just have a checkbox to detect whether any game you run is outputting SDR or HDR and disable the HDR system setting if its outputting SDR. Its not like the game needs to be restarted when you do that anyway, it can be done while its running.

 

[The Hamburglar]

Wow, PS5 version looks like an utter mess, goes all the way down to 1080p with all that stuff missing, embarrassing.

The only thing that’s embarrassing besides Ubisofts effort here are your takes and posts.

 

[Zathalus]

I really start not to regret buying xsx over ps5...

What? Why? PS5 gets you games you can't get on the X and the difference in most games so far have been minor, with most wins going to the PS5.

Just get both if you can, then you can get the exclusives for both platforms (unless you have a strong PC then don't bother with the Xbox).