DF: Zelda BOTW & TOTK (Nintendo Switch 2) Review

They were doing that with the GameCube and it sold like shit when compared to the PS2. Family-friendly stuff like the Wii and NDS is what gave them the boost they needed, plus the quirkness of those systems ended up giving us tons of original games to play instead of the usual derivative stuff.
They did poorly with the GC over 20 years (which was written on the wall before the system was even released. who is dumb enough to use those mini discs? Nintendo was drunk). Is the future of the brand permanently stock 1-2 generations behind competition because of what has happened over two decades ago? That makes no sense. The family friendly stuff is mostly games. Nobody is saying that they should stop making those, and switch to nothing but M rated titles. What they're making now can easily be done on a ps5 style of a system, and if they kept visuals as simply as they are, their titles would be running at 120fps/4k. Who would be complaining about that? Japan is the only place i see Switch's portability still being viable when it comes to sales, but i don't believe for a second people care about it outside of Japan.
 
It does, and the problem with accounting for it when putting it into the equation is that we don't actually know how much of an overhead it has, might be minimum and unnoticeable or might take like 10%, we don't know, that's why I said these versions only help us estimate the minimum and not the exact power advantage.

I mean yeah it's definitely a problem comparing Switch 1 emulation because we don't know the overhead. I just didn't know any NS2 edition game was using the technique.

This is a really big shortcut for a 80 dollar ass game/paid patch. It's not even running natively. Some 2 "edition". lol
 
I mean yeah it's definitely a problem comparing Switch 1 emulation because we don't know the overhead. I just didn't know any NS2 edition game was using the technique.

This is a really big shortcut for a 80 dollar ass game/paid patch. It's not even running natively. Some 2 "edition". lol
Well, I don't care how much effort it took from them as long as I'm getting what I want. Also I didn't buy it, I'm playing it through NSO+EP.
 
Well, I don't care how much effort it took from them as long as I'm getting what I want. Also I didn't buy it, I'm playing it through NSO+EP.

Just saying it's easier to be apologetic of paid patches when more effort was put into the patch. The closer it gets to running a Steam game with sliders moved, the more offensive it gets.

Plenty of N games got free patches that are neither tied to a NSO edition, upgrade or sub. It appears like the decision is made on a more opportunistic basis than anything else.
 
A tech analysis on two of the greatest games ever made and you maniacs have to go to war.

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Looks like the NDS is a hell of a drug… Always the same people in every single Switch 2 thread 🤣
 
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Just want to play at 4k and >=60fps

Guess that's asking too much for a 8 year old game
I can't recall my Deck Oled playing any games at 4k. I completed GTA V on it, a 12 year old 360 game, and it ran at like 800p 40fps with low settings from memory. Same for Sea of Thieves, a 7 year old game.

Maybe temper your own expectations for handheld hardware.
 
Just saying it's easier to be apologetic of paid patches when more effort was put into the patch. The closer it gets to running a Steam game with sliders moved, the more offensive it gets.

Plenty of N games got free patches that are neither tied to a NSO edition, upgrade or sub. It appears like the decision is made on a more opportunistic basis than anything else.
Again, I don't get offended or whatever, if it meets my requirements I'll buy it, if not I'll save there money as I'm doing with Mario Party Jamboree TV. I actually want them not to change a single thing and just do an IQ and frame rate bump.
 
Imagine if Nintendo never began pleasing grannies demand back in 06 with the Wii, and continued to deliver best possible visuals and frame rate instead. You wouldn't be needing to wait two whole generations of consoles to play botw at an acceptable performance. All of this for portability. Talk about creating your systems for people who don't play video games, the ones that don't even understand what frame rate is, instead of delivering the best possible products to those who made them what they're now. The worst part is that their direction is being defended, so i guess the next Zelda that comes out, will be playable at a decent performance on the Switch 4.

They would have gone bust. So there would have been no Nintendo games.
 
Tbh this still doesn't match what you can do with PC and emulation for these games. That said, I know that is usually a complicated endeavour for a lot of non-PC folks, so I am glad there is an official version of the games that allow better IQ and frame rate, even if I personally don't get as much out of that myself

How much does a rig cost to do the better than Switch 2 style stuff?
 
More like pointing out that you have zero sense of self awareness to realize what you're doing. But hey, you gotta push that "cant find a Switch 2 so i cope with my PC" rage someplace, so you do you cupcake.
you may not care about it, but this is a tech thread about how better BOTW and TOTK looks on better hardware, i was just pointing out that emulation provides better tech tools to play certain games, but if you want a echo chamber saying "OMG, DF is so great, Switch 2 is amazing" i can do it for you.

also i m not derailing anything, i m just responding to ppl quoting me
 
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you may not care about it, but this is a tech thread about how better BOTW and TOTK looks on better hardware, i was just pointing out that emulation provides better tech tools to play certain games, but if you want a echo chamber saying "OMG, DF is so great, Switch 2 is amazing" i can do it for you.

Actually no....the thread title and video that's in it is about how the games perform on Switch 2

DF: Zelda BOTW & TOTK (Nintendo Switch 2) Review


Looks like you need glasses too in addition to a Switch 2
 
And the thread police strikes again.

It would be super easy to just ignore Lokaum D+ Lokaum D+ post but nah, let's seethe about some dude emulating Zelda post after post after post.
 
They would have gone bust. So there would have been no Nintendo games.
Why? This is exactly what they were delivering with the nes/snes, but after the GC, we're supposed to believe that Nintendo would've died if they didn't focus on gimmicks? I don't get this reasoning. All they have to make sure is to get all the third party on board, and if they keep releasing their standard 10M+ game sales exclusives, i simply don't see how a non gimmicks focused system by Nintendo would fail.
 
Why? This is exactly what they were delivering with the nes/snes, but after the GC, we're supposed to believe that Nintendo would've died if they didn't focus on gimmicks? I don't get this reasoning. All they have to make sure is to get all the third party on board, and if they keep releasing their standard 10M+ game sales exclusives, i simply don't see how a non gimmicks focused system by Nintendo would fail.
it wouldn't, the problem is Nintendo anti piracy solution always using some expensive or low capacity media to fight piracy, on GC was their mini DVD approach that hindered third party support, if GC used standard DVD it would be another story, after that their focus changed to gimmicks and low specs hardware.
 
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it wouldn't, the problem is Nintendo anti piracy solution, on GC was their mini DVD approach that hindered third party support, if GC used standard DVD it would be another story.
Those tiny discs was for piracy reasons?😅I never even thought of that. And then people are telling me that they stopped making proper systems was because of the GC failure. wow.
 
Those tiny discs was for piracy reasons?😅I never even thought of that. And then people are telling me that they stopped making proper systems was because of the GC failure. wow.
The GameCube employed several anti-piracy measures to protect its games. These included a unique disc format with a specific BCA (Burst Cutting Area) and six unique marks, a specialized optical drive that read these features, and potentially other checks during gameplay. These measures aimed to make it difficult to create functional copies of GameCube games.

Here's a more detailed look:
  • Unique Disc Format:
    The GameCube used mini-DVDs, which had a unique BCA and six specific marks burned onto the disc.

  • Optical Drive Checks:
    The GameCube's optical drive was designed to verify these marks during disc loading. If the marks were not present or were in the wrong location, the game would not load.


  • Software Protections:
    In addition to the hardware-based measures, developers also implemented software-based anti-piracy measures, such as checking for modified save files or triggering freezes or glitches when certain conditions were met.


  • Action Replay & Modification:
    The Action Replay device for the GameCube, which allowed users to input cheat codes, also served as a way to bypass some of the disc-based anti-piracy measures by creating a custom BCA.
 
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And the thread police strikes again.

It would be super easy to just ignore Lokaum D+ Lokaum D+ post but nah, let's seethe about some dude emulating Zelda post after post after post.
I think it's valid to compare against emulation since it's still not a clear win situation and each ways have their advantages, but the guy is just too annoying driving people off topic, he would also leave it at it but nope, let's derail because he doesn't get enough attention at home or something
 
I think it's valid to compare against emulation since it's still not a clear win situation and each ways have their advantages, but the guy is just too annoying driving people off topic, he would also leave it at it but nope, let's derail because he doesn't get enough attention at home or something
If you think he's derailing, report and move on. Imo the people quoting him trying to tell what to do are as guilty of derailing the thread as much as him.

Nothing against you but I've seen other people policing threads as of late trying to mute discussion around certain topics concerning Nintendo, and I think that should be on the mods and no the users.
 
If you think he's derailing, report and move on. Imo the people quoting him trying to tell what to do are as guilty of derailing the thread as much as him.

Nothing against you but I've seen other people policing threads as of late trying to mute discussion around certain topics concerning Nintendo, and I think that should be on the mods and no the users.
And agree with you, that's why I stopped at a point and didn't responded back, just gave my opinion and moved on
 
I am glad to read this. It feels relevant to me.

I have hated BotW since I played it. I managed the first few hours and once they gave me a tablet, told me my weapons break, made me worry about stamina while climbing, ditched dungeons for shrines, and then had me using some type of telekinesis to Minecraft my way over or around something, I was immediately put off. Ocarina of Time has been my favorite Zelda game and BotW was not honoring that. It went off in a direction that I did not want. It wasn't broken so there was no need to fix it. Those are just my opinions of course. An online buddy of mine devours all things Zelda and he loved BotW, yet he always agreed that my dislikes were valid.

I have since lamented the game and wanted to go back. Switch 2 has convinced me to try it. No, I will not like shrines. No, I will not like stamina climbing. I'll have to get used to Master Sword charges, I suppose. I still want nothing to do with the telekinesis crap. But something about that world calls to me so I owe it to myself to give it one more chance with the enhanced technical . (And for the record, TotK is always going to be a hard nope for me. That is an immutable personal truth haha.) I hope I can return here with the same new love of the game as you did. Perhaps I will still not care for it but maybe learn to appreciate it. We shall see, I suppose!

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ItsGreat ItsGreat You left a LOL emoji on my post. I am a bit confused by it. What did I say that was funny? I don't recall making a joke in my post...
 
Why? This is exactly what they were delivering with the nes/snes, but after the GC, we're supposed to believe that Nintendo would've died if they didn't focus on gimmicks? I don't get this reasoning. All they have to make sure is to get all the third party on board, and if they keep releasing their standard 10M+ game sales exclusives, i simply don't see how a non gimmicks focused system by Nintendo would fail.

I think the costs of moving into HD assets would have knobbled their output even more than working on the 3D environments of Zelda and Sunshine did on the GC.

We'd have an ended up with even more 'unfinished' games like Zelda and Sunshine as well - or a workflow that would lead to longer game droughts.

Remember - they had Retro and Sega do the donkey work on F-Zero and Metroid.

There was also their handhelds to develop for as well.

Taping two GCs together was a great option after the N64 and the GC slowdown due to competition from Sony.
 
I think the costs of moving into HD assets would have knobbled their output even more than working on the 3D environments of Zelda and Sunshine did on the GC.

We'd have an ended up with even more 'unfinished' games like Zelda and Sunshine as well - or a workflow that would lead to longer game droughts.

Remember - they had Retro and Sega do the donkey work on F-Zero and Metroid.

There was also their handhelds to develop for as well.

Taping two GCs together was a great option after the N64 and the GC slowdown due to competition from Sony.
You know how people say that Nintendo doesn't need photo realistic visuals? If they wanted to, they could've kept delivering simple looking assets, but everything runs at 120fps and 1440p-4k. That would be so good, especially when your competition was running most everything at 17-30fps (last gen). I also don't believe for a second that a massively successful multi billion dollars company was so afraid of hd assets. When you think of it, it makes no sense. Nintendo ain't some basement company with 3 devs working for it.
 
They did poorly with the GC over 20 years (which was written on the wall before the system was even released. who is dumb enough to use those mini discs? Nintendo was drunk). Is the future of the brand permanently stock 1-2 generations behind competition because of what has happened over two decades ago? That makes no sense. The family friendly stuff is mostly games. Nobody is saying that they should stop making those, and switch to nothing but M rated titles. What they're making now can easily be done on a ps5 style of a system, and if they kept visuals as simply as they are, their titles would be running at 120fps/4k. Who would be complaining about that? Japan is the only place i see Switch's portability still being viable when it comes to sales, but i don't believe for a second people care about it outside of Japan.
That makes no sense tho against the backdrop of 150+mn Switch sales. And overall success of their handhelds compared to their consoles. Their best selling console only beats out their worst selling handheld.

There isn't room for a 3rd PS5 type of system either. MSFT is barely hanging on as the #2.

Mini-discs were used for more responsive loading times. SAme reason they used carts in the N64.

and FYI, NIntendo makes their stuff for Japan first. And then tries to sell it elsewhere. As a rule of thumb. Hence a lot of people in US not understanding their mentality/decisions.
 
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nah, i m fine, false accusations and xenophobia makes me crazy, but its all fine now,

also i ll prob get a SW2 this holiday but this doesn't mean i ll stop to criticize Nintendo
Don't take anything personal here, we are here for the love of the hobby and fun. For me, i practice my English grammar too 🤣.
 
Weren't there rumors 2 years ago about BOTW being a 4k port? Are you telling me the Switch 2 cannot make a 10+ (orignally WiiU) game 4k? So underpowered.
 
From observation for BOTW the emu version does look more crisp and can run at a higher frame rate. But, stuttering or some hitching is more pervasive than it running on Switch 2. In my opinion, although not at crisp etc the Switch 2 version prevails presently.
 
That makes no sense tho against the backdrop of 150+mn Switch sales. And overall success of their handhelds compared to their consoles. Their best selling console only beats out their worst selling handheld.

There isn't room for a 3rd PS5 type of system either. MSFT is barely hanging on as the #2.

Mini-discs were used for more responsive loading times. SAme reason they used carts in the N64.

and FYI, NIntendo makes their stuff for Japan first. And then tries to sell it elsewhere. As a rule of thumb. Hence a lot of people in US not understanding their mentality/decisions.
The Switch was the gold mine. They were the first into the handheld market, and that was huge. The Switch 2, even though it has sold a ton, will never be able to keep up, because it's not that "special" thing anymore. Instead, it's a portable system that most people use docked (outside of Japan), and you get poor performance out of it because of its mobile specs.

There's plenty of room. Not to mention that we can pretty much erase the Xbox at this point, they're not offering anything. For example, let's say that you don't own any systems atm. You're searching for one, and the Switch 2, instead of being this weak mobile system, is more in line with the PS5. This Switch 2 has access to all third party games, has a proper online infrastructure and offers the same, or better visuals than the standard ps5. The same system will also have access to Nintendo exclusives, games you can't play anywhere else. Knowing how fuckedup current Sony is, and how much of a shitshow MS has been, why won't you get the Switch 2 right at this moment? You have mario kart, new DK and what would be an amazing looking Metroid 4 if built for ps5-like specs coming very soon. There's literally no reason why you wouldn't buy a powerful Switch 2, even as your primary system. Instead, Nintendo and their systems are permanently stuck as a side bitch, and will never be able to be the primary system of anyone that takes their hobby remotely seriously.

If that's the reasoning for mini discs, then they were drunk. Not only was the loading long like on every other system at that time, they messed up their console with those discs.

I don't believe for a second that a multi billion dollars company cares about a region. They might, and most likely do care more about Japan than CaliSony, if most sales are in NA, $$$$$ is all that matters.
 
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The Switch was the gold mine. They were the first into the handheld market, and that was huge. The Switch 2, even though it has sold a ton, will never be able to keep up, because it's not that "special" thing anymore. Instead, it's a portable system that most people use docked (outside of Japan), and you get poor performance out of it because of its mobile specs.

There's plenty of room. Not to mention that we can pretty much erase the Xbox at this point, they're not offering anything. For example, let's say that you don't own any systems atm. You're searching for one, and the Switch 2, instead of being this weak mobile system, is more in line with the PS5. This Switch 2 has access to all third party games, has a proper online infrastructure and offers the same, or better visuals than the standard ps5. The same system will also have access to Nintendo exclusives, games you can't play anywhere else. Knowing how fuckedup current Sony is, and how much of a shitshow MS has been, why won't you get the Switch 2 right at this moment? You have mario kart, new DK and what would be an amazing looking Metroid 4 if built for ps5-like specs coming very soon. There's literally no reason why you wouldn't buy a powerful Switch 2, even as your primary system. Instead, Nintendo and their systems are permanently stuck as a side bitch, and will never be able to be the primary system of anyone that takes their hobby remotely seriously.

If that's the reasoning for mini discs, then they were drunk. Not only was the loading long like on every other system at that time, they messed up their console with those discs.

I don't believe for a second that a multi billion dollars company cares about a region. They might, and most likely do care more about Japan than CaliSony, if most sales are in NA, $$$$$ is all that matters.
What makes Nintendo console especial is their exclusives games. Switch 2 is going to be massive.
 
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