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[tr1p1ex]

From what year is this graph? Outside of Japan, there's zero chance this is how the Switch 2 is being used in 2025.

Denial is the first step.

 

[LordOcidax]

Denial is the first step.

Their source: Trust me bro…

 

[Topher]

You have a point, on the other hand, as i always say, nobody forced nintendo to come out with a crappy tablet in 2025 that can't guarantee 4k60 with ps3 level graphic (and i'm being gentle, u3 or kz2 probably murder vanilla zelda)

If people can criticize series s for existing, sw2 doesn't get a free pass for having such shitty performance on a 80 euros remake of a 8 years old game.

I just finished Botw a couple of weeks ago. I wouldn't give it a pass if it looked and played like shit, but it looks and plays great. Even on my 55" OLED. If it looks like a 4K game then should we really care if it peaks at 1440p?

For me, personally, this is exactly what I wanted from Switch 2. It solves the problems I had with Switch 1 that led me to ditch the thing.

 

[tr1p1ex]

Tbf ppl do care about it, thats why a lot of ppl feels that BOTW and TOTK feels better experiences now.

Give me a time machine and I will play every PS5 game on the PS6 instead.

And they will all be better experiences.

And while i'm in my time machine I will pick up an rtx9080 gpu for $3k so I can better experience pc games of today.

 

[GymWolf]

I just finished Botw a couple of weeks ago. I wouldn't give it a pass if it looked and played like shit, but it looks and plays great. Even on my 55" OLED. If it looks like a 4K game then should we really care if it peaks at 1440p?

For me, personally, this is exactly what I wanted from Switch 2. It solves the problems I had with Switch 1 that led me to ditch the thing.

I mean i can still enjoy watching vandamme bloodsport at 480p on my pc and my nostalgia doesn't make me even notice the low res but i don't consider that optimal or great.

I bought a pricey pc to not play anything below 4k when i have the choice, so yeah, playing in 1440p with 15 years old graphical fidelity is something i'm gonna notice and bash.

Different priorities i guess.

P.s. of course playing at mostly stable 60 with higher res than 720p is much better, it's the bare minimum for a remake to look and feel better, that was never the point.

 

[Lokaum D+]

Give me a time machine and I will play every PS5 game on the PS6 instead.

And they will all be better experiences.

And while i'm in my time machine I will pick up an rtx9080 gpu for $3k so I can better experience pc games of today.

The difference is that while playing TLOU 2 or GOW on PS5 ll give you a better experience its not a "transformative" one.

Its not that hard to admit that BOTW and TOTK on Switch 2 is a night and day experience, i dont understand why you guys are so defensive about this.

 

[tr1p1ex]

The difference is that while playing TLOU 2 or GOW on PS5 ll give you a better experience its not a "transformative" one.

Its not that hard to admit that BOTW and TOTK on Switch 2 is a night and day experience, i dont understand why you guys are so defensive about this.

Oh that clears it up. One is "transformative" because I say so. And the other isn't because I say so. And you're defensive in one case while I'm not in the other. Got it.

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

The difference is that while playing TLOU 2 or GOW on PS5 ll give you a better experience its not a "transformative" one.

Its not that hard to admit that BOTW and TOTK on Switch 2 is a night and day experience, i dont understand why you guys are so defensive about this.

Just yesterday you were minimizing these upgrades on Switch 2 and waving around your PC boner. Pick a lane and stay in it.

 

[Kataploom]

Give me a time machine and I will play every PS5 game on the PS6 instead.

And they will all be better experiences.

And while i'm in my time machine I will pick up an rtx9080 gpu for $3k so I can better experience pc games of today.

Hey, remember to take the driver with you as well.

 

[Lokaum D+]

Oh that clears it up. One is "transformative" because I say so. And the other isn't because I say so. And you're defensive in one case while I'm not in the other. Got it.

So going from 1440p@30 (PS4) to 1440p@60 (PS5) is the same as going from 720p@25 (SW1) to 1440p@60 + better texture (SW2) ?

 

[Lokaum D+]

Just yesterday you were minimizing these upgrades on Switch 2 and waving around your PC boner. Pick a lane and stay in it.

I was not, i was talking about SW1 version vs emulation, i dont even know why i respond to you, lets not derail this thread again.

 

[Kataploom]

I mean i can still enjoy watching vandamme bloodsport at 480p on my pc and my nostalgia doesn't make me even notice the low res but i don't consider that optimal or great.

I bought a pricey pc to not play anything below 4k when i have the choice, so yeah, playing in 1440p with 15 years old graphical fidelity is something i'm gonna notice and bash.

Different priorities i guess.

P.s. of course playing at mostly stable 60 with higher res than 720p is much better, it's the bare minimum for a remake to look and feel better, that was never the point.

WTF? 1440p is the start of the diminishing return and on screens the perceptible quality falls off a cliff after that point, are you playing on a 120" TV or something? Nintendo and all other companies should use 1440p as a standard and stop going bellow it or above it unless they have a lot of power overhead.

 

[Lokaum D+]

WTF? 1440p is the start of the diminishing return and on screens the perceptible quality falls off a cliff after that point, are you playing on a 120" TV or something? Nintendo and all other companies should use 1440p as a standard and stop going bellow it or above it unless they have a lot of power overhead.

Agree that 1440p should be the standard on consoles, the pursuit of 4k was a mistake.

 

[GymWolf]

WTF? 1440p is the start of the diminishing return and on screens the perceptible quality falls off a cliff after that point, are you playing on a 120" TV or something? Nintendo and all other companies should use 1440p as a standard and stop going bellow it or above it unless they have a lot of power overhead.

Yeah i heard this narrative of 1440p looking almost like 4k in the past from people who can't achieve 4k in their systems, it was bullshit then, it is bullshit now, at least for me that i have perfect sight.

But good try.

P.s. console not being powerfull enough for native 4k is correct and also another thing entirely.

 

[tr1p1ex]

So going from 1440p@30 (PS4) to 1440p@60 (PS5) is the same as going from 720p@25 (SW1) to 1440p@60 + better texture (SW2) ?

Split your hairs. Count your pixels. And fudge the figures too.

 

[Lokaum D+]

Yeah i heard this narrative of 1440p looking almost like 4k in the past, it was bullshit then, it is bullshit now, at least for me that i have perfect sight.

Good try.

It doesnt but for consoles would be the perfect res until we have more Power to waste on resolution, this 4K pursuit is the reasson we have games upscaling from 900p like Wuchang.

 

[GymWolf]

So going from 1440p@30 (PS4) to 1440p@60 (PS5) is the same as going from 720p@25 (SW1) to 1440p@60 + better texture (SW2) ?

If you think about it, you are basically praising nintendo for being 1-2 gens behind so when they make remakes the difference is higher...

Still a praise i guess, not sure if one i would like to receive tho...

At the end of the day, you are still talking about a res\frame bump for both cases, one is more transformative because nintendo has lower visual\performance standards.

P.s. i edited my previous post to include what you say, i do agree that native 4k is a waste on underpowered hardwares, it deosn't chamge the fact that 4k is still noticeably sharper than 1440p.

 

[Baemono]

Agree that 1440p should be the standard on consoles, the pursuit of 4k was a mistake.

Looks better on the box

 

[Lokaum D+]

Looks better on the box

Sadly It does

 

[Topher]

I mean i can still enjoy watching vandamme bloodsport at 480p on my pc and my nostalgia doesn't make me even notice the low res but i don't consider that optimal or great.

I bought a pricey pc to not play anything below 4k when i have the choice, so yeah, playing in 1440p with 15 years old graphical fidelity is something i'm gonna notice and bash.

Different priorities i guess.

P.s. of course playing at mostly stable 60 with higher res than 720p is much better, it's the bare minimum for a remake to look and feel better, that was never the point.

This ain't a pricey PC my man. It's a $450 handheld. It isn't about priorities. It is about expectations. I'm getting what I expected from a $450 handheld. I think you'd have to see the game in person to appreciate it though. I honestly wish we had more games made like this.

 

[bender]

Switch 2 is a beast!

 

[GymWolf]

This ain't a pricey PC my man. It's a $450 handheld. It isn't about priorities. It is about expectations. I'm getting what I expected from a $450 handheld. I think you'd have to see the game in person to appreciate it though. I honestly wish we had more games made like this.

That last bit is confusing, do we switched from performance to how good the games are? Or we are still talking about how good the upgrade is?

First case i can understand even if i disagree, second case, sorry i'm still not gonna praise such a mid upgrade even if the games obviously feel better (dah, feeling\looking better is the only reason for a remake to even exist).

 

[Topher]

That last bit is confusing, do we switched from performance to how good the games are? Or we are still talking about how good the upgrade is?

First case i can understand even if i disagree, second case, sorry i'm still not gonna praise such a mid upgrade even if the games obviously feel better (dah, feeling\looking better is the only reason for a remake to even exist).

That last comment was about the visual style in general. The game looks fantastic even today, imo, even without all the whizbang modern tech (or maybe because it lacks it). No, that's not about how good the game is. Just how good it looks, especially now at 60fps.

You ain't gotta praise it obviously, but you are judging the upgrade solely by the number of pixels. That's where we don't see eye to eye, I guess.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

That last bit is confusing, do we switched from performance to how good the games are? Or we are still talking about how good the upgrade is?

First case i can understand even if i disagree, second case, sorry i'm still not gonna praise such a mid upgrade even if the games obviously feel better (dah, feeling\looking better is the only reason for a remake to even exist).

Nothing mid about it

The game looks incredible and is a vast improvement. Feels like I'm playing a different game

It feels and looks better and there are also some amazing QoL upgrades through Zelda Notes

I'm very happy with them

 

[BbMajor7th]

Pretty barebones upgrade. Less than you can ordinarily achieve with a PC graphics menu. Draw distance and shadows are a real bummer - they stood out for me more than the textures when I played these on the OG Switch.

Cheeky bit of DLSS would have freed up some headroom to tackle those issues, but they've really only scaled the existing code. Bit a cash grab, to be honest.

 

[Kataploom]

Yeah i heard this narrative of 1440p looking almost like 4k in the past from people who can't achieve 4k in their systems, it was bullshit then, it is bullshit now, at least for me that i have perfect sight.

But good try.

P.s. console not being powerfull enough for native 4k is correct and also another thing entirely.

I do play on 1440p up until 4K, what are you talking about? Most of the time in resolution in between. But whatever, just know that the fact that Switch 2 or any console don't prioritize 4K doesn't mean they're shit or whatever, barely anyone cares about full 4K as far as I know since IQ is good enough after 1440p

 

[Kataploom]

Pretty barebones upgrade. Less than you can ordinarily achieve with a PC graphics menu. Draw distance and shadows are a real bummer - they stood out for me more than the textures when I played these on the OG Switch.

Cheeky bit of DLSS would have freed up some headroom to tackle those issues, but they've really only scaled the existing code. Bit a cash grab, to be honest.

Of course anything on PC will surpass consoles version, but this is a case where it's not a clear winner, as the game have way higher res textures than what you can get by emulating Switch 1 version on PC so you would still miss that and, believe me, the newer textures are just as important as the improved resolution and frame rate for the Switch 2 version looking so good

 

[GymWolf]

That last comment was about the visual style in general. The game looks fantastic even today, imo, even without all the whizbang modern tech (or maybe because it lacks it). No, that's not about how good the game is. Just how good it looks, especially now at 60fps.

You ain't gotta praise it obviously, but you are judging the upgrade solely by the number of pixels. That's where we don't see eye to eye, I guess.

Then we agree to disagree on this one.

if we remain into cartoony graphic with vivid colors, i find the 20 men made biomutant much more pleasant to the eyes (even if the art design is super mid) and cell shading characters in other games are way more detailed than zelda so i really don't have much to praise other than the physics.

But we are going a bit off topic i guess

 

[GymWolf]

I do play on 1440p up until 4K, what are you talking about? Most of the time in resolution in between. But whatever, just know that the fact that Switch 2 or any console don't prioritize 4K doesn't mean they're shit or whatever, barely anyone cares about full 4K as far as I know since IQ is good enough after 1440p

I already said multiple times that weak hardwares should not aim for native 4k, that's why we have upscaling, and switch 2 has the best out of all of them.

That doesn't change the fact that 4k is noticeably better than 1440p, 2 things can both be true.

My problem with the zelda port, is that zelda graphic is ps3 level, not ps4 or ps5 level, so 4k60 is the bare minimum i expect from a remake in 2025.

 

[Topher]

Then we agree to disagree on this one.

if we remain into cartoony graphic with vivid colors, i find the 20 men made biomutant much more pleasant to the eyes (even if the art design is super mid) and cell shading characters in other games are way more detailed than zelda so i really don't have much to praise other than the physics.

But we are going a bit off topic i guess

Here are some shots I took of Zelda but really doesn't do the game justice

I will say that I wish they had improved the draw distance.

 

[GymWolf]

Here are some shots I took of Zelda but really doesn't do the game justice



I will say that I wish they had improved the draw distance.

I think the framerate is the real major improvement, bad ps3 textures are still gonna look bad even uprezzed at 8k, but tokt framerate crawl into the 20s when you have some ghosts with you or everytime you open superhands or in intense battle scenes where you use explosive barrels and arrows.

Are these still the causes for the game to go below 60?

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

I think the framerate is the real major improvement, tokt framerate crawl into the 20s when you have some ghosts with you or everytime you open superhands or in intense battle scenes where you use explosive barrels and arrows.

Are these still the causes for the game to go below 60?

I put about 30 hours in TOTK upgrade on switch 2 and it's been stable 60, even during boss battles and such

Honestly, it feels like they might've done less in order to keep it like that because it's damn stable

 

[Topher]

I think the framerate is the real major improvement, tokt framerate crawl into the 20s when you have some ghosts with you or everytime you open superhands or in intense battle scenes where you use explosive barrels and arrows.

Are these still the causes for the game to go below 60?

I don't recall the game dipping in frame rate very much really. As DF says, it is a very stable 60 fps.

 

[GymWolf]

I put about 30 hours in TOTK upgrade on switch 2 and it's been stable 60, even during boss battles and such

Honestly, it feels like they might've done less in order to keep it like that because it's damn stable

Boss battles weren't really the worst moment for me, having multiple ghost with you, opening superhand and explosions were the critical moments.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

Boss battles weren't really the worst moment for me, having multiple ghost with you, opening superhand and explosions were the critical moments.

I'm not sure what multiple ghost means but the super hand and explosions also stay stable at 60

Edit: are you talking about the companions? I have every companion and I have zero slowdown from them

 

[GymWolf]

I'm not sure what multiple ghost means but the super hand and explosions also stay stable at 60

Edit: are you talking about the companions? I have every companion and I have zero slowdown from them

The allies you unlock, birdie, redhead, fatso and fish prince of bel air.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Of course anything on PC will surpass consoles version, but this is a case where it's not a clear winner, as the game have way higher res textures than what you can get by emulating Switch 1 version on PC so you would still miss that and, believe me, the newer textures are just as important as the improved resolution and frame rate for the Switch 2 version looking so good

Better textures blurred by low resolutions is not a winner, plus all the enhancements the PC emulator provides by mods.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

The allies you unlock, birdie, redhead, fatso and fish prince of bel air.

you get a 5th and even with all 5 I don't have slowdown

Boss battles were bad for me on switch because they involve boss AND super hand AND explosions

On switch 1 fighting a gleeok while using super hand and explosions would destroy frame rate

It's a stable 60 for me now

 

[GymWolf]

you get a 5th and even with all 5 I don't have slowdown

Boss battles were bad for me on switch because they involve boss AND super hand AND explosions

On switch 1 fighting a gleeok while using super hand and explosions would destroy frame rate

It's a stable 60 for me now

the fifth was the robot right?

I barely used that one.

 

[Kataploom]

Better textures blurred by low resolutions is not a winner, plus all the enhancements the PC emulator provides by mods.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Now put in a 4k or 8k screen and see that happens, genius.

 

[Kataploom]

Now put in a 4k or 8k screen and see that happens, genius.

Looks amazing and that was, alongside frame rate, what stood out the most when I played it the first time on my Switch 2, specially since the game has no TAA of any kind so it's just pure raw pixels on my TV (I never play portable) at rock solid locked 60 fps.

Really, you won't get this on an emulator, and keep the mods, I don't like to ruin artists creation with that reshade abomination, thanks.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

Now put in a 4k or 8k screen and see that happens, genius.

Bro cmon lol

It looks great on 4k.

Why are you guys so adamant on convincing us that we shouldn't like it? It's so bizarre

 

[rodrigolfp]

Looks amazing and that was, alongside frame rate, what stood out the most when I played it the first time on my Switch 2, specially since the game has no TAA of any kind so it's just pure raw pixels on my TV (I never play portable) at rock solid locked 60 fps.

Really, you won't get this on an emulator, and keep the mods, I don't like to ruin artists creation with that reshade abomination, thanks.

It looks great on 4k.

Looks great/amazing 1440p with crap AA on a 4k or 8k screen, jure Jan. Time to trow in the trash our 4k/8k screens because 1440p gives the ultimate resolution and IQ.

Plus ironic and funny that the new textures ruined the original artistic creation too, by your logic.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

Looks great/amazing 1440p with crap AA on a 4k or 8k screen, jure Jan. Time to trow in the trash our 4k/8k screens because 1440p gives the ultimate resolution and IQ.

Do you think we are lying about this? I'm legit curious what your angle is

 

[rodrigolfp]

Do you think we are lying about this? I'm legit curious what your angle is

Lying? Not really. Have bad vision or low standards? yes. If not what is the point of better resolutions if 1440p looks amazing/great? Is 4k+ a lie??

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

Lying? Not really. Have bad vision or low standards? yes. If not what is the point of better resolutions if 1440p looks amazing/great? Is 4k+ a lie??

I'm going to give you pass because I know your country has a horrible education system. So yes, let's just say we have low standards and you are correct

 

[rodrigolfp]

I'm going to give you pass because I know your country has a horrible education system. So yes, let's just say we have low standards and you are correct

At least my education system thought me better than yours that 2160+>1440.

 

[Kataploom]

Lying? Not really. Have bad vision or low standards? yes. If not what is the point of better resolutions if 1440p looks amazing/great? Is 4k+ a lie??

Basically, barely any... You're almost there buddy, just a little more and you'll realize why people don't care so much about 4K, keep going

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

At least my education system thought me better than yours that 2160+>1440.

Brother, just because 8k is better than 4k doesn't mean 4k can't be great

You are choosing to adopt such a weird point of view. That's like saying having sex with a supermodel isn't great because hotter women exist.