Diablo 3 Beta [Beta withdrawal underway!]
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red731 said:
Have they actually said that they will add pvp arena? I can't find anything :>
On another note. Skill swapping only in towns
Bashiok said:
MrKnives said:
Ask Yochi about it, I was surprised too about this. Don't know anything more.
And skill swap only in town? So my melee witch doctor who changed to ranged mid battle and then to another build against other enemies other times won't be possible.
I think that people will at least learn to play with one build...
And they will be forcing people to TP when new skill opens and go to artisan or buy something in town.
edit: on a second note, I think this is mainly because of the PvP.
red731 said:
No it's mainly PvE at least from what they have said/talked they don't even mention PvP.
To be honest I don't know how I like that. In a way it's good you can't change skills every second for every enemy in battle but this doesn't really change much. You can still change them between every battle if you want, just tp back to town. It's more of a nuisance than helpful because it doesnt change the fundamental problem with current skill swapping. They made it so every spell is useful so they should just run with it.
The fix seems more like a bandaid rather than a proper fix.
If they don't want people switching skills all the time they should come up with something else.
Corky said:
I don't really mind that, really. I just don't like their "only in town" solution. Feels awkward.
I like that you are not punished that badly for going one spell over another so I kinda see it being good for picking the 6 spells you want and then just sticking with them.
But for people who wants to use different spell in different location it will be a pain to constantly have to tp back to town (it's even free now) so it doesn't really stop them doing so, just makes it more annoying.
And for people who like to stick with their spells won't really have any drawback from it. It just doesn't feel like it's helping anything.
I guess it could be for the few reasons mentioned above.
MrKnives said:
This was added recently no?
But you have to agree with them, a system where you can switch skills on the fly like *snap* that isn't really feasible.
In any other game I'd agree that it would be slightly displeasing to have to go back to your main town/hub/etc to do changes to your character. But in d3 the town is merely seconds away, even still that's enough of a barrier for the players to try to keep to "one" specific skill setup even if it's only for a short amount of time.
Have they talked about somekind of cooldown system for switching skills?
Fallout-NL
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MrKnives said:
Yeah, those are pretty damn significant changes and if they're still not sure about those, this game is a long fucking way from being finished if you ask me.
Corky said:
They have talked about a cooldown but that's just one thing on their list to try I guess.
On the switching thing yea I do kinda agree but the town thing does kinda sound like a half-assed solution. Maybe it will grow on me. I almost would prefer somekind of a penalty for it, not sure what kinda though. You have to find special stones to be able to switch? Only 1 change in specific timeframe? Those also kinda sound awkward.
I really do not have any idea what would be a good solution so in Blizzard I trust, I guess.
Fallout-NL said:
Well the game isn't out for at least 4-5 months so they have plenty of time. Also I doubt it's hard to implement, it's pretty much just putting restrictions in place.
Zapperkhan said:
Before I enrage on this whole post, just let me say that I disagree. This is Diablo 3 now, whether you like it or not. The majority of those who are in LOVe it. Also, clicking on a skill and now you learned it is different than learning a skill on a levelup because...why? It is not different fundamentally. Both is a fantasy game device, not a believable improvement of a real-life fighter.
Anyways. I love that "faster clickers" (more greedy teammates) are not able to pick up all the loot. It is the equivalent of people in WoW looting while we are fighting, and that is not only pathetic, but makes the party less effective. I cant enjoy fighting a huge pack knowing that the teammates will jump on the shinies even if it means we wipe on the pack. Greedy, selfish. Not something that a party should be about
I can understand having a problem with only 6 active abilities (I think that's a fantastic idea, but i understand why someone can think that's limiting), but below that? Who cares how many skill you can equip at level 12, really? That's leveling stuff, it's ment to slowly learn players that can be not familiar with this game, but what really matters is the max level builds.
That's definitely the reason, to kill changing abilities mid-combat. They could make it castable, like with changing specs in wow is now, that would have been much better.Kosma said:
As far as drops go D3 is way better than D2. As a player who had a slow connection I didn't get shit from D2 bosses, I barely even saw the drop. Though one thing I might miss is being able to scavenge games. Especially in exp runs people left items that could be good for crafting, socketing, weaker sets, uniques, rares that could be upgraded etc. I suppose they could do a hybrid system where some drops are public and some aren't. That would keep some tension but all unique/champion/bosses would at least drop something per player. I don't know that that would still allow for scavenging since salvaging would likely make players grab everything. But with salvaging I constantly think of the mass piles of loot left in the River of Flame and how this would have put that to good use.
Somnid said:
Maybe flag loot so it only shows up for you for a minute, but if you don't pick it up within that time everyone can see it?
I really doubt there will be much trash loot available for scavenging anyway, due to the crafting mechanic. Everyone will need mats, so even if it's not a great item, you will pick it up and disenchant if it is a rare or above so you can get the higher level mats.
AZRandom_guy
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Ahh, okay - gotcha. I'll try that with a fresh character over the next couple days and report back. I hadn't played D2 in a while, forgot it worked like that!Artadius said:
MrKnives said:
Inner Sanctuary just prevents movement into an area. Serenity is immunity and the default duration is 3 seconds.
Skill switching only in 'town' is a good idea. There's no valid gameplay reason to allow switching while you're out in the hostile part of the world. It lessens the value of tactical decisions and eliminates the benefits of progressive enemy design; certainly someone really looking to minmax can still go back to town between packs of enemies but the goal is to make the time cost not worth the combat advantages of tailoring your skill/rune choices to specific enemy types within a region/dungeon.
Fastest clicker gets loot is an awful mechanic for building a positive cooperative community in random games. Anyone who thinks this feature is a benefit either played entirely with people they know or likes griefing and is an asshole so their opinion is irrelevant anyway.
Limiting skill slots really improves the ability to design challenging content. It wasn't that long ago that they switched it from 7 to 6, and looking at all the skills now it's clear that 7 lets you always get everything but 6 forces you to make some tough decisions for all the classes.
Barbarian and Wizard still have a few too many samey abilities though; it's clear the best and most intricate design went into the other three classes. Archon in particular feels completely out of place and strikes me as really forced. Also not a fan of the pet for the monk class, another stopgap type skill.
FieryBalrog
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Game flow. You level up in the wilds, get a new ability, and you can immediately play with it. It's a much better pacing especially since they've drastically cut down the old D2 umbilical need for town because you can vendor items from the field. This is especially important at low levels when you constantly want to try the new skill you just got.erragal said:
What makes much more sense is a cast time, say about 5 seconds. You can't really change skills then in any real combat situation. Also, skills should only resolve cooldown when active. So if you swap out Diamond Skin it stays frozen on cooldown. At least this would be a good solution in my eyes.
maabus1999
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Did Bashiok really say "they have no idea how they are going to implement unattuned runestones yet?" Seriously? Did I read that link to his post wrong?
April 2012 at the earliest with everything else they are going to have to look at (e.g. items)
April 2012 at the earliest with everything else they are going to have to look at (e.g. items)
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Don't underestimate the power of Diablo in Europe!KKRT00 said:
SC = Korea
WoW = US
Diablo = EU
FACT. Diablo is the "mom"-game in Europe. Lots and lots of moms I know plays Diablo, while moms play WoW in US.
FieryBalrog
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This fucking company. Ugh.maabus1999 said:Did Bashiok really say "they have no idea how they are going to implement unattuned runestones yet?" Seriously? Did I read that link to his post wrong?
April 2012 at the earliest with everything else they are going to have to look at (e.g. items)
FieryBalrog said:
Mechanically it only impedes game flow if you have to go back to town to learn new abilities. When you're unlocking your first six abilities and you hit a new tier they can still allow you to fill the empty ability slot with a new skill; this eliminates any leveling pacing problems in the first portion of the game but keeps people from hotswapping between fights easily.
A cast time on skill switching could work, but I don't really believe 5 seconds is much of a deterrent for a complete functionality swap. There's also a player perception issue; if you make it able to be done in the wild but really annoying to do people will do it but be really irritated by it. If you restrict the feature to a different location there's an intuitive understanding from the player that there's an actual opportunity cost for switching up your build.
That said, it's a challenging feature to get perfect. Giving people the freedom to customize is brilliant, but as a designer they also need some limitations or it becomes impossible to design tactical encounters and differentiate ability functions. I personally lean toward the more restrictive swapping...maybe even add a cooldown timer for Inferno to add some weight to your build choices.
Agree with you entirely on cooldowns; circumvent people swapping between long cooldown skills before it becomes an issue.
If normal is going to be as easy as they say then let the hot swapping happen until you get into nightmare difficulty or level 31 when you don't have any more skills to learn and then put a cool down on each skill slot so you can swap out multiples at one time to try out different builds but might have to wait 10-15 minutes to try another build.
It is going to be interesting to see how they ultimately decide to handle it.
It is going to be interesting to see how they ultimately decide to handle it.
Fallout-NL
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MrKnives said:
Yeah, easy to implement, but a fundamental part of the skill system (which is the core of the game). For me it's quite a disconcerting thing to be unsure about at this point in the development.
V_Arnold said:My feeling of getting lost by not getting into either Path of Exile beta or Diablo 3 beta is only slightly diminshed by the fact that I will get my review copy of Dark Souls in two days.
I hate you for that. And not even a potential D3 release this very day would quench my hatred...
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
EU got many invites these 2-3 days now!Danj said:Shame Blizzard don't seem inclined to give EU people beta invites
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