heavenly strength needs to be baseline with no movement penalty and replaced with a buff to 1 handers that lowers wrath costs and increases damage to balance them with two handers. similar to how rogue skills work in wow when using daggers vs other 1 handers. i honestly don't have much of a problem with wrath because i use blessed hammer and have reaper wraps(amazing, perma full wrath), but i shudder at the thought of using any skill besides hammer.
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Meanwhile, I shudder at the thought of using any skill besides Heavenly Fury. I'd rather just dump my Wrath super fast and be done with it. But I also have ~30% IAS so Slash isn't all that bad at getting me back to where I need to be.
with no +% heavens fury damage i don't hit hard enough with the skill to feel it an effective use of wrath. i was only critting for around 18 mil with it, where my hammers crit for around 5.5 mil, at a quarter of the wrath cost. i guess in the long run it doesn't technically matter because i can still 1 shot non gimmick elite packs on t2-3, and maximus solos bosses anyways, so i'll just ride that wave until they decide to change our skills up some. depending on how the patch changes our skills around, i've been building a heavens fury set to replace condemn, but who knows what they'll change at this point.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Ashodin-1707/hero/44101707
Speaking of upgrades and such, I got a Leoric's with some damn fine rolls tonight, as well as 2 piece Asheara's, so I have dat sexy +100 AR. My neck is probably NEVER getting replaced.
I think the only weapon upgrade I can hope for at this point is Fate of the Fell, which will triple dat HF damage. Either that or Blade of Prophecy.
Speaking of upgrades and such, I got a Leoric's with some damn fine rolls tonight, as well as 2 piece Asheara's, so I have dat sexy +100 AR. My neck is probably NEVER getting replaced.
I think the only weapon upgrade I can hope for at this point is Fate of the Fell, which will triple dat HF damage. Either that or Blade of Prophecy.
Arrogant Bastard
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Never, ever going to happen. They want the class to use shields, 1h/shield or 2h/shield. You can fight the battle, but you aren't going to get a buff for not using a shield.
I was more remarking at the fact we use the complete opposite in cost Wrath dumps :x
I'm basically just going for generic upgrades until I see the changes.
Personally (/biased-ly), I think most our good skills are fine as is so I hope that Condemn / Heaven's Fury avoid being toned down and instead things are focused more on what we actually need fixes to: Wrath Generation, all the bad spenders, multiple passives that do nothing, Elemental diversity, and 2H itemization is rather boring.
"Just."
And I will continue to fight the good fight!!
The main reason people are going with fires of heaven is because everything else is so damn shitty. Make Fist of Heaven, Shield Bash (I love Shield Bash, too bad it's terrible) and Sweep Attack worth it to go with. Then you can bring down HF+FOH dmg a bit and I could stomach it.
Blizzard will probably slightly nerf Condemn and Fires of Heaven to normalize them with other skills which will be mostly buffed. At the moment, Fires of Heaven does monstrous damage. If you have Fate of the Fell, it's simply ridiculous, and adding extra wrath generation on top of that would make it the obvious best choice (it already is, anyway).
I hope Blizzard does what they did with Wizards when they retuned them recently. Instead of nerfing the builds that 95% used (CMWW or stupidly OP archon), they nerfed it and then have everyone a shit ton of good options to go with as an alternative
Though I expect in the mean time they'll just balance the numbers. I want to do a Punish/Shield Bash build, personally, ditching Pride's Fall for Helm of Rule. But at the moment I don't see any reason to do anything but HF+FOH with some wrath generating cool downs.
Blizzard will probably slightly nerf Condemn and Fires of Heaven to normalize them with other skills which will be mostly buffed. At the moment, Fires of Heaven does monstrous damage. If you have Fate of the Fell, it's simply ridiculous, and adding extra wrath generation on top of that would make it the obvious best choice (it already is, anyway).
I hope Blizzard does what they did with Wizards when they retuned them recently. Instead of nerfing the builds that 95% used (CMWW or stupidly OP archon), they nerfed it and then have everyone a shit ton of good options to go with as an alternative
Though I expect in the mean time they'll just balance the numbers. I want to do a Punish/Shield Bash build, personally, ditching Pride's Fall for Helm of Rule. But at the moment I don't see any reason to do anything but HF+FOH with some wrath generating cool downs.
toastyToast
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After a bit of split farming in normal I found these two weapons for my monk
I'm 680k with unity up and 730 with Transgression. Off of 2 items! I was 460k on the last page. Maaaan, this game is crazy.
Also got a Scourge with a socket which i can enchant to strength for my crusader. All in all 'twas a good day
I'm 680k with unity up and 730 with Transgression. Off of 2 items! I was 460k on the last page. Maaaan, this game is crazy.
Also got a Scourge with a socket which i can enchant to strength for my crusader. All in all 'twas a good day
N
Noray
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Sweep Attack really isn't bad, but then I get a lot of mileage out of +fire damage. Here's my 'sader: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Noray-2106/hero/38675576
Also I'd really advise against using Shield Bash. I like how it feels and everything, but I've desynced by Jailors too many damn times. If you use shield bash while Jailed you'll have to quit out, basically, it's very frustrating.
Right now, I'm desperately farming for Ring of Royal Grandeur so I can have BT's and Aughild's 3-piece bonus, though I'm working on also replacing my bracers with Aughild's but the damn mats won't drop anymore, drop rates feel much lower than before. After that, going for Coven's Criterion, aka the only true shield in the game, and I will be UNSTOPPABLE.
Also on the lookout for an Andariel's and a Maximus to truly maximize (hah) my fire damage. I like this build, the quadruple wombo combo wipes out elite packs instantly, and for everything else, Sweep Attack is real cheap and does good damage thanks to Cindercoat/magefist.
Also I'd really advise against using Shield Bash. I like how it feels and everything, but I've desynced by Jailors too many damn times. If you use shield bash while Jailed you'll have to quit out, basically, it's very frustrating.
Right now, I'm desperately farming for Ring of Royal Grandeur so I can have BT's and Aughild's 3-piece bonus, though I'm working on also replacing my bracers with Aughild's but the damn mats won't drop anymore, drop rates feel much lower than before. After that, going for Coven's Criterion, aka the only true shield in the game, and I will be UNSTOPPABLE.
Also on the lookout for an Andariel's and a Maximus to truly maximize (hah) my fire damage. I like this build, the quadruple wombo combo wipes out elite packs instantly, and for everything else, Sweep Attack is real cheap and does good damage thanks to Cindercoat/magefist.
jackpottest
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So I found these pretty yummy Magefist earlier. I'm a cold wizard.
If I choose to enchant the +fire%, will crit damage be one of the potential options? Or do I need to enchant the LoH.
Oh man, that Won Khim Lau, so want.
toastyToast
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So I found these pretty yummy Magefist earlier. I'm a cold wizard.
If I choose to enchant the +fire%, will crit damage be one of the potential options? Or do I need to enchant the LoH.
For the love of god don't take off the fire damage off the Magefist. Not sure if you can, but if you're presented the option DON'T! It'll be a rare with a bit more int at that point.
Roll the loh off and stash it away in case you ever want to do a fire build. That's one of the big components.
Angelus Errare
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So I found these pretty yummy Magefist earlier. I'm a cold wizard.
If I choose to enchant the +fire%, will crit damage be one of the potential options? Or do I need to enchant the LoH.
go to the mystic and click the question mark next to the stats, it'll show you reroll options. Rolling the fire off magefist is like rolling your main stat off a weapon...no one does that mang! Pls roll the LoH. D:
jim2point0
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If I actually found a decent magefist, I'd consider switching from charge blast magic missile to the fire piercing magic missile. With mirrorball there's no sense using anything else. Not sure what other fire spells I'd use though.
jackpottest
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Was actually tossing up this option
It would definitely be far more powerful on a fire wiz after rerolling the LoH. I might do this. Still an upgrade for my cold wiz either way, tooThanks didn't know about that option. And don't worry, gonna roll the LoH
jackpottest
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And first enchanting attempt on the LoH? 49 crit damage. Thanks, I'll take that!
BWJinxing
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Im looking into where i went wrong. Im hitting 835k paper DPS with 21 million toughness in game as a crusader, I can just now start Soloing T2.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BWJinxing-1978/hero/44336173
yet people with much lower DPS are throwing hammers with 5mil crits and some guy was throwing blessed shields for 10m a pop.
My hammers hit at half that as does blessed shield, am i really that behind on CD, i have roughly 400%.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BWJinxing-1978/hero/44336173
yet people with much lower DPS are throwing hammers with 5mil crits and some guy was throwing blessed shields for 10m a pop.
My hammers hit at half that as does blessed shield, am i really that behind on CD, i have roughly 400%.
You can't reroll the % fire damage on Magefist, it is an implicit affix.
Got my first set piece today, I'm not sure if it's good, though after seeing the stats my excitement died down, especially because it didn't have any int on it so I changed vit to int.
A tip. In the future for that character: reroll armor into int instead. That way you could have both int and vit on the same item. Mainstat (Int, Str, Dex) + Vit is much more preferable than mainstat + armor.
ItAintEasy
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The game literally won't let you go full retard. Casul game confirmed.
SixMachine
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You should get damage from elemental % and Skill%. It really boosts the damage. For example I have rof and cold damage on my gear for my wizard http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/sixmachine-1693/hero/41333589. It's easy to figure out on wizard since everything is some element and I haven't played with crusader that much, but if blessed shield is holy on it's tool tip then you should start stacking that element.
To segway into a different topic, I've been trying a ray of frost build even though I was running frost orb before. frost orb had more burst in the beginning but I'm liking this because I never need to stop channeling except when I need to drop a blackhole/mirror image or move. I think I like frost orb for trash better but this feels like it can handle bossing a bit better since there is no down time to regen ap. Gonna fool around with more variations later today since I basically just got light of grace a few hours ago.
Is it possible that since you spec'd your passives to be for blocking and armor, that those other guys have spec'd their passives to add 10% to holy damage and 20% to hammer damage? 30% difference is pretty significant just by choosing 2 passives towards hammers.
MegaKungFuRadio
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Got my third bottomless potion today. Might as well collect them all now, right?
Pretty much what I'm thinking, overall there are just too few viable options right now. Some serious number tweaking in the areas you guys listed should make things much better.
Not sure if FoH really needs a nerf, even considering FotF it's not like other classes don't have legs that push certain skills or builds to ridiculous levels. But I could see Blizz wanting to drop its damage a little, and as long as they don't overdo it I guess it'll still be alright.
I agree man, diablo 3 is really at it's prime right now, but it's weakest aspect are the lack of classes IMO. Yeah, I get that they wanted a tighter balance, but this is diablo, a loot grind co-op venture (not WoW arena)--I'm itching to play an Assassin, a Druid, a Necromancer, etc... Really the only class that appeals to my right now is Barb, I got no interest in anything else
.Really hope the next expansion focuses on classes.
I agree man, diablo 3 is really at it's prime right now, but it's weakest aspect are the lack of classes IMO. Yeah, I get that they wanted a tighter balance, but this is diablo, a loot grind co-op venture (not WoW arena)--I'm itching to play an Assassin, a Druid, a Necromancer, etc... Really the only class that appeals to my right now is Barb, I got no interest in anything else
Really hope the next expansion focuses on classes.
That's crazy. The classes we have in D3 are far far more fleshed out than what we got in D2.
I agree wholeheartedly, but I'd like to see the diversity of D2 come back now that D3 has been out for years. I understand sticking to 4 classes at launch for tighter balance and greater depth, but I think years later it's prime time to start adding more classes (more than one).
Sanctuary
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Good to see others are finally waking up to how shitty the Crusader really is. I couldn't believe the comment another Gaffer said about how their Crusader was doing the majority of the damage in their group. Yeah, blowing up elites every 45s really counts as "the majority" right?
Anyway, is anyone else having ridiculously bad luck with drops? Sure, they "upped" the legendary drop rate. Yet, 75% of what my Wizard sees are two-handed swords, maces and axes. I've yet to get an upgrade over the last five days, and my main hand weapon is one that my Crusader randomly lucked out on for his first and only lvl 70 drop.
Also, does anyone else feel like a lot of the bounties that require you to kill a specific amount of enemies intentionally had their density nerfed? I swear to god it's like there's 1-3 enemies...then nothing, nothing, nothing, 1-2 enemies, nothing etc. Yet go to the Fields of Misery and when you don't need to kill enemies, there's swarms of them. Even in Adventure Mode the density is still garbage compared to what it once was, and is too similar to the console.
I've been waiting...and waiting for a Mirrorball. In fact, I've been waiting for anything. My gear is actually pretty good, and I'm sitting at 1.2 mill buffed (+40% Arcane Orb) without Glass Cannon, but almost all of it was crafted.
Sanctuary
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Yeah, gotta love all of those life enhancing stats on an item that prevents death...
Trickster
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No to mention the fact that it has intelligence on a templar relic, he needs strength ffs :/
Sanctuary
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I'd say it's your class interferring, but I can't say that I've ever gotten a Templar relic with Int on it as a Wizard. But all of the relics were rares...so, uh smart loot goes into overdrive on legendaries regardless of what they are?
I rate it 1/10 on the "random loot being random" scale, and I will shake my head in disbelief every time someone uses this picture as something that should prove that the smartloot system is bad.
This is the item roll sheet:
Yeah, you wanted the best version instantly, the one without defensive stats. You did not get it. So what? Also, you can always reroll the int to its mainstat (not to mention that the devs already know about this issue, a fix is coming.)
Thanks a lot. Will reroll everything considering that.
I was saving the imperial gems for better equipment I get later on. I feel this one is still a small stopgap since it's mostly random Rares I picked up other than the Helmet and the Rings
Sanctuary
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Grossly exaggerate and fanboy much?
Fanboy much? Yeah, that is a logical explanation. Either that or a loot system is broken because a templar relic with 5 random properties rolled the usual rolls....
Got 2 legendary drops recently. Both need to be removed or have some interesting affixes added. I mean look at them:
"Broken Crown"... yes, it´s broken alright. Maybe it was a joke from blizz, don´t know.
I guess I should not complain too much as I have gotten some decent/interesting legendaries and other upgrades from time to time. I am at 670k dps and I still don´t feel like I am close to what I could get, as none of my items are close to perfect or what I really want.(pretty happy with Andy helmet though).
Needs better belt drop, as I still haven´t replaced my lvl 60 witching hour. I haven´t seen any belt drops with good stats either.
"Broken Crown"... yes, it´s broken alright. Maybe it was a joke from blizz, don´t know.
I guess I should not complain too much as I have gotten some decent/interesting legendaries and other upgrades from time to time. I am at 670k dps and I still don´t feel like I am close to what I could get, as none of my items are close to perfect or what I really want.(pretty happy with Andy helmet though).
Needs better belt drop, as I still haven´t replaced my lvl 60 witching hour. I haven´t seen any belt drops with good stats either.
Broken crown can be awesome by the way. Helmets do not roll with attack speed normally.
ChoklitCow
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This would all be valid if it weren't for:
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/12373697412
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/10271907111
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/12373027339
What I wrote: "not to mention that the devs already know about this issue, a fix is coming"
Smart loot does not mean that you will get good loot *all the time*. Even fixed, I would still expect bad items most of the time. Part of the genre.
In the holy grail of ARPG's, Path of Exile, you literally walk in shit. Rooms full of shitty, absolutely useless white/blue/rare items. You swim in shit. You dig for diamonds in shit. (6l, good ilvl, etc.)
I see, maybe it´s good for other builds. But I still say all legendaries should have a unique affix as well that makes it interesting.
ChoklitCow
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Yeah, I accidentally quoted you instead of who I was trying to.
xDUMPWEEDx
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RNG can be brutal. There is no point in crying about it, it's working as intended (except for the follower main stat bug that is being fixed).
I just don't get it. There's been dozens of posts in this thread about loot and the Diablo Bnet forums has countless posts/threads as well. Just because your friends/clan members have gotten great loot doesn't mean you will. RNG is RNG. Understanding this concept doesn't mean you are a fanboy, it means you have common sense.
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