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Diablo III: Reaper of Souls |OT| Once again! The Sound of HAMMERS is GLORIOUS!
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Teasing_Pink
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I always assumed those were bone walls summoned by Jondar.
Lé Blade Runner
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Can't wait to play with ze Hammers!
The Omega Man
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Make them clan members trade-able, and only to members of the clan before the loot dropped to avoid exploits
This really is the best solution but no one will answer from Blizzard.
That looks like Outland
They already did. It wouldn't make any difference if they said anything else. People aren't posting looking for info, they're trying to sway opinions. People were making a lot of money from D3 and would love to have that back. Here's what I consider the ultimate BoA thread, with a blue post explaining their position. The whole community got together and tried to come up with something better, considering Blizzard's goals.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/11224842889?page=9#173
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There are some big problems with clan trade (or friends list trade), even if they used timestamps to limit it to people who were on the lists at the time the items dropped.
- people would sell membership to "bot clans", hiring 100 or so bots to farm for you and give the client anything good
- something good drops. 50 people want it. How do you decide who gets it? "Hey, I'll paypal you 10 bucks".
- pressure to fill up clans with randoms to maximize the trade opportunities
- ignoring the third party stuff, increasing distribution from 4 max to 150 max means people are going to be gearing up and exhausting the content a lot more quickly, and they would need to lower the drop rates to compensate.
People raise these problems with the idea all the time. It just gets ignored and people make a few dozen new threads about it every day because they want people to be exposed to the ideas in an undisputed state.
Impeccable
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I can see and understand why it's BoA or wide-open and I fully support that decision.
They kill their own game's longevity by allowing people to circumvent the farming to get better gear. It is LITERALLY the same thing or worse than AH... it's worse because it becomes an exclusive right to be better rather than earned. As opposed to giving anyone the same chance.
They kill their own game's longevity by allowing people to circumvent the farming to get better gear. It is LITERALLY the same thing or worse than AH... it's worse because it becomes an exclusive right to be better rather than earned. As opposed to giving anyone the same chance.
I don't want BoA removed. These games are just better when you have to find your own shit. Its nice when you inspect some guy's gear and go 'Man that guy has found some good shit", and not "lol @ this guys credit card", or "must be nice to have a lot of clan mates".
Blizzard can do whatever they like, obviously. I would prefer it stay exactly how it is. I think 95% of the reason people complaining now about BoA is there is no blood shard system yet.
I agree with some of that, however, at the very least, I would like to be able to permanently trade with friends.
I have a core group of friends that I play with. Sometimes, we aren't online at the same time. We all have a main class we play. So if I get some awesome weapon for a monk and want to give it to my friend? I can't, and that sucks.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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HAH! HAH! HAH! HAH! HAH!
There is another alternative. They could add a primary stat option that would unbind items. That would mean the best items would still be BOA, but it would allow people a much easier path to get specific items if they really wanted them.
The Omega Man
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The minute a BOA is removed is the minute a new economy will emerge, problem is, these economy prices are made up from influential farmers and their "out of their asses" made up prices.
I've seen it on TF2, some things are worth more than other things "just because" for example someone will start trading his Blackthorne's Surcoat for 2 Inna's Chest, why? because he really doesn't need the Inna's but he thinks his shit is golden and your shit is shit. Then people will start asking for 2 Inna's chests for their Blackthorne's Surcoat and that how this fake economies go ass-backwards in days.
Dammed if you do Dammed if you don't, it's not an easy problem to fix.
Couchaddict
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I like BoA. Fuck trading, find your own stuff.
I'll be honest, I enjoyed trading in D2 and I enjoyed the AH in D3 to an extent, though RMAH was awful imo but I think I'd be preaching to the choir if I went on about that. I am also OK with the current state of BOA in D3 2.0 because it encourages you to play the game.
People who are used to trading for and buying their gear are going to whine. I want a kridershot! I want an SOJ! Blizzard's current answer is "PLAY THE GAME". And that's it. Instead of spending an hour searching the ebay simulator of an AH, or trading off random equipment, or being given items from generous clanmates, you have to actually play the game to get items.
Any other trading option mentioned eliminates the need to play the game.
Again, to everyone saying "fuck trading, find your own stuff", it's not that I'm wanting to sit in a trade channel looking for gear, because I don't.
But in this day and age, it's difficult to get all my friends online at the same time, so if someone can't make it, it really sucks that I can't give them a cool item i found.
But in this day and age, it's difficult to get all my friends online at the same time, so if someone can't make it, it really sucks that I can't give them a cool item i found.
This, word by word.
In essence, BoA is good for the game because it is bad for trading and trading is BAD for the game.
I wonder if a solution for that might involve- *You just picked this legendary up. For the next 2 hours you have the opportunity to send it to a person on your current friend list* caveat being that the friend list must remain constant from the time of that message and friend list max must be made to prevent everyone friending everyone in some sort of quasi item acquisition economy.
How would a great monk weapon drop for you if you are not playing a monk? Smartdrops and loot 2.0 make it very unlikely that you will get stuff that is legitimately good for a class you are not currently playing. Trading is nearly obsolete in this current system unless its trading between classes of the same type.
I'll chime on the BoA discussion as well. With the addition of clans, you can almost always be playing with someone that's not a complete "random." In just about every game I'm in, I'll offer up my legendaries before they get salvaged. There have been a few instances where I've actually given upgrades to people. That shit feels good, man.
I really wasn't a fan of the AH, but did use it out of what I felt was necessity to play at the higher levels. The only reason I'll miss it is not being able to sell my gems/crafting materials all the time.
I really wasn't a fan of the AH, but did use it out of what I felt was necessity to play at the higher levels. The only reason I'll miss it is not being able to sell my gems/crafting materials all the time.
Well said.
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The devs have said they're happy with BoA and it won't be going anywhere. They're deleting threads because at this point it's just spam.
Ladder seasons, my friend.
Who in this day and age has the patience and dedication to find six part sets themselves?
I don't remember this being a common complaint in previous or similar games.
Yea, totally killed Diablo 2. Path of Exile seems to be dying because of it too.
My thought, as a very casual player, is that I like the new BoA system.
Any type of 'limited' trading system (ie friends/clans) can and will be abused. Sure, I wish I could trade with my actual in game friends, but there is no way to make sure that it isn't abused.
Trading with coop partners is a decent compromise and is certainly better than nothing. Won't help if you and your friends like to solo farm.
Overall, I love the new system because I feel like I'm making my own progress, not buying it, even if it is slow.
See you all in RoS!
As a Hearthstone player who has yet to preorder RoS, HYPE!
Not a terrible idea, but still easily abuse-able. I like the thought a lot, though.
Any type of 'limited' trading system (ie friends/clans) can and will be abused. Sure, I wish I could trade with my actual in game friends, but there is no way to make sure that it isn't abused.
Trading with coop partners is a decent compromise and is certainly better than nothing. Won't help if you and your friends like to solo farm.
Overall, I love the new system because I feel like I'm making my own progress, not buying it, even if it is slow.
See you all in RoS!
As a Hearthstone player who has yet to preorder RoS, HYPE!
Not a terrible idea, but still easily abuse-able. I like the thought a lot, though.
How about allowing trade to "RealID" friends only? I absolutely hate this system and seeing my friends and family member's full names onscreen really annoys me to no end (and knowing they see mine) but this really seems like the tightest they can allow trading without blowing it open.
Just my 2 cents (though clan trading to some extent would be great).
Just my 2 cents (though clan trading to some extent would be great).
MyNameIsRye
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Does the expansion really only add 1 new skill per class? A little disappointed but that.
Kacho
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Hell yeah!
1 active with 5(?) runes and 3 passives i believe
The idea is to get to 70 through Act 1-4 then get Diablo's legendary and all if Act v's legendaries as a 70.But you'd have to be level 70
Yea, this is a lot. Also the fact that 2.0 revamped the entire skill system and RoS is giving us another 10 levels worth of skills.
Would be nice if they give a guaranteed drop on bosses when you're under 70 lol
Confused101
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My thoughts on returning to the game: Ah, it's good to work again.
My thoughts on Loot 2.0: Pick it up, pick it up.
My thoughts on the Crusader: Hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer, SHIELD SMASH SHIELD SMASH.
My thoughts on Loot 2.0: Pick it up, pick it up.
My thoughts on the Crusader: Hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer, SHIELD SMASH SHIELD SMASH.
That won't work. The guaranteed legendaries for story mode bosses only happen for characters level 59 and under. However, it sounds like they're doing to make Malthael have a guaranteed first kill legendary up to level 70. (requires quest reset after that)
Woo, free stuff!
fluffydelusions
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So I'm guessing reviews don't hit until after servers go live next week? Not that I need reviews anyway but will be interesting to see what they say with all the changes.
Well...that's exactly the point. My friends and I have a character of every class basically. If i get a legendary source that isn't better than what I have for my wizard, why can't I give that to my friend who also has a wizard, has a terrible source, but just happens to not be online when I found what I found?
That's my gripe with this system.
Dont see how anyone could review it without playing it, you can read some beta reviews if you want a glimpse into the changes.
Dreams-Visions
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Perhaps so. A few more hoops to jump through to trade something might address the concern. Either way, the game currently rewards for playing it...and I think that's a good thing. Any additional changes need to work such that it doesn't fuck up what they've gotten right to this point.
Supid question, is there a difference between a normal card pack and an expert card pack?
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