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Diablo III: Reaper of Souls |OT| Once again! The Sound of HAMMERS is GLORIOUS!
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firehawk12
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Yeah, but because some people are getting into the high hundreds with Paragon levels, now that reward loop will be much slower for the average player.
I'm hoping the adventure mode and whatnot will living things up for a while. I tried to grind CotA and I just couldn't do it.Ladders won't be for everyone, just like having the drive and the motivation to powerlevel like crazy isn't something that everyone can do. Heck, I'm surprised to see that my level of motivation is high to a point where I'm going to do in 3 weeks what I wanted to accomplish 2 years ago ( get 100+ paragon levels and 3-4 characters to 60).
I must of played through the first act 20+ time in the last 2 weeks which is insane. I feel like I could keep going for months, but I need a break (which I'll take to fix the laptop and buy a video card for my PC so not playing the expansion at launch). Still, it's a good thing that nephalem rifts will be short (15-20 minutes) so the game can be rewarding in small dose since right now it's pretty much all or nothing with the exp boost which you should take advantage of. In retrospective, the exp nerf might be a good thing once we see the exp reward from bounties and rifts instead of having to do insane exp grind.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
HEY GIVE CREDZ WHERE CREDZ IS DUE MAN
My main men Yoshichan, Gegz and Naito IN DA HOUSE!!!!
Reward loop will be the same for the average player. You put in a couple hours a day on Torment 1, get a few Legendaries, get a few Paragon points and call it a day. It's when you do more than that is when you become more than an "average" player.
I think the run cycle in RoS will look something like this:
*Play some Bounties, complete all 5 for Rift.
*Play the Rift and finish it.
*Open up Horadric Cache, ID Legendaries.
*Gamble with the red shards.
*Maybe craft, upgrade gems or enchant gear.
*Gain Paragon points in the process.
Probably more interesting than whatever we are doing now.
I think the run cycle in RoS will look something like this:
*Play some Bounties, complete all 5 for Rift.
*Play the Rift and finish it.
*Open up Horadric Cache, ID Legendaries.
*Gamble with the red shards.
*Maybe craft, upgrade gems or enchant gear.
*Gain Paragon points in the process.
Probably more interesting than whatever we are doing now.
I need to read up more on the changes. I have no clue how adventure mode, bounties or rifts work.
That sounds infinitely more fun than having to listen to the same story dialogue over and over and over again.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
YO YO YOU'RE GOD DAMN RIGHT!
I'm hoping the adventure mode and whatnot will living things up for a while. I tried to grind CotA and I just couldn't do it.
Adventure mode should be more rewarding for average/casual players. If nothing else, just psychologically so you don't hear the same storyline dialogue over and over.
I'm going to do a CotA run now that you talk about it lol. I can tolerate an hour of that grind without going insane here and there.
The basic out line is this:
*Adventure Mode is a separate mode from Campaign mode where all way points are unlocked from all Acts so you can freely travel wherever (even between different Acts). There is no story, cutscene or dialogue in it.
*Bounties are randomized events/quests that have you going to various areas to complete the objective (they are usually simple stuff like kill a unique monster). I think there are 5 in each Act for a total of 25 per instance. You get rewards for completing each but you get a full Rift Keystone and Horadric Cache for completing them all. You also get Blood Shards for Bounties.
(I am not 100% sure on the reward structure as it changed so much over the course of the beta)
*Horadric Caches are just goody bags you click on in your inventory and a fountain of loot explodes.
*Rift Keystones allow you to open Nephalem Rift which is a completely randomized dungeon with a map at the end (think of it like a white map in PoE). You need 5 shards to complete one Keystone IIRC. I believe you get one Greater Horadric Cache for finishing a Rift but again I am not 100% sure.
*Blood Shards are a new form of currency used exclusively for gambling. You can go to the Gambler and gamble an unidentified item... which can be a Blue, Yellow or even a Legendary if you are lucky. You can instead save up your Shards for a Greater Horadric Cache which is like 5 Horadric Caches in one.
*Adventure Mode is a separate mode from Campaign mode where all way points are unlocked from all Acts so you can freely travel wherever (even between different Acts). There is no story, cutscene or dialogue in it.
*Bounties are randomized events/quests that have you going to various areas to complete the objective (they are usually simple stuff like kill a unique monster). I think there are 5 in each Act for a total of 25 per instance. You get rewards for completing each but you get a full Rift Keystone and Horadric Cache for completing them all. You also get Blood Shards for Bounties.
(I am not 100% sure on the reward structure as it changed so much over the course of the beta)
*Horadric Caches are just goody bags you click on in your inventory and a fountain of loot explodes.
*Rift Keystones allow you to open Nephalem Rift which is a completely randomized dungeon with a map at the end (think of it like a white map in PoE). You need 5 shards to complete one Keystone IIRC. I believe you get one Greater Horadric Cache for finishing a Rift but again I am not 100% sure.
*Blood Shards are a new form of currency used exclusively for gambling. You can go to the Gambler and gamble an unidentified item... which can be a Blue, Yellow or even a Legendary if you are lucky. You can instead save up your Shards for a Greater Horadric Cache which is like 5 Horadric Caches in one.
Adventure mode should be more rewarding for average/casual players. If nothing else, just psychologically so you don't hear the same storyline dialogue over and over.
I'm going to do a CotA run now that you talk about it lol. I can tolerate an hour of that grind without going insane here and there.
I don't mind replaying acts and grinding for loot but act 2 always seems the longest. Kind of of tired of all the khuul monologues you have to listen to.
shysaursoft
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If there's dialogue (with a box at the bottom), hitting esc cancels the entire talk. If someone is blabbing in general, spacebar usually skips through their talking.
I hardly hear anything these days, thanks to the skip cutscene option - except for the Enchantress flavours.
same, I like all but act 2. Act 2 jus drags forever.
Wickerbasket
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It drags on forever because it feels like it makes you do the same dungeon 5 times.
I seriously dread going through act 2.
this sounds amazing
These are the types of stories I like to hear. Welcome to the order of the lion, brother
fluffydelusions
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Ladders won't be for everyone, just like having the drive and the motivation to powerlevel like crazy isn't something that everyone can do. Heck, I'm surprised to see that my level of motivation is high to a point where I'm going to do in 3 weeks what I wanted to accomplish 2 years ago ( get 100+ paragon levels and 3-4 characters to 60).
I must of played through the first act 20+ time in the last 2 weeks which is insane. I feel like I could keep going for months, but I need a break (which I'll take to fix the laptop and buy a video card for my PC so not playing the expansion at launch). Still, it's a good thing that nephalem rifts will be short (15-20 minutes) so the game can be rewarding in small dose since right now it's pretty much all or nothing with the exp boost which you should take advantage of. In retrospective, the exp nerf might be a good thing once we see the exp reward from bounties and rifts instead of having to do insane exp grind.
Yep, to be honest imho they should have unlocked Adenture Mode right from the start, without the need to complete Campaign mode and just get rid of that 50%/100% XP bonus during this weekend. It would be more balanced in terms of game longevity and people already grinding like hell which may in turn burn them out quicker even before the expansion hits the servers. It was weird decision by Blizz, imho.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
missed opportunity. I got you though Yoshi
That was the point of my post! I don't do .gifs though!
fluffydelusions
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Hmmm I do recall a yoshi stuffed animal gif giving me a stare
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Sorry! I meant, I don't do non-yoshi.gifs
fluffydelusions
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Sorry! I meant, I don't do non-yoshi.gifs
Oh i see lol
Quick Mustard
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So, I've just hit 60 and Paragon 1 on my Wizard.
Whats best for me to start doing now to farm for Paragon levels?
Any particular difficulty or area etc?
And does anyone have any good Wizard builds?
Whats best for me to start doing now to farm for Paragon levels?
Any particular difficulty or area etc?
And does anyone have any good Wizard builds?
fluffydelusions
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I think everything has been nerfed at this point?
Conkerkid11
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CotA's still the most efficient though.
First quest where you go out and kill wretched mothers and up until you kills Dalton in the cellar is a good place to get some XP and with a fairly high chance of getting legendaries as well.
Every mother (there's 5-6 of them in that area) almost always drops an item. When it drops it's mostly a yellow, but I've gotten a couple of legendaries from them as well. Then on T2 and above there's almost always a named dude that is super easy to kill, he moves really slow so getting hit is almost impossible as a ranged.
You also have a few cellars with a big chance of chests and a goblin in the last one near the waypoint.
I'm paragon ~122 now and I get about 2 bars on one run that takes about 4 minutes on T2. I just kill all trash mobs that get in my way.
how the eff?
Conkerkid11
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I've personally been using the first build on this page: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/11883238634
My friend runs a fire build and he loves it.
Fire spectral blades + meteor + fire familiar + whatever other skills you want.
Oooo that sounds awesome. Do you know what other two skills he uses?
Explosive blast (short fuse) + Magic weapon (Ignite) + Energy armor (prismatic)
Conflagration, prodigy and blur for passives.
He basically just walks into a mob group, drops meteors, and then blows up.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
fluffydelusions
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salvage
I salvage, but only because I want a bunch of mats to craft gear for my Crusader while leveling.
50 levels now
More like 52 levels! All thanks to you guys. NICE
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
shysaursoft
Member
A quick band-aid to give people an extra carrot to chase, since the kvetching of "I hit max level now what so booored" got really out of hand at launch. It's not a perfect system, but it's better than nothing (better now since 2.0 too).
So I haven't played D3 in like 6 months and plan on getting back into it with the expansion. I have a couple of lvl 60 characters with pretty good legendary gear. Should I start over or go ahead and use the characters that I have? I feel that starting over will let me experience the 'new' D3 in full.
It's fine that we have to go through the campaign at east once since I see adventure mode as the ideal farming and grinding mode once you reach max level or want to level up alts quickly.
The bonus exp was mostly so gamers could level up a couple of character to level 60 and bring people back to the game (which worked).
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Wait, do you need to complete Act 5 in order to get adventure mode?
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