Did Sony commit the biggest act of digital theft in modern times?

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This thread isn't meant as a defense of the Russian government or as taking sides but rather to raise a question about Russian PlayStation accounts. I mean both accounts registered in Russia and those created elsewhere but use the Russian region

The situation feels very sensitive and worth discussing especially since many of these accounts have been active for years, Some users spent thousands of dollars on digital games only to find themselves locked out, What's striking is that Sony unlike other major gaming companies such as Nintendo, Microsoft, or Valve, took this extreme step, The others limited purchases of new games, and in the case of Microsoft and Valve, there were still alternative methods like redeeming digital codes or changing the account region

That means PlayStation users were the only group to have their accounts effectively stolen in broad daylight not because of any user fault but purely due to a political reason

This raises a serious question about the long term security of investing in the PlayStation digital ecosystem. From my perspective Sony has carried out one of the biggest acts of digital theft in recent years showing complete disregard for consumers and the money they've put into their accounts

 
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It's a very shitty situation and highlights how messed up Sony's PSN account restrictions are. Especially around regions.

The fact that you can move from North America to Europe and aren't allowed to change your region is insane in this day and age. And anything you do to get around their insane restrictions goes against their ToS and you get your account suspended like they're doing here.
 
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Didnt Nintendo closed WiiU and 3DS digital store and downloads? (i have both, btw, so it's not a troll deflection or something like that).
 
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The situation feels very sensitive and worth discussing
No, it does not. Russians circumvented Sony regulations and set up accounts for other countries to continue playing = broke terms of agreement.

Sony impressed me. Maybe because it is Russians.
 
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Nothing new from Sony. They already did something similar, deleting putchased movies and tv shows people paid for on PSN, dunno when.
 
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Didn't know this, So you can take your account with you across countries but have to buy a certain region when you get threre?
You have to create a brand new account in the new region. New email and everything. Good news is games you previously bought will still be playable. Bad news is DLCs are region locked. So if you buy a game in North America and move to Europe, you have to buy the DLC from North America PSN store.

It's an archaic setup. I think at this point - from their perspective - migrating accounts to a new system is more of a pain in the ass than they want to deal with.
 
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Didn't know this, So you can take your account with you across countries but have to buy a certain region when you get threre?
You can access your old account, but if you want to use a new payment method in your new country (which is usually the case) you need to create a new account and buy games in that account. Sony is the only one that does this, Steam, Nintendo, and Xbox allow you to change regions. It soured me on using PSN as I moved countries 3 years back.
 
Something you never owned can't be stolen from you.
But yeah this sucks, they could have blocked Russian accounts from making new purchases, but locking them out of games they had already "bought" sucks.

It's one of the main reasons I only buy digital games when on sale. Since you can't be certain you'll be able to access them in the future, I only buy games when they get to a price I feel comfortable paying to play through them once.

Didnt Nintendo closed WiiU and 3DS digital store and downloads? (i have both, btw, so it's not a troll deflection or something like that).

You can no longer buy digital games on WiiU or 3DS, but you can still redownload the games you had purchased. You can still download your digital games on the nearly 20 years old Wii too.
 
No, it does not. Russians circumvented Sony regulations and set up accounts for other countries to continue playing = broke terms of agreement.

Sony impressed me. Maybe because it is Russians.

So every Russian gamer should be excluded from a platform because of their governments actions??? I think it's bullshit tbh not every Russian citizen is Stalin.
 
So every Russian gamer should be excluded from a platform because of their governments actions??? I think it's bullshit tbh not every Russian citizen is Stalin.

Absolutely. Every good and service delivered to them should cease in its entirety and all assets that can be seized, should be seized. What is seized should be used as compensation to Russia's victims and if not, it should be destroyed but never returned.

If Russians don't like that state of affairs, they should take it up with Putin.

Their genocidal degeneracy is committing an endless number of war crimes and murders people daily, their inconveniences are trivial by comparison.
 
Absolutely. Every good and service delivered to them should cease in its entirety and all assets that can be seized, should be seized. What is seized should be used as compensation to Russia's victims and if not, it should be destroyed but never returned.

If Russians don't like that state of affairs, they should take it up with Putin.

Their genocidal degeneracy is committing an endless number of war crimes and murders people daily, their inconveniences are trivial by comparison.

Are you American? Because if you are you are a fucking hypocrite.
 
Are you American? Because if you are you are a fucking hypocrite.

Nope and this is not an issue of "both sides". Russia's actions are comparable to the Nazis or Imperial Japanese they take after.

I don't see why there should be any convenience to a Russia that actively trafficks children to destroy their heritage.

Nothing should be given or owed until they develop a humane civilization.
 
Absolutely. Every good and service delivered to them should cease in its entirety and all assets that can be seized, should be seized. What is seized should be used as compensation to Russia's victims and if not, it should be destroyed but never returned.

If Russians don't like that state of affairs, they should take it up with Putin.

Their genocidal degeneracy is committing an endless number of war crimes and murders people daily, their inconveniences are trivial by comparison.
Lets leave Russia's population out of that. I have yet to meet a single russian that wants this war to happen or even to keep going.
 
Lets leave Russia's population out of that. I have yet to meet a single russian that wants this war to happen or even to keep going.

Russia's population is subject to the decisions of their regime. If they aren't dying to change it then they should endure the consequences.

I mentioned the Imperial Japanese before, a force that once occupied and annexed my country in WW2.

Regardless of the inconvenience to each Imperial Japanese citizen, they justly endured every single consequence of their regime.
 
Yeah okay Robespierre, look there is not a single russian dumb enough to die to change the regime in order to play Borderlands 4.

Then they can sit around not owning or playing games, not having fuel for their cars, and wasting their one and only moment of existence in the futureless, dystopian depression that is Russia.

They are not entitled to be free from consequences.
 
Absolutely. Every good and service delivered to them should cease in its entirety and all assets that can be seized, should be seized. What is seized should be used as compensation to Russia's victims and if not, it should be destroyed but never returned.
If Russians don't like that state of affairs, they should take it up with Putin.
Their genocidal degeneracy is committing an endless number of war crimes and murders people daily, their inconveniences are trivial by comparison.
You are too political and emotional and trust media too much.

Russia's population is subject to the decisions of their regime. If they aren't dying to change it then they should endure the consequences.
It's just a stupid move by Sony if true and not linked to usual ban wave of shady accounts bought on stoled credit cards.
As for consequences - Russians will just go to torrent, it's a PC country. And Sony just lose that tiny market share it has.
 
Yeah this is my concern with digitally owned game license, the company can just one day decide to remove or restrict your access to it. With physical disc/cart it is harder to revoke my ownership
 
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Russia's population is subject to the decisions of their regime. If they aren't dying to change it then they should endure the consequences.

I mentioned the Imperial Japanese before, a force that once occupied and annexed my country in WW2.

Regardless of the inconvenience to each Imperial Japanese citizen, they justly endured every single consequence of their regime.
Do you realize that tens of thousands of Russians have gone to gulags for protesting the "special operetion"? Or that anyone who speaks out even remotely disappears?

Unfortunately with modern technology and police state, unless the army defects, citizens can't overthrow the government.

You are blaming 120+ mil people for actions of the governing elite.

It's the same as blaming most Chinese citizens for Xi's and CCP's actions.
 
Do you realize that tens of thousands of Russians have gone to gulags for protesting the "special operetion"? Or that anyone who speaks out even remotely disappears?

Unfortunately with modern technology and police state, unless the army defects, citizens can't overthrow the government.

You are blaming 120+ mil people for actions of the governing elite.

It's the same as blaming most Chinese citizens for Xi's and CCP's actions.

Yet the Russian Armed Forces has a million men, backed by tens of millions in support work.

This isn't a war of one man or a hundred.

If they don't fight as hard for a better Russia as Ukrainians do for their country, they can only live with the consequences.
 
I'm sure those Russian PlayStation gamers will live.

The same can't be said for the many PlayStation gamers living in the regions of Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia.




Do you think this Ukrainian soldier is still going to be able to enjoy his PlayStation games?

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According to you but these are baseless claims.
Any educated person who has witnessed Russia's crimes knows the state of affairs and there are plenty of those who speak on it.
Which crimes? US bombed many more countries and what?
You just choose to believe what you want (provided by media) and act rabbidly about this even though politics are not welcomed here.

Russia will be fine, Russian population will be fine (Russia being the core provide in number of areas does help a lot with that) and your stance will be just your frustration.

Do you realize that tens of thousands of Russians have gone to gulags for protesting the "special operetion"? Or that anyone who speaks out even remotely disappears?
It's.... exaggeration
Nobody cares about them, they just emigrated to Georgia (they can do this unlike Ukrainian men).
 
Hats off for Sony. The general Russian population has no blame on their fascist government. But knowing that they have a fascist government that has crossed every line they shouldn't give any western good or service for granted.
 
I was coming here to disagree with the OP right off the bat and say the 3D All Stars situation in 2020 was worse, but no, reading the OP, I actually do think this is way worse.

I can't believe Sony apparently retains the right to revoke access to our purchases on an account level; I knew they could ban hardware of course, but these are lawful purchases and they are just... gone now?
 
Didnt Nintendo closed WiiU and 3DS digital store and downloads? (i have both, btw, so it's not a troll deflection or something like that).
Yes. Not aware of what's going with this situation but can tell you that Nintedno did this brazenly and don't recall as much outrage over this on Wii (for example).
 
If you think that most Russians can emigrate to Georgia, Turkey or whatnot, you are smoking some good shit. Yes, some folks managed to do it, but that was a very small minority.
Most people just don't care about this stuff, some even understands reasons why it happens. Vocal minority of opposition - they can and they did emigrate.

I was coming here to disagree with the OP right off the bat and say the 3D All Stars situation in 2020 was worse, but no, reading the OP, I actually do think this is way worse.
I can't believe Sony apparently retains the right to revoke access to our purchases on an account level; I knew they could ban hardware of course, but these are lawful purchases and they are just... gone now?
They are most likely not lawful. If it was real - it should be blanket ban of all Russian accounts and it's not the case.
It's look like a typical fearmongering news that appear roughly every half an year when Sony just go out and massive ban accounts used unlawful means
 
I think most of the people who would be complaining about losing access to their vidya have probably already been conscripted and sent to die for their megalomaniac of a leader. Not being able to play Astro Bot is probably the least of their worries. They'll probably get their games back when their government stops being horrible, despotic douchebags and stops the senseless war.
 
Hi everyone


This thread isn't meant as a defense of the Russian government or as taking sides but rather to raise a question about Russian PlayStation accounts. I mean both accounts registered in Russia and those created elsewhere but use the Russian region

The situation feels very sensitive and worth discussing especially since many of these accounts have been active for years, Some users spent thousands of dollars on digital games only to find themselves locked out, What's striking is that Sony unlike other major gaming companies such as Nintendo, Microsoft, or Valve, took this extreme step, The others limited purchases of new games, and in the case of Microsoft and Valve, there were still alternative methods like redeeming digital codes or changing the account region

That means PlayStation users were the only group to have their accounts effectively stolen in broad daylight not because of any user fault but purely due to a political reason

This raises a serious question about the long term security of investing in the PlayStation digital ecosystem. From my perspective Sony has carried out one of the biggest acts of digital theft in recent years showing complete disregard for consumers and the money they've put into their accounts

How can it be digital theft when you dont own nothing that is digital? You are borrowing a licence that can be revoked at any time. When will ppl learn this fact? So many ppl cheer the death of phisical media cuz you are too lazy to lift you fat asses from the sofa to swap a disk then cry when you realize you own nothing. GOG is pretty much one of the few stores that gives some kind of ownership to the digital products they sell as they are not locked behind DRM.

Thers a reason the only games i pre-ordered or bought at full price were physical games. Any digital game i buy, i buy it on promos at a price i consider cheap. But in the back of my mind im aware that i have no ownership of anything i buy in digital format.
 
I had no idea of this. Does that mean if I change my Xbox account from Australian to USA I can purchase USA games even with my Aussie credit card?
You can change your region but your purchase option must match the region you change it to. So if you change to US you'll need to use a US credit card. Or simply buy a US gift card online with your Australian card and use that.
 
Which crimes? US bombed many more countries and what?
You just choose to believe what you want (provided by media) and act rabbidly about this even though politics are not welcomed here.

Trafficking children out of Ukraine for forced adoptions to exterminate their culture is de facto genocide.
Torture, murder and executions of Ukrainian POWs, including recording live beheadings of Ukrainian prisoners.
Killing Russian soldiers surrendering to Ukraine.
Torture, targeted killings, and executions of Ukrainian civilians.
Targeting children in the Mariupol theatre, the Kramatorsk train station, schools, a clinic for autistic children and numerous other civilian sites.
Destroying Kharkovka dam to flood the civilian infrastructure downstream and then targeting rescue workers.

The Russians themselves provide video footage of their own crimes and there is no doubt whatsoever of the sheer evil of this regime. It is not belief but fact and the videos are endless and ongoing.

There is nothing political about reiterating the fact that evil regimes exist and for that those like fascist Russia, Imperial Japan, or Nazi Germany, everything is on the table as far as sanctions and censure goes.
 
Taking away people's games isn't going to stop Putin. It just makes his 'us vs the world' gaslighting more effective.

They also fucked up accounts in Ukraine and Turkiye as well, so I guess fuck them too?
 
I don't get it.
They broke the TOS and got penalised for it.
Do you want them to be given privileges because they are Russians?
Are Russians better or more deserving than other nationalities?
 
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