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[DragonNCM]

Absolutely. Every good and service delivered to them should cease in its entirety and all assets that can be seized, should be seized. What is seized should be used as compensation to Russia's victims and if not, it should be destroyed but never returned.

If Russians don't like that state of affairs, they should take it up with Putin.

Their genocidal degeneracy is committing an endless number of war crimes and murders people daily, their inconveniences are trivial by comparison.

Zelenskyy....is that you ?
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[PlayStaytion]

Hi everyone


This thread isn't meant as a defense of the Russian government or as taking sides but rather to raise a question about Russian PlayStation accounts. I mean both accounts registered in Russia and those created elsewhere but use the Russian region

The situation feels very sensitive and worth discussing especially since many of these accounts have been active for years, Some users spent thousands of dollars on digital games only to find themselves locked out, What's striking is that Sony unlike other major gaming companies such as Nintendo, Microsoft, or Valve, took this extreme step, The others limited purchases of new games, and in the case of Microsoft and Valve, there were still alternative methods like redeeming digital codes or changing the account region

That means PlayStation users were the only group to have their accounts effectively stolen in broad daylight not because of any user fault but purely due to a political reason

This raises a serious question about the long term security of investing in the PlayStation digital ecosystem. From my perspective Sony has carried out one of the biggest acts of digital theft in recent years showing complete disregard for consumers and the money they've put into their accounts

Sony blocks Russians' PlayStation accounts

Many Russian users have begun reporting mass account suspensions on PlayStation. This reportedly also affects accounts registered in other regions, such as Türkiye, Kazakhstan, Ukraine and elsewhere.

tech.yahoo.com

Can't tell about specifics but it's obvious from what I've seen and experienced that employees in any industry will differentiate themselves between fortunate and unfortunate and act accordingly, for protection or anything equivalent in value even when each of them have something in common like which company they're working for.

 

[grvg]

That sucks. Fuck sony.

Also, this thread got derailed and shat up really quickly. We got our first (inevitable) mention of Nazis around a dozen posts in. Impressive.

 

[winjer]

Sorry, but I don't care about Russians losing some digital games, when their country, their government and their armed forces are committing war crimes in Ukraine.

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

It's a very shitty situation and highlights how messed up Sony's PSN account restrictions are. Especially around regions.

The fact that you can move from North America to Europe and aren't allowed to change your region is insane in this day and age. And anything you do to get around their insane restrictions goes against their ToS and you get your account suspended like they're doing here.

Exactly. I changed 5 different countries, without a problem I changed my region on Steam 3 times without a single issue. You dont even have to contact anyone, just buy with the current local currency CC and your region chanmges automatically.

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

I had no idea of this. Does that mean if I change my Xbox account from Australian to USA I can purchase USA games even with my Aussie credit card?

Someone gave you wrong information. You CAN use your Aussie card in the USA for purchases on a US account on an xbox. Only Playstation is anal and wants only the local cc of a region to be used depending on your account. For reference, while I had my XsX, I had a TURKISH account (cheaper prices), was living in VIETNAM, but used my SERBIAN cc to purchase games on that account. MS dont give a F what you use. Sony are the only ones stuck in the past.

 

[DragonNCM]

Someone gave you wrong information. You CAN use your Aussie card in the USA for purchases on a US account on an xbox. Only Playstation is anal and wants only the local cc of a region to be used depending on your account. For reference, while I had my XsX, I had a TURKISH account (cheaper prices), was living in VIETNAM, but used my SERBIAN cc to purchase games on that account. MS dont give a F what you use. Sony are the only ones stuck in the past.

You cant buy games anymore in Turkish store if you don't have Turkish CC but you can still pay for Gamepass without problem.

 

[mdkirby]

So every Russian gamer should be excluded from a platform because of their governments actions??? I think it's bullshit tbh not every Russian citizen is Stalin.

Yeah okay Robespierre, look there is not a single russian dumb enough to die to change the regime in order to play Borderlands 4.

This isn't about simply losing PlayStation access. These actions, are but one of many, that target the Russian economy, the Russian government, and yes the Russian people. They are cumulative tools of influence to pressure Russia to halt their invasion of Europe and end their genocidal imperialism.

Making life cumulatively harder for ordinary Russians is the point, and it is working, polling is showing the Russian publics previously extremely high support for the war is being eroded, and they are growing tired of the conflict as it affects their day to day life.

The government will be very unlikely to stop their conquests willingly, they are neck deep in a war economy to the point that ending it would collapse their economy and regime, and would repatriate the best part of a million traumatised soldiers. Those who have already been returning are leading to significant rises in violence (and past precedent from the ending of Russias Afghanistan adventures, where merely tens of thousand of soldiers returned home resulted in massive crime waves and boom of the Russian mafia).

Russian education has also been restructured around hatred for the west and military training (ie schools teach drone classes). So the only way this ends without a massive war involving the rest of Europe is these pressure measures, and Russia being forced to change track by a discontented populace and internal economic collapse, the same way the last two regimes ended (tsars, and USSR). They have a lot of people, and the value of life is minimal, the government would happily lose millions more on the front without blinking an eye, so it has to end from within, whilst the line is held on the front.

It is a big hurdle tho, as even minor dissent can get you arrested and sent to the front. Hell there's even instances of parents being arrested because their children drew anti war drawings, and the public are on a continuous diet of propaganda with next to zero accessibility to opposing information as it's all banned, censored or blocked.

Hopefully the pressures eventually bear fruit as Europes populace and military are not currently prepared for an expansion of the war, and it'll take a good many years until we are, and if Russias attack on Poland last week is anything to go by our military doctrine and air defence system is not well equipped for modern drone warfare.

 

[SenkiDala]

I think you can still download, but not purchase.

I confirm you can.

What is doing Sony in that situation here is just unacceptable. They bought games, for years, they did nothing except being Russians, Sony decides to not sell any PS related stuff in Russia ok, but BANNING people for trying to connect to a different region ? Blocking new purchase is already laughably disgusting, but what they're doing is just pure robery.

And for the retards I see here, you know that Russians people are human ? They didn't ask to born there ? They didn't chose Putin ? You actually have an idea of what it is to live in a dictatorship ?

Would you laugh at someone for that's born blind or with only 1 arm ? Well, of course you would, assholes.

 

[Magister]

The fact that you can move from North America to Europe and aren't allowed to change your region is insane in this day and age. And anything you do to get around their insane restrictions goes against their ToS and you get your account suspended like they're doing here.

Suspension is not very likely. I've been using an account from other region for more than 4 years and so far nothing hapened. My official region is unsupported and some people I know are even using US PSN for more than 10 years. They turn a blind eye because they are still oficially selling PS5 in my region.

 

[Majormaxxx]

Absolutely. Every good and service delivered to them should cease in its entirety and all assets that can be seized, should be seized. What is seized should be used as compensation to Russia's victims and if not, it should be destroyed but never returned.

If Russians don't like that state of affairs, they should take it up with Putin.

Their genocidal degeneracy is committing an endless number of war crimes and murders people daily, their inconveniences are trivial by comparison.

now do the other country

 

[Felessan]

Trafficking children out of Ukraine for forced adoptions to exterminate their culture is de facto genocide.
Torture, murder and executions of Ukrainian POWs, including recording live beheadings of Ukrainian prisoners.
Killing Russian soldiers surrendering to Ukraine.
Torture, targeted killings, and executions of Ukrainian civilians.
Targeting children in the Mariupol theatre, the Kramatorsk train station, schools, a clinic for autistic children and numerous other civilian sites.
Destroying Kharkovka dam to flood the civilian infrastructure downstream and then targeting rescue workers.

The Russians themselves provide video footage of their own crimes and there is no doubt whatsoever of the sheer evil of this regime. It is not belief but fact and the videos are endless and ongoing.

There is nothing political about reiterating the fact that evil regimes exist and for that those like fascist Russia, Imperial Japan, or Nazi Germany, everything is on the table as far as sanctions and censure goes.

You read unian too much, seriously

What is doing Sony in that situation here is just unacceptable. They bought games, for years, they did nothing except being Russians, Sony decides to not sell any PS related stuff in Russia ok, but BANNING people for trying to connect to a different region ? Blocking new purchase is already laughably disgusting, but what they're doing is just pure robery.

It's actually bullshit. I checked and it seems that fair accounts are unaffected.
It's just as payment is restricted and PSN is suspended in Russia many go for shady means to get acc|buy games and those shady means not always legal. And Sony bans accs used unlawfull means (like purchases on stolen cc) reguary.

 

[Jesb]

Is this an issue in other countries. Can a Canadian for example make a uk account and use it?

 

[SenkiDala]

It's actually bullshit. I checked and it seems that fair accounts are unaffected.
It's just as payment is restricted and PSN is suspended in Russia many go for shady means to get acc|buy games and those shady means not always legal. And Sony bans accs used unlawfull means (like purchases on stolen cc) reguary.

Well then it changes everything.

 

[Lunarorbit]

Hats off for Sony. The general Russian population has no blame on their fascist government. But knowing that they have a fascist government that has crossed every line they shouldn't give any western good or service for granted.

Yup. Its insane that Europe still buys gas from Russia.

Sorry your regime is bloodthirsty and horrible Russians. I think Sony should have just cut new services for Russia and not taken down the whole network but oh well

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

The mods this week looking at all these non political topics that are actually political

 

[ParaSeoul]

I wonder why Russia is banned from everything while two other countries doing comparable stuff are still allowed

 

[Fahdis]

Damn son. Thats messed up.

 

[Tunned]

You guys should stop watching so much bullshit political propaganda and go outside, this is a gaming forum, take the political discussions to the off-topic forums.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

hot take but... fuck Russia

good luck gaming when Ukraine blows the rest of the refineries in a couple months time

 

[Orangee]

Same thing If you get banned for saying words on PSN. You can get a ban If someone reports your message on a group chat. Doesnt matter what the message contains. Automod strikes you down. And you lose all your games.

Sorry, but I don't care about Russians losing some digital games, when their country, their government and their armed forces are committing war crimes in Ukraine.

Sorry, but I dont care about Americans losing some digital games, when their country, their government and their armed forced are supporting and helping in committing war crimes in Gaza.



Funny how racism and generally - Punishing random people for what others of "their kind" are doing is absolutely okay for people, as long as It's against a group that attacking currently is seen as acceptable publicly.
Wonder what your reaction would be If we changed "Russians" to.. for example black people. Should they be punished for the crimes that some other unrelated black people are committing, just because they are black?

It's not like people can choose who or where they are born.

 

[winjer]

Same thing If you get banned for saying words on PSN. You can get a ban If someone reports your message on a group chat. Doesnt matter what the message contains. Automod strikes you down. And you lose all your games.




Sorry, but I dont care about Americans losing some digital games, when their country, their government and their armed forced are supporting and helping in committing war crimes in Gaza.



Funny how racism and generally - Punishing random people for what others of "their kind" are doing is absolutely okay for people, as long as It's against a group that attacking currently is seen as acceptable publicly.
Wonder what your reaction would be If we changed "Russians" to.. for example black people. Should they be punished for the crimes that some other unrelated black people are committing, just because they are black?

It's not like people can choose who or where they are born.

Are you really trying to portray Russia as the victim?

 

[SuperC]

Are you really trying to portray Russia as the victim?

You don't get it, most people don't really care about Russia but the fallout from this decision is global. Like if you live in China, the Middle East, or Latin America, you'll think twice before investing in Sony's platforms because apparently if you upset the Americans you lose access to your own digital purchases

And why is it only Sony that went this far? Why didn't they just block new purchases like Microsoft and Valve did? With this move Sony basically killed its reputation in a lot of countries for no good reason

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

So every Russian gamer should be excluded from a platform because of their governments actions??? I think it's bullshit tbh not every Russian citizen is Stalin.

Even if every Russian was Stalin, that would still not give Sony the right to take away their digital licenses. I could maybe imagine some extreme exceptional scenario where the assets/licenses/products are of great interest to national security (of the US, for example) and therefore the state intervenes by forcing the company to withdraw licenses etc. But we're talking about stupid video games here, lol.

 

[HYDE]

No…Sony robbing the PS3 digital PSN purchases from not transferring to PS4 then later to PS5 was the biggest imo.

 

[winjer]

You don't get it, most people don't really care about Russia but the fallout from this decision is global. Like if you live in China, the Middle East, or Latin America, you'll think twice before investing in Sony's platforms because apparently if you upset the Americans you lose access to your own digital purchases

And why is it only Sony that went this far? Why didn't they just block new purchases like Microsoft and Valve did? With this move Sony basically killed its reputation in a lot of countries for no good reason

Everyone understands why Sony and many other companies did this or similar things.
And nobody cares about Russians losing some digital games.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

I wonder why Russia is banned from everything while two other countries doing comparable stuff are still allowed

Money speaks louder. Check what's happening with eurovision and you would be surprised.

 

[IntentionalPun]

You don't get it, most people don't really care about Russia but the fallout from this decision is global. Like if you live in China, the Middle East, or Latin America, you'll think twice before investing in Sony's platforms because apparently if you upset the Americans you lose access to your own digital purchases

And why is it only Sony that went this far? Why didn't they just block new purchases like Microsoft and Valve did? With this move Sony basically killed its reputation in a lot of countries for no good reason

Aren't they being banned for trying to buy things they are banned from buying?

Not saying it's right what Sony is doing, but if a Russian didn't do that, aren't they still allowed access to their games?

Anyone bypassing region restrictions is violating TOS on every platform, and are at risk of any sort of crack-down.

I hate the idea of people losing access to accounts full of purchases though either way.

 

[N30RYU]

 

[Hudo]

I believe you agree to Sony (and most other companies, btw) buttfucking you however they like when you're agreeing to their TOS.

 

[yurinka]

Hi everyone


This thread isn't meant as a defense of the Russian government or as taking sides but rather to raise a question about Russian PlayStation accounts. I mean both accounts registered in Russia and those created elsewhere but use the Russian region

The situation feels very sensitive and worth discussing especially since many of these accounts have been active for years, Some users spent thousands of dollars on digital games only to find themselves locked out, What's striking is that Sony unlike other major gaming companies such as Nintendo, Microsoft, or Valve, took this extreme step, The others limited purchases of new games, and in the case of Microsoft and Valve, there were still alternative methods like redeeming digital codes or changing the account region

That means PlayStation users were the only group to have their accounts effectively stolen in broad daylight not because of any user fault but purely due to a political reason

This raises a serious question about the long term security of investing in the PlayStation digital ecosystem. From my perspective Sony has carried out one of the biggest acts of digital theft in recent years showing complete disregard for consumers and the money they've put into their accounts

Sony blocks Russians' PlayStation accounts

Many Russian users have begun reporting mass account suspensions on PlayStation. This reportedly also affects accounts registered in other regions, such as Türkiye, Kazakhstan, Ukraine and elsewhere.

tech.yahoo.com

Keeping aside that I consider very retarded to have blocked PSN/store for the Russian players, which I find dumb because they have nothing to do with what their government does, I think it depends on what Sony did:

• If players can't play the digital games or DLC they bought, and/or retail games that require online connection yes, this is theft/scam
• If keeps them play the game they bought, but simply doesn't allow them to buy more games, DLC, PS+ renewals then I think it's ok, particularly if Sony allows them to create a PSN account of another country and let them buy games/DLCs/PS+ without needing to use VPN or something like that

But I'm talking in let's say moral/ethics terms, legal wise pretty likely their TOS covers this case saying that you agree similar cases and also allowing them to fuck your daughter whenever they want.

They broke the TOS and got penalised for it.

I'd bet that to be a person who happens to live in a country that the NATO/USA decided to economically block isn't listed as things that break the TOS as the user's fault.

I assume Sony will have something covering their ass like saying they can shut down an account whenever they want and for whatever reason they want or something like that.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Sorry, but I don't care about Russians losing some digital games, when their country, their government and their armed forces are committing war crimes in Ukraine.

Sure, but does that excuse Sony from taking away what they paid for? No, I don't think it does.

 

[winjer]

Sure, but does that excuse Sony from taking away what they paid for? No, I don't think it does.

Compared to the crimes Russians are doing in Ukraine, it's irrelevant.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Compared to the crimes Russians are doing in Ukraine, it's irrelevant.

No, it's not. Still no reason to hand waive theft.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

No, it's not. Still no reason to hand waive theft.

Maybe check about the theft the Russian government did to multiple western companies operating there before and in the early days of the war.

They are an enemy country, period.

 

[StereoVsn]

Compared to the crimes Russians are doing in Ukraine, it's irrelevant.

This situation does illustrate Sony's idiotic regional rules where they are alone at not letting folks change regions when they move.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Maybe check about the theft the Russian government did to multiple western companies operating there before and in the early days of the war.

They are an enemy country, period.

So it's ok to steal from the people of said country? What kind of logic is that?

 

[yurinka]

Compared to the crimes Russians are doing in Ukraine, it's irrelevant.

Following this reasoning Sony should also block PSN in USA, the rest of NATO countries, Israel and Ukraine just to name a few. I think it doesn't make sense to punish normal people for what their government does.

 

[StereoVsn]

Following this reasoning Sony should also block PSN in USA, the rest of NATO countries, Israel and Ukraine just to name a few. I think it doesn't make sense to punish normal people for what their government does.

And let's not forget the land of Emperor Xi and CCP where Sony is pushing hard to expand.

But at the end of the, the biggest issue is Sony's refusal to allow people to move regions in general, Russia or otherwise.

 

[winjer]

Following this reasoning Sony should also block PSN in USA, the rest of NATO countries, Israel and Ukraine just to name a few. I think it doesn't make sense to punish normal people for what their government does.

In case you don't notice, most of the western world is boycotting Russia, for the invasion of Ukraine. This didn't just happen because Sony decided to be mean to Russians.
And of course, Russia can boycott western products whenever they happen to disagree with something they don't like.

 

[yurinka]

And let's not forget the land of Emperor Xi and CCP where Sony is pushing hard to expand.

What crimes are they supposed to have done? Are they in any war that I missed?

But at the end of the, the biggest issue is Sony's refusal to allow people to move regions in general, Russia or otherwise.

No, the biggest issue is Sony not allowing players use stuff they bought, when they are people who didn't do anything to deserve so.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

So it's ok to steal from the people of said country? What kind of logic is that?

Steal? They are a sanctioned country, if Sony or any other company choses not to do business and extract themselves from there they are doing the right thing.
Once they fix their government and stop invading neighboring countries / casually threaten nuclear war with others, they can have their videogames back.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Steal? They are a sanctioned country, if Sony or any other company choses not to do business and extract themselves from there they are doing the right thing.
Once they fix their government and stop invading neighboring countries / casually threaten nuclear war with others, they can have their videogames back.

Sony is so left wing these days, what if they decided to block US and Israel's PSN accounts for Gaza? Would you be ok with that as well?

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

Sony is so left wing these days, what if they decided to block US and Israel's PSN accounts for Gaza? Would you be ok with that as well?

Block Israel? I'll sign right now, yes. Another genocidal government casually attacking everyone around. Don't threaten me with a good time.

US has plenty of problems, but it's self boycotting with tariffs anyway, so up to the US government when they want to stop shooting themselves in the foot (or the neck, whatever is popular these days).

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Block Israel? I'll sign right now, yes. Another genocidal government casually attacking everyone around. Don't threaten me with a good time.

US has plenty of problems, but it's self boycotting with tariffs anyway, so up to the US government when they want to stop shooting themselves in the foot (or the neck, whatever is popular these days).

 

[StereoVsn]

What crimes are they supposed to have done? Are they in any war that I missed?

CCP? Are you being serious?

• Repression, incarceration, forced labor and much more against Uyghur and other minorities in Xinjiang
• Continues repression against Tibetan population, culture, religion and more.
• Border provocations against virtually every nation bordering them.
• Claiming of almost the entirety of South China Sea and bullying countries like Philippines
• Jailing/disappearing people for anything CCP doesn't like. This includes the so-called corruption drive against Xi's political enemies
• Hong Kong debacle and basically making it into mainland despite the agreements. Throw in jailing political opponents and anyone involved with protests.
• Organ harvesting from prisoners.
• Executing thousands of prisoners each year (including political ones).
• Facilitating fentanyl trade
• Empowering criminal organizations in the golden triangle
• Supporting Putin in his Ukraine war
• And much much more.

I am sure you are going to find many excuses. Or throw in "US too".

Edit: Oh, and about to invade Taiwan in next few years. Because the will of millions of people who live in a democratic Taiwan does not count.