Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Graphically? I very much doubt it.
Digital Foundry: Assassin's Creed Shadows - PS5 Pro vs PS5 Review - One Of The Best Upgrades For The System
DenchDeckard
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If yotei can looks better than shadows i will be over the moon.
Deffo waiting for a pc port of yotei after playing shadows. I need it to look as close as possible and no way thay the pro can deliver that in my opinion. The hardware just isn't good enough. Compared to my pc obviously. Which is worth like 4 times a pro.
Deffo waiting for a pc port of yotei after playing shadows. I need it to look as close as possible and no way thay the pro can deliver that in my opinion. The hardware just isn't good enough. Compared to my pc obviously. Which is worth like 4 times a pro.
TheRedRiders
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I have my reservations about Yotei and I don't think it'll be as visually pleasant as Shadows.
Ubisoft went out there way to push the engine and incorporating a new micro-polygon rendering system similar to Nanite, and on top of that they adding full RTGI. The only thing I cans see Yotei exceeding in is facial IQ and animations. Harsh I know, but Sony first parties have been mostly mediocre since the start of this PS5 gen.
Ubisoft went out there way to push the engine and incorporating a new micro-polygon rendering system similar to Nanite, and on top of that they adding full RTGI. The only thing I cans see Yotei exceeding in is facial IQ and animations. Harsh I know, but Sony first parties have been mostly mediocre since the start of this PS5 gen.
That's not how it works. They'll just upscale from whatever its at now.
Ubi has their own upscaling tech they're using.
yamaci17
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taau is quite light
it won't have to drop to 720p but I'd say it would surely drop below 1080p which would make a lot of people angry
dlss vs taau
around 10% performance cost. I think PSSR could be heavier on the ps5 pro or something like that. not so sure actually
anyways it is quite bad. they should implement PSSR regardless. PSSR at 900p internal would probably look better than TAAU at 1080p internal
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Tqaulity
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They said that the PSSR patch has already been submitted for cert (before the game even launched). Of course, I can’t say exactly when the patch will land, but safe to say it should be on the order of weeks and not months.
Mr Moose
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Yup (and GoT is a PS4 game).
Ideally we should expect a 2025 big budget open world game to look better than a 2020 big budget one.
I thought you were playing this game on your Series X.
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jm89
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Assassin's Creed Shadows: inside the technologically revamped Anvil Engine
Digital Foundry interviews the developers of Assassin's Creed Shadows, discussing the major upgrades made to its Anvil Engine.
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Mr Moose
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Assassin's Creed Shadows: inside the technologically revamped Anvil Engine
Digital Foundry interviews the developers of Assassin's Creed Shadows, discussing the major upgrades made to its Anvil Engine.www.eurogamer.net
Nice.
Bojji
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Yea but it won't have Naoe.
Christ, Ubisoft is woke but they still created both characters that are attractive. Naoe is not a sexbomb but she is cute.
But this old and ugly hag?
GHG
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Javi97
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PSSR patch confirmed?Assassin's Creed Shadows: inside the technologically revamped Anvil Engine
Digital Foundry interviews the developers of Assassin's Creed Shadows, discussing the major upgrades made to its Anvil Engine.www.eurogamer.net
HeWhoWalks
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Also:Assassin's Creed Shadows: inside the technologically revamped Anvil Engine
Digital Foundry interviews the developers of Assassin's Creed Shadows, discussing the major upgrades made to its Anvil Engine.www.eurogamer.net
"RT reflections were developed after the initial delay to AC Shadows. Given the shift in our release window, we wanted to make sure we remained competitive on high-end PCs and PS5 Pro. We had an extremely motivated team that had learned a lot developing the RTGI solution, and felt confident in achieving the objective of shipping RT reflections with a 30fps performance target on Pro. For launch, our priority was quality mode specifically to ensure it didn't prompt graphical artefacts or other issues. We've continued to optimise RT reflections and the game in general, and we're happy to say that a future update will enable RT reflections on PS5 Pro's balanced mode".
This is precisely why I tell people that when a game lacks a featureset/has issues/etc, it's generally down to devwork. It's Game Design 101, and as a student of said major, it was one of the first things we learned. It's truly like a child's sandbox. You can bitch and complain about a missing shovel, less sand than other sandboxes, or what have you. Or..........you can build something appreciable with the tools available.
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viveks86
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I wonder if as part of optimizing reflections, they have improved quality as well. Seemed quite noisy to feel like a bonus. And may be PSSR can clean it up like it did for R&C
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Tqaulity
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This essentially is the info I heard from the dev team. Better them than me to put it out thereAssassin's Creed Shadows: inside the technologically revamped Anvil Engine
Digital Foundry interviews the developers of Assassin's Creed Shadows, discussing the major upgrades made to its Anvil Engine.www.eurogamer.net
.So PSSR will be present on all modes and extended RT will be added to balance mode as well. There are some other tweaks under the hood as well but now there will be meaningful improvements over base in every mode! Definitely something to look forward to!
Physiognomonics
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Now the 40fps mode will become great on Pro. PSSR (better than their TAA that breaks in motion), RTGI + RT reflections. Also the 60fps mode will greatly benefit from PSSR.
viveks86
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They are talking about eventually adding virtualized geometry to vegetation and characters when they release expansions. Should be interesting to see how far they are able to push the hardwareThis essentially is the info I heard from the dev team. Better them than me to put it out there
So PSSR will be present on all modes and extended RT will be added to balance mode as well. There are some other tweaks under the hood as well but now there will be meaningful improvements over base in every mode! Definitely something to look forward to!
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SKYF@ll
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"In terms of PSSR, we analysed PSSR and TAA dat the time of shipping AC Shadows and found better results with our TAA solution. However, PSSR is a new upscaler and after an in-depth collaboration with Sony over the past few months, many issues have been addressed, mostly around moving vegetation and water - problems that other titles have faced. We're now confident that the image quality with PSSR will always be better than with TAA."
I'm looking forward to the new PS5 Pro Balanced Mode, which improves image(latest PSSR) quality and adds Extended RT.
I'm looking forward to the new PS5 Pro Balanced Mode, which improves image(latest PSSR) quality and adds Extended RT.
I agree on this. In fairness the AC shadow protagonist us cute. For me, I just kinda dissapointed the game has twisted gender ideology binary crap thing in it with one of the npc in the game. About, GOY, Im a bit worried GOY since the actress model used as protagonist is a radical left and active lgbt activist. I just pray that there will no push and force woke agenda in GOY especially twisted gender ideology like binary, transgenderism and misuse of pronouns trash.
Which is also means good news for upcoming ps5 games especially DS2, GTA6, Wolverine, Saros, etc. Pssr ml is really evolving in a very fast pace and more exciting is the pssr + fsr4 integration coming up in the near future.This essentially is the info I heard from the dev team. Better them than me to put it out there
So PSSR will be present on all modes and extended RT will be added to balance mode as well. There are some other tweaks under the hood as well but now there will be meaningful improvements over base in every mode! Definitely something to look forward to!
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I'm wondering why the second half of the RTGI demo that's present here wasn't in the PS5 Pro video, even though that's the system he's choosing to highlight the upgrades with. The additional detail included with Specular was sort of dismissed in the Quality mode portion even though it does show a substantial upgrade over the SSR implementation here. It also shows an upgrade over the base consoles that just includes RTGI Diffuse in Quality mode, but Oliver never showed an example of it, just saying the modes had similar settings. across both systems. Well here they are saying something different. The addition of Specular is the reason why some people in the other thread thought it was just a different time of day in the scenes to dismiss the obvious upgrade in lighting added to the Pro Quality mode. Hopefully with the update coming this could be included in the 40fps mode as well.
This section clearly needed to be added because the VS. video was extremely barebones:
Yet, it's missing from the video except for one still shot that doesn't even highlight the difference. They should've released one long video instead of handing it off to others in pieces. It's two totally different tones highlighting the differences.
This section clearly needed to be added because the VS. video was extremely barebones:
Yet, it's missing from the video except for one still shot that doesn't even highlight the difference. They should've released one long video instead of handing it off to others in pieces. It's two totally different tones highlighting the differences.
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Radical_3d
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The 40fps mode is (in base and pro consoles) for 120hz TVs. It has no VRR in any console since once it drops the minimum it drops is 39. But my experience is that even in the base PS5 the 40fps modes are rock solid.
DeVeAn
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Agreed. Most the games I played on pro have even more modes…which was not what I heard Mark say.
The lady isn't even ugly though. She just looks like she is in her 40s and covered in dirt and sweat.
Gaiff
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Eh, kinda useless. No matched settings or benchmarks passes.
Edit: Also unsure, but maybe someone can verify. One of the comments states that the upscaler doesn’t use axises but pixel count. So 50% is actually half the amount of 4K pixels, not 50% per axis. This means the "Performance" Mode was presumably running at 2723x1531 and upscaling to 4K, but I find it hard to believe. The uploader doesn’t seem to know either.
All in all, this guy doesn’t know what he’s doing.
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MadchesterManc
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Depends on if Ubisoft are enabling LFC on balanced mode, or just running the 40fps in a 120Hz container. A few games I played on PS5 (usually Insomniac games) would have LFC in the 40fps modes so you would still get VRR with any drops (TV would receive 40fps as 80Hz keeping it within the 48-120Hz range)
Lysandros
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I also agree this comparison is completely meaningless. It's also pretty ridiculous to use a ryzen 7 7800x3D (is this mid range now?..) for this, this will obviously help the performance quite a bit at 1080P in cities and such.
Killjoy-NL
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40fps already is better than performance due to it's increased draw-distance and the difference between 40fps and 60fps doesn't feel too big in this game.
With added RT reflections, Balanced will be a no-brainer over Performance.
Imo.
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Bojji
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This was mostly GPU test and comparison with PS5.
For sure he shouldn't have used very high settings for RT, NO WAY performance mode on Pro uses them. As
Gaiff
mentioned resolution is probably also much higher on 6800XT vs. Pro because of how scaling works in this game.Pro has better RT tech than this GPU but it's worse in raster power.
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yamaci17
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it's also important to note that ps5 pro drops to 864p and 952p often with nothing happening on screen in a relatively calm area
well here's what 5600 is capable of in Kyoto CPU bound
so using something like 5600 wouldn't change the result much
I think this CPU can get you more performance. but even at 720p dlss performance, I'm heavily GPU bottlenecked. so I can't test it
however with worst case scenario on ps5 pro (864p internal) 3070 gets 48-51 FPS with medium ray tracing
which means ps5 pro does RT at least 20% faster than 3070 in this game (if settings are matched that is)
of course I have many settings at very high and high. so we have to know what other settings ps5 pro uses
anyways it is pointless to chase high resolution. if you want decent performance/image quality out of this game, don't go beyond 40 FPS (if you have low end GPU like me)
from 360p (720p output) to 864p (1080p output) performance only increased by 20%
it's not worth it. game's performance is bottlenecked elsewhere and shading resolution doesn't help much
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SlimySnake
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Good luck to those who are waiting for the PSSR patch. PSSR is more expensive than TAAU and since this is already dropping to 864p, i wouldnt be surprised if the PSSR mode drops to 720p.
I will run the same test on my 3080 and see if i can hold 60 fps at 1080p.
The quality mode is around 1440p on all consoles. I would recommend people just play that and devs stop releasing sub 1080p performance modes on consoles. Especially the Pro. its insulting to the userbase.
Sure but it´s on the devs not the hardware. Also you have to consider it´s RTGI plus 60fps this is a $700 complete system not a $700 standalone GPU. To me this is not a impressive PS5 upgrade neither as DF said in the video.
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