shadowsdarknes
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It's a beta. Optimization will come down the line. But even then, it's still lower 50's during fairly infrequent occurrences. That's not particularly severe.
Digital Foundry: Hands-on with the Halo 5 beta
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It's a beta. Optimization will come down the line. But even then, it's still lower 50's during fairly infrequent occurrences. That's not particularly severe.
Don't be a tool. Its a beta for a game that releases a year from now.
I haven't encountered a place where the performance approached anything close to a problem, and the generally 60 fps feels great, but boy howdy, that resolution, lol
I totally know it's the most stable of the early builds for them to work with, it's just jarring how obvious the resolution is compared to other games I've been working through. Still though, I've liked this a lot.
I totally know it's the most stable of the early builds for them to work with, it's just jarring how obvious the resolution is compared to other games I've been working through. Still though, I've liked this a lot.
hotnheavyload
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Awful analysis, the game is 11 months away.
SEGAvangelist
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Pretty sure this game isn't even using the Kinect reserve yet.
7DollarHagane
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I worry about this game because MLG arena play seems to be the focus. Vehicle and large map objective play will be an afterthought.
I'm not impressed by the beta much but maybe they will do a good campaign.
I'm not impressed by the beta much but maybe they will do a good campaign.
SEGAvangelist
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VisceralBowl
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Basically, you can key animations at whatever framerate you desire. Some of the moving objects in the skybox are keyed at a lower rate than 60 and thus become all stuttery and, thanks to motion blur, get very blurry.
If you've played Halo CE on PC (or look at the cutscenes in the MCC) that's an extreme example.
EDIT: The article did kind of mention it:
With all the resolution pressure present this gen there is no way 343 would release a flagship game like Halo at 720.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
I'd say 900p is still likely and would be fine with me.
I think a lot of people have forgotten what actual betas are.
Yeah, I'm expecting 1360 x 1080 resolution for MP, and maybe 1080p for single player.
Ahhh again with the talk about gameplay in a tech analysis...
Otherwise doesn't sound too bad given it's a year out. Should be interesting to compare come release.
Halo 5 was never given a resolution target btw.
Yea and I'm guessing they've had the beta locked in since October since they've shown it off. It's probably an old, stable build that they know won't crash very often if at all.
SniperHunter
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halo games arent known for their graphics anyway
RowdyReverb
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Except the previous Halo game?
XxRampage07xX
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Well, I am not worried at all. The game is still a year away. Plenty of time for improvement and optimization 
900p has looked surprisingly good in most games I've played, in terms of IQ. Ryse was a good case for balancing performance and clarity early on in the generation. I do think the 720p here looked rough, especially with the pre-round flyovers.
I don't know if I'd say that. Particularly in the cases of 1 and 4.
This is probably the only time I'm upset with Digital Foundry.
Why would anyone in their right mind take this analysis seriously or expect that this would be a good idea? It's a beta of a game over a year out. Not to mention the graphical aspect was one of the least important things 343i said about this beta.
I highly doubt anything was well optimized and if anything, they should be commended for putting out a product this polished so far from release. Some games don't run this well at launch.
Why would anyone in their right mind take this analysis seriously or expect that this would be a good idea? It's a beta of a game over a year out. Not to mention the graphical aspect was one of the least important things 343i said about this beta.
I highly doubt anything was well optimized and if anything, they should be commended for putting out a product this polished so far from release. Some games don't run this well at launch.
Yep, it was hilarious earlier today seeing him advise someone else against trolling.
As for the beta, I thought it looked nice, but not sharp, but it ran great. Made going back to Destiny PVP difficult. The smoothness of 60 fps is definitely something Titanfall could have used as well. My main hope is that they can make the single player a solid 60 fps as well, since that's where I derive most of my fun from any game.
It had a weird shimmer to it. I assumed that was from the low resolution. But I've played numerous Xbox One games that weren't 1080p and they didn't have that shimmer, and they also looked very sharp.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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The trolls in this thread are killing me.
It's just par for the course nowadays
just try and ignore it. Lots of bitter people around Shader aliasing.
Probably post history.
Jessie.Bristol
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If I were to hazard a guess, a BTB Multiplayer Beta will probably happen during E3 or soon after to give it that big push before the Holidays.
biglittleps
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Its common for big exclusive games of PS4/XB1 and its really irritating. Eurogamer first needs to be blamed for doing theses early technical analysis.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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I've been saying that for a while now. The earliness of the beta combined with the "Arena Beta" name makes me pretty sure we'll see another. Probably an open beta at that, as a final stress test and peak at the tech improvements and gameplay alterations since beta 1.
Justice_Bolt
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The game release in December?
DarthWalden
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Yes it is.
Jessie.Bristol
Member
Yeah, I can definitely see Microsoft closing their E3 Briefing with a Halo 5 BTB Beta and announcing it is now available.
ALLseeingEYE
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Yup, other 720p X1 games like Battlefield 4 and COD Ghosts have so much aliasing, that while the games still look great overall, the aliasing is super noticeable and messy. After playing the Halo 5 Beta though, I'm honestly totally cool with 720p in this game. Perhaps these Beta levels just play to its strengths, but I'm barely noticing/caring about the resolution. I'm just stoked the game looks great, and plays so damn smooth and good.
I'm sure it'll be higher though, the Halo 2 Anniversary resolution, or dynamic resolution scaler seem like likely candidates.
Because it's interesting to be able to look at how games evolve over the course of development. It's kind of silly when they run articles like this based solely off a video but in this case they do have actual playable code in front of them.
Stable 60 and at least 900p or 1080pr with good processing please. Can dynamic res run at 60? Having 1080p doesn't eliminate jaggies if the aa is still shit.
And to all the people freaking out. It is a year out. This is why some companies are hesitant to show stuff off. No matter how much it is addressed as being wip, impressions assume it's nearly final build.
And to all the people freaking out. It is a year out. This is why some companies are hesitant to show stuff off. No matter how much it is addressed as being wip, impressions assume it's nearly final build.
Digital Foundry's analysis of alpha/beta footage has helped draw attention to problems that developers have later addressed, like Diablo 3 and Destiny's frame pacing issues on PS4.
Fair enough guys, good points. I guess what bothered me was the "concerning" tags they placed on some issues. I don't think anything is concerning yet when it's this far from release.
See above
What is Digital Foundry's specialty? There's nothing to be upset about here. They're giving a technical analysis for those of us that are interested in the details and it allows us to get a better understanding of the process.
The only reason to be angry is that there seem to be a lot of people that are either ignorant of this process (who should be asking more questions instead of making statements), or came in here just to shit the bed. Anyone that is screaming about doom and gloom after reading that article while also knowing that the game is nearly a year away from release is probably someone you can ignore without missing much.
Twin Tails
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how do you develop new fifa gameplay ? I mean it's soccer.
You could add ADS.
Their "next gen gameplay" complaints really are bizarre, though. Especially as they brought up ACU, which is arguably a rare case of a developer ACTUALLY TRYING to work next-gen capabilities into the gameplay (i.e. blending huge crowds with stealth mechanics).
Steverulez
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From when the beta development closed, it probably was a year away, if not more.
People scream for 60fps, it obviously comes with drawbacks... but then they don't like the drawbacks. I thought it looked good for its stage of development, we'll see how far it progresses between this beta and final. If it was 3-6 weeks away like other betas i'd be concerned but... its so much further away than that its really a non issue.
I was hoping for a Digital Foundry article because I wanted to see their analysis but upon getting it... their complaints seem excessive.
I think Quantum Break will have that covered. I'd be willing to bet even casuals who don't follow the developer will take notice the first time they see a commercial.
After having tried the beta, just two days after playing CoD AW in some electronics store on an XB1, I have to say, it feels more like 343i is just recreating CoD and slapping Halo on it. TTK (Time To Kill) is ridiculously low. Heavy-weapon drops are still there in all their CoD fashion, thruster pack just like in AW and zoom-in for all weaponry etc. it just doesn't have the soul of Halo MP to me anymore and I just don't see that changing.
Also, they're saying that it's max 2-player locally in the full version. GTFO 343i. Bungie always respected Halo as a party thing even in Reach. Heck, they sacrificed the graphics heavily just to have 4-player at reasonable framerates. How hard can it be?
Halo is dead, I don't care. There's no creativity, it's all just aping what's popular which is completely counter to how Bungie handled their franchise.
Jessie.Bristol
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I doubt they will opt for 30fps SP and 60fps MP. They want a cohesive experience throughout the whole game. They will just continue to optimize the game until it is running at (mostly) a locked 60fps while running at the highest resolution they can push.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Sounds like a knee jerk reaction after playing a game for five minutes at a demo kiosk.
The Halo 5 beta may not be like the same old Halo that's been done in the past, but it's a far cry from CoD.