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[twilo99]

The bottom line is ps5 pro is future proof for this gen on console side, before we see ps6 possibly 2028.

Future proof with CPU architecture from 5 years ago … solid

 

[Markio128]

The PS4 Pro was decent enough, but it only really improved the resolution of base PS4 games - basically providing a quality mode. The PS5 games already have quality modes, so it’s harder for the Pro to impress from a visual point of view, so it’s performance that seems to be the focal point, with the added bonus of PSSR and RT improvements.

I think the PS5 Pro has way more potential than PS4 Pro ever had.

 

[Kangx]

Alan

Thats because those games are upscaling from a much higher resolution. even DLSS 4k quality >>>> DLSS 1440p performance because 4k quality reconstructs from 1440p while dlss 1440p performance scales from 720p.

You NEED to up the base resolution to at least 1080p. 4k dlss performance is kinda soft but is mostly clean. anything below that and even dlss has issues. i mostly just reduce the settings or turn off ray tracing in order to play games at dlss quality or dlss balanced because even 4k dlss performance is too blurry for me.

AI is not magic. Everyone who games on PCs knows this. you need raw GPU power on top of AI upscaling. 45% more power gets you from 720p to 900p at best. they are using 864p which is maybe 35% more raw pixels. just not enough.

AW2 also has a shimmering issue even on PC related to their post processing setting which is set to Low on consoles. You need to set to high on PC because even at medium, its a shimmering mess. Problem is that even going from medium to high is a 20-25% performance increase. They have to go from low to high on the pro and there just isnt enough GPU there to increase the resolution AND this setting.

to be fair, i had to play this game at 40 fps locked because that setting pretty much killed my framerate and without it, the game looked like a shimmering mess so even on PC its a tradeoff. at least on pc i was able to adjust this setting manually, cant do that even on the quality mode on the pro. again, not enough gpu power.

Did you turn of all of the post processing options to see if it help with shimmering especially motion blur? I posted a video in this thread which demonstrates this. It practically get rid of most shimmering.

 

[yogaflame]

Future proof with CPU architecture from 5 years ago … solid

I think retaining the same CPU is something to do with compatibility with current gen. Like I said, its possible 2028 for ps6, so maybe 3 to 4 years, just a short while it can be considered future proof for console side, for those 3 to 4 years to go in this console cycle. I'm not talking about pc.

 

[reinking]

Future proof with CPU architecture from 5 years ago … solid

Where is a more future proof console? If I understand the post, I believe they meant future titles will be able to take advantage of PSSR and squeeze out more performance of console versions of games.

 

[Markio128]

Future proof with CPU architecture from 5 years ago … solid

There is no point in the PS5 Pro having a better CPU when it will only be used for playing PS5 games.

 

[SlimySnake]

Alan

Did you turn of all of the post processing options to see if it help with shimmering especially motion blur? I posted a video in this thread which demonstrates this. It practically get rid of most shimmering.

never did try that, but i like the post processing effects in that game since they give it that CG filmic look. without it, the game would probably look rather basic.

its a simple game with mostly walking sections so i didnt mind playing it at 40 fps and dropping down to 30 fps in the few times you head back out to the forest.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Okay, so I'm still getting a PS5 Pro, but that review did not exactly seem favorable and pretty underwhelming. Outside of a few standout titles the whole thing seemed rather meh. I guess it's early days but on PS4 Pro, we had games like Infamous Second Son and HZD that showed massive improvements right off the bat.

So PS4 Pro launched with a few standout titles just like PS5 Pro is?

Not seeing much difference there

 

[SpokkX]

its a 4070......and its a single GPU.
The PS5 PRO is a whole console.

so?

It just proves that mid range tech from early 2023 absolutely crushes a late 2024 ”pro” console (a 4070 doubles ps5 pro performance haha)

And nvidia is about to release next gen any month now

Consoles used to be high tech (360, dc, ps2 etc) or at least have original tech (ps3, ps2, gamecube, 360 etc)

now 5 year old pc mid range cpu and gpu tech… sold as ”pro”.. yeah right

 

[Radical_3d]

Future proof with CPU architecture from 5 years ago … solid

The CPU architecture that is going to be the target for 99% of the developers. With exceptions like when things PC-centric like when Witcher 4 releases…

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Future proof with CPU architecture from 5 years ago … solid

CPU architecture from 5 years ago that still results in 99% of games having 60 fps

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

so?

It just proves that mid range tech from early 2023 absolutely crushes a late 2024 ”pro” console

A gpu that launched for more than the PS5 costs is not mid range

Its at the higher end range of gpus available

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Consoles used to be good (360, ps2 etc) or at least have original tech (ps3, ps2, gamecube, 360 etc)

now 5 year old cpu and gpu tech is ”pro”.. yeah right

Revisionist history

Anything from 2000 onward has PC gpus with significantly more power if you are willing to pay the premium

Nothing has changed

And PS5 still did introduce new tech with their SSD and DS controllers

 

[Kangx]

never did try that, but i like the post processing effects in that game since they give it that CG filmic look. without it, the game would probably look rather basic.

its a simple game with mostly walking sections so i didnt mind playing it at 40 fps and dropping down to 30 fps in the few times you head back out to the forest.

But the shimmering killed the whole presentation overall. I guess you need motion blur below 60fps.

For performance mode on consoles, people should turn of all 3 post processing options. The resolution already that low, the game need more clarity and stability so turn off film grain, lens distortion and motion blur is the way to go.

I hope DF mentions this when they have their review video on the pro mode.

 

[SlimySnake]

I think retaining the same CPU is something to do with compatibility with current gen. Like I said, its possible 2028 for ps6, so maybe 3 to 4 years, just a short while it can be considered future proof for console side, for those 3 to 4 years to go in console cycle. I'm not talking about pc.

zen 4 cpus are the same architecture. the same work that went into upgrading from RDNA 2 to RDNA 4 with custom AI and RT enhancements couldve gone into upgrading their zen 2 chip to zen 4.

it has to do with cost. nothing more. they wanted to keep the chip size small, and the profit margin high.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Are you?

This is clearly not what you expected.

You live and troll these Pro threads.

Pretty sad you are.

 

[Markio128]

The PC salty race need to chill out.

 

[vkbest]

People complained with Jaguar, and now they are complaining with a easily 4x more powerful CPU. Maybe the problem is not the CPU and the problem is developers not optimizing the code, releasing games at the minimum acceptable (for them) state.

 

[DJ12]

700 pounds for "something" like fidelity mode at performance mode.

Don't fall for this shit peeps. Please.

Should we pay 600 for a series x with a 2tb drive though.

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

Silent Hill 2 and Kingdom Come 2 are listed as getting Pro patches now

 

[Saberus]

The amount of Trolling in these Pro threads, is really distracting.. starting to take the fun out of things.. Just my .02

 

[Alebrije]

Future proof with CPU architecture from 5 years ago … solid

What other Console in the market has better CPU? Its an honest question.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

so?

It just proves that mid range tech from early 2023 absolutely crushes a late 2024 ”pro” console (a 4070 doubles ps5 pro performance haha)

And nvidia is about to release next gen any month now

Consoles used to be high tech (360, dc, ps2 etc) or at least have original tech (ps3, ps2, gamecube, 360 etc)

now 5 year old pc mid range cpu and gpu tech… sold as ”pro”.. yeah right

PC gaming with top hardware was always superior though. The thing about consoles is that they are the best in terms of cost vs performance. That's still the thing with PS5 Pro. That's all.

PS3 was "high tech" in what way? That "original tech" is why it was a pain in the ass to develop for and then to port to other generations and devs ended up having problems to actually make games for them. That problem started with PS2 and PS3 was even worse.

2013 PS4, a console planned in like 2010 and 2011 managed to run a game like TLOU Part 2 in 2020. To this day in 2024 that game still impresses in things most games releasing nowadays don't.

What's the point about having the latest tech if many of the best looking games came out in 2018 or 2020? Graphics have almost stalled. PS5 Pro is all about performance, resolution and AI. It's Sony's case study for next gen and the first step for what's coming.

Comparing consoles to PCs and judging only a CPU and GPU is ridiculous as fuck. What's next? teraflops? Remember how that went back in 2020 only for PS5 to run most games better than Series X, the console that was better on paper? Consoles have lots of custom hardware and comparing them with a fucking PC makes no sense. That's what "original tech" means nowadays.

And saying ndivia is about to release something...well...congrats? That literally always happens. Switch is outdated since release and that doesn't mean it never got game releases that were great visually.

 

[dreamstation]

Silent Hill 2 and Kingdom Come 2 are listed as getting Pro patches now

Yea nice. Keen as for Kingdom Come 2 but we gotta get better than 30fps. It's a shame the first game is stuck at such a pathetic performance point.

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

Yea nice. Keen as for Kingdom Come 2 but we gotta get better than 30fps. It's a shame the first game is stuck at such a pathetic performance point.

Indeed i don't trust these guys to manage 60 even with the Pro

 

[lh032]

so?

It just proves that mid range tech from early 2023 absolutely crushes a late 2024 ”pro” console (a 4070 doubles ps5 pro performance haha)

And nvidia is about to release next gen any month now

Consoles used to be high tech (360, dc, ps2 etc) or at least have original tech (ps3, ps2, gamecube, 360 etc)

now 5 year old pc mid range cpu and gpu tech… sold as ”pro”.. yeah right

im not sure what are you bragging here. What is the "haha" here? "so" what?

Do you just brag to homeless people that you own a home usually?

Why are you upset about a PRO console? how does it affect your life?

Keep buying those premium GPU, nobody is stopping, you love Nvidia, Nvidia loves you too.

 

[damidu]

so?

It just proves that mid range tech from early 2023 absolutely crushes a late 2024 ”pro” console (a 4070 doubles ps5 pro performance haha)

And nvidia is about to release next gen any month now

Consoles used to be high tech (360, dc, ps2 etc) or at least have original tech (ps3, ps2, gamecube, 360 etc)

now 5 year old pc mid range cpu and gpu tech… sold as ”pro”.. yeah right

yeah not so much, when every other release is a stuttering, stumbling afterthought of a pc port, regardless of how much money you throw at your build

 

[XXL]

The PC salty race need to chill out.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[XXL]

 

[sncvsrtoip]

Another sony console looking to be bandwidth limitated, if I see ps6 specs with 256 bit bus and without big cache I will not be that surprised but this time I think will pass

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Future proof with CPU architecture from 5 years ago … solid

They really needed to beef up the cpu, games do get cpu bound too...

 

[Bojji]

You live and troll these Pro threads.

Pretty sad you are.

Troll with what? Information?

What the fuck are you smoking?

Everything is attack to you, you and your friends were hyping this thing like second coming of Jesus: 33TF, 4070 super power level, rt on level of 7900xtx. And when I said something that was actually close to real performance of this thing I was "trolling" and "attacking".

Guess what? It was never gonna perform like you wished.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Troll with what? Information?

What the fuck are you smoking?

Everything is attack to you, you and your friends were hyping this thing like second coming of Jesus: 33TF, 4070 super power level, rt on level of 7900xtx. And when I said something that was actually close to real performance of this thing I was "trolling" and "attacking".

Guess what? It was never gonna perform like you wished.

I thought you living in Pro threads and nonstop trolling was pretty sad but now you cowardly play dumb instead of manning up and admitting what you clearly do.

Sad

 

[saintjules]

Im kind of excited to give Horizon Forbidden West a go too. The DF team really made that sound impressive.

Yeah John was saying that it was probably the best looking game ever made on Console and that it compares to a high end PC game.

Other notable mentions are Metaphor now being locked at 60fps and Stellar Blade also removing any issues with framerate and what not under PSSR.

Gonna be great to play these on my 77" B3.

 

[saintjules]

Are you ok?

Buster Wolf?

 

[saintjules]

Bro. Just stop.

They think that by us paying for this at the price where it's at with no disc drive it will be an incentive for Sony to make this the norm for the next generations of Playstation. That's the reason for them trying to derail people.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

They think that by us paying for this at the price where it's at with no disc drive it will be an incentive for Sony to make this the norm for the next generations of Playstation. That's the reason for them trying to derail people.

PS6 will undoubtedly not include a disc drive. It will only be an accessory

$699 PS6 would also not surprise me

 

[Kangx]

This or Horizon Forbidden West as the best complete package on consoles which include image quality, graphics and motion clarity?

 

[MikeM]

Finally, a console that draws more power than the launch PS3 lol (weird that the slim uses more power than the launch PS5 model too)

Honestly, this is pretty dire. £700 for ~30% extra performance is disappointing. They really should have improved the CPU.

Real win for me is better FPS but mainly PSSR. Fuck console FSR- kill it with fire.

 

[iamvin22]

Future proof with CPU architecture from 5 years ago … solid

Didn't read.

 

[scydrex]

so?

It just proves that mid range tech from early 2023 absolutely crushes a late 2024 ”pro” console (a 4070 doubles ps5 pro performance haha)

And nvidia is about to release next gen any month now

Consoles used to be high tech (360, dc, ps2 etc) or at least have original tech (ps3, ps2, gamecube, 360 etc)

now 5 year old pc mid range cpu and gpu tech… sold as ”pro”.. yeah right

So the Pro has to beat a $600 GPU alone. Ok

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Finally, a console that draws more power than the launch PS3 lol (weird that the slim uses more power than the launch PS5 model too)

Honestly, this is pretty dire. £700 for ~30% extra performance is disappointing. They really should have improved the CPU.

It’s not 30% extra performance though when a proper Pro mode utilizes AI….just look at stuff like DS, HFW, or TLOU….

What was 30 fps on base PS5 is now 60 fps with even sharper image quality

If it was only 30% nobody would bother

 

[TehGoomba7s]

The sheer amount of insecure pc retards in every thread is straight hilarious. Complaining so much about it and how great their PC is yet all they do is browse a forum and complain lmao

 

[saintjules]

PS6 will undoubtedly not include a disc drive. It will only be an accessory

$699 PS6 would also not surprise me

Agreed. They're gonna have to really talk some major selling points to sell people on it, apart it from being just a next-gen console. And I guess by selling the Pro as they are, they are collecting that data now in preparation.

 

[MaKTaiL]

Agreed. They're gonna have to really talk some major selling points to sell people on it, apart it from being just a next-gen console. And I guess by selling the Pro as they are, they are collecting that data now in preparation.

I couldn't care less about disc drive. It will sell fine.

 

[ChiefDada]

AI is not magic. Everyone who games on PCs knows this. you need raw GPU power on top of AI upscaling. 45% more power gets you from 720p to 900p at best. they are using 864p which is maybe 35% more raw pixels. just not enough.

 

[ap_puff]

Future proof with CPU architecture from 5 years ago … solid

I'll pay $700 just to not have to see FSR used anymore

 

[SKYF@ll]

What interested me most about the DF review was the power consumption.
The PS5 Pro has improved watt performance with a 4-5nm SOC, but the actual power consumption of 210-240W seemed low compared to the 390W power supply it comes with.
I'd like to know how much power it consumes when playing GT7 at 4K/120.
I'm sure there will be games in the future that use more than 250W of power in Pro Enhanced.

 

[SlimySnake]

its just math.