I don't think we'll see many of those on the Switch anyway.
Digital Foundry: Nintendo Switch CPU and GPU clock speeds revealed
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I don't think we'll see many of those on the Switch anyway.
With lots of nice things taken out like good AA, good shadows, changed LoD etc, but yes, I'm hopeful it can be pulled out if there is the business will to do it.
To be fair, I think there's a good chance that was before these official clock speeds got sent to developers.
It doesn't change anything. The people doing the port would still have had to deal with these clock speeds, as they knew what their targets were and or had dev kits.
The rumor is that they got the game running at an acceptable level, whatever that means, and that From was considering going forward.
This news has no bearing on that rumor.
Mikey Jr.
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Here we go. Of course ps4 has no games as usual. Only cod and fifa.
While the wiiu revolutionized gaming.
Games is all that matters
And January 12 is almost here. You care about specs, make your own pc. Even the ps4 pro is outdated by now.
The switch has something as beautiful and big as breath of the wild running on it, we even got Mario kart 8 on wii u, and that also looked great, and we know the switch is more powerful than the wii u.
Being able to take it on the go and playing games on the big screen is very appealing.
We should not be jumping the gun.
Everything about the switch seems great so far, not sure why people had unrealistic expectations for the power.
And January 12 is almost here. You care about specs, make your own pc. Even the ps4 pro is outdated by now.
The switch has something as beautiful and big as breath of the wild running on it, we even got Mario kart 8 on wii u, and that also looked great, and we know the switch is more powerful than the wii u.
Being able to take it on the go and playing games on the big screen is very appealing.
We should not be jumping the gun.
Everything about the switch seems great so far, not sure why people had unrealistic expectations for the power.
Dev kits were an overclocked X1. This appears to be less powerful than that if I understand things correctly.
Guardian Monkey
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Lol why?
"Even a 307.2MHz GPU based on Maxwell technology should be capable of out-performing Wii U - and certainly the Zelda: Breath of the Wild demo seen recently on the Jimmy Fallon show revealed a level of performance significantly smoother than that seen in last year's E3 code running on Wii U hardware. We should also remember that Nvidia has produced a bespoke software layer that should allow developers to get much, much more from the processor compared to what we've seen Tegra achieve in the Android-powered Shield console."
They still had it running, so what does that change?
Running to a level considered acceptable by From Soft so who knows what that means.
QuantumZebra
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I'd step off the ledge a bit here, sheesh
But on the power-side... are we takling Vita levels here?
I don't disagree - but let's not dive headfirst into hyperbole here - PS4 has a ton of amazing exclusives and is worth way beyond "CoD and FIFA"
I think this is my thought as well. I just hope that the premise of a portable dark souls isn't dead. I'd love to play that game curled up in bed.
Never was confirmed overclocked only speculated because of fan.
But we don't have the full figure yet. Actually, the only info that could give us a firm indication is wether or not the devkits are representative of the final power.
That would be something nice to have from our insiders...
But still, they have room for improvement, they would choose Pascal and go 16nm process for instances, that way they would increase the clock rate without heat concerns.
Compared to PS4/One versions of games, not the Wii U.
Guardian Monkey
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I don't think they could've had the price it needed. This thing has to be $250 or less to get out the door.
Edit: And Nintendo does not sell video game consoles at losses.
Schnozberry
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The idea that they were overclocked was inferred by people here on GAF because early dev kits had a "noisy internal fan" according to the Eurogamer sources earlier this year. That's what fueled early speculation by people here and Data Foundry themselves that the Tegra X1 may be a placeholder for another chip.
We never got confirmation of it, but the fact that the unit is actively cooled and runs clocked this low is pretty peculiar. Hopefully someone is able to explain it adequately at some point.
Well to be honest we have no idea. We also only have a small part of the picture from this one report. It is possible the dev kits were right in line with final product. I wouldn't jump to any conclusions or assumptions.
We'll know more soon enough. Nintendo really has goofed up the messaging with the core consumer haven't they?
Guardian Monkey
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PdotMichael
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We never knew the clock speeds of any components in the dev kits.
Schnozberry
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Nintendo's goof has been letting leaks direct the conversation online. Hopefully all that ends in January.
This. This is the absolute killer app of the system. Sure, you'll have some Nintendo teams helping out with mobile games and whatnot, but with the Switch you're basically getting Nintendo's entire arsenal of handheld and console teams working on one system. Whether third-parties are on board or not, I'm confident Nintendo alone will be able to get the system through any potential software droughts.
This is the most excited I've ever been for a Nintendo system. I love good specs and I love the idea of being able to buy third-party games on a Nintendo system, but ever since the Switch was revealed to be a hybrid I felt that would push a lot of them away regardless. At the end of the day, we're getting a classic Nintendo system that will play Nintendo games, and I'm cool with that. I didn't buy a Wii U because of the constant SW droughts, and I stopped playing my Wii in 2010, but the 3DS is a great example of a system that thrives with strong output from first-party software and I expect the Switch to expand upon that greatly.
I don't know. Do COD and NBA2k render at 1080p on Xbone?
I hate this viewpoint. 150 GFlops is simply embarrassing in a year where a 6000 GFlop home console is also being released. The Switch isn't capable of running 2017 to 2020 third party games at a remotely acceptable level. And what will happen when 12000 GFlop consoles come out in 2020/2021?
Guardian Monkey
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The core consumer just wants to plug in the game and have it work. I don't think they give a damn about gigaflops or teraflops.
I'm excited by the portability of the console, but I'm going to hold off on pre-ordering. Nintendo needs to show me that the Switch will have a healthy amount of third party titles. If it ain't running games like Madden, Call of Duty, Titanfall 2, Battlefield 1, etc. this is a no buy for me. I have a Wii U so I can still play Zelda Breath of the Wild on that. I'm not buying another Nintendo console again just to play Nintendo games.
In the technical thread speculation is the fan is there because Nintendo choose a 28nm nodule, it's there more likely to make up for the gap with newer process (16nm) more than giving the console a boost in clock rates.
I think Switch just needs to be viewed as the next portable Nintendo system that happens to connect to your TV and not as a console in any aspect. If you view it that way it becomes a lot easier to accept these specs. My only hope (which is probably wishful thinking) is a more capable and 'traditional' home console is coming from Nintendo at some point in the future.
Guardian Monkey
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The same thing people of been doing for the past 15 to 20 years. Played on one of the more powerful consuls for multi platform games. I think everyone can get past the idea that Nintendo is not going to have an all-in-one solution. That dream is done gamecube was the last hope of that.
That would be garbage. Less power and less battery life... Is there any upside at all?
The Switch is far more attractive proposition than both the 3DS and Wii U. I still except them to disappoint me somehow down the line.
Guardian Monkey
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$$cost$$
Mikey Jr.
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No fucking way it's running bf1. Maybe bf1 with like 20 people servers max. I can't see this tablet running 64 man servers.
CoD IW
which should be similar to the technique used by Ubisoft for R6.
Not sure about NBA, although maybe that's 900p on the Xbox One?
The docked console is 393gflops. 157gflops on a modern architecture with modern APIs, fp16, a "decent" CPU and much more RAM should still be able to outperform last gen consoles, which isn't that bad for a portable. But comparing it to the at least 400$ Xbox Scorpio, a premium console that will target 4K, doesn't even begin to make sense. No matter how bad its hardware is, you can't compare apples to oranges.
Schnozberry
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It's equally embarrassing to dogmatically require that all games consoles play the same games and target the same audience. There is only so much room there.
If the final version of the Switch doesn't need a fan, while in mobile mode, and the older Devkit had one, this could mean the finall chip is the Pascal or a close version to it. We're all sure, if Nintendo would use the Pascal, they would always choose the 25% in power-saving and not for performance boost. So the Pascal (or something similar) made the fan maybe unnecessary, but still didn't add anything to overall performance.
The Switch still has some questionmarks.
Cost for us or cost for Nintendo. We already have rumours pegging this at a higher price than the Shield devices.
Exactly.
lensoftruth
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There's 6000GFlop portable coming out?
If the devkits had even a standard TX1 it was quite a bit more powerful than these specs.
Interfectum
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It's not the size of the GFlop that matters, it's what you do with it, right... right? :/
Shikamaru Ninja
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Not only did the Nintendo market this as a "portable console" or "home console with portability", but the initial line up of games are all primarily console iterations. It's not like they've mentioned or even shown Rhythm Tengoku, WarioWare, Pokemon, Brain Age, Puzzle League or these franchises that you associate with portable gaming yet.
Honestly, I think if anything this is a Wii U 2. It really is. Not saying it's a bad thing, but just that this is the realized concept.
Switch supports UE4 and Unity natively without weird architectural bottlenecks. Ports technically would be easy as long as they're optimized for Switch's limitations.
Guardian Monkey
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Technically anything is possible in software development. You just need to make sacrifices and really want to put money behind it.
They sold the WiiU for a lose.
More consolidated process-technology, maybe, or a good deal from nVidia... We don't know, of course all is just speculation.
Toadthemushroom
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I really liked what Ben Thompson wrote about Switch on his site, Stratechery, and this part is definitely true to me:
I would happily pay the difference between a Switch with year-old-best-in-class internals and a Switch with right-now-best-in-class internals.
Ben Thompson said:
I would happily pay the difference between a Switch with year-old-best-in-class internals and a Switch with right-now-best-in-class internals.
Vanillalite
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Even if the Dev Kits aren't overclocked this still seems to be severely under clocked especially in portable mode compared to stock X1.
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