jonscrambler
Member
I guess you didn't even read the article, it's comparing PS4 footage to PC footage. People discussing PS4 vs PC in this thread are very much on topic because... it's what the whole article talks about.
Digital Foundry Tech Analysis: Watch Dogs on PlayStation 4
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I guess you didn't even read the article, it's comparing PS4 footage to PC footage. People discussing PS4 vs PC in this thread are very much on topic because... it's what the whole article talks about.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
I interpreted the article as a comparison of a PC supposedly rigged to run with a similar specs to a PS4 running a build of the game vs. a build of the game running on an actual PS4, not a PS4 vs. PC comparison.
To be fair, in the article, there were references stating this build running on an actual PS4 showed a lack of sheen compare with that found when they saw a build running on a PC. I can see how PC is in the discussion.
Still, I don't see it needing to turn into PS4 vs. PC discussion.
JonathanPower
Member
This is the problem, it's not exactly PS4 footage. If it's running on a dev kit that does not have final PS4 hardware, then it means it's basically running on a PC that emulates PS4 specs. Let's wait to see how the final game runs on actual PS4 hardware before jumping to conclusions.
OldAsUrSock
Banned
Coding to the metal = double the performance. 1.85 TFlops + coding to the metal = 3.7Tflops
Not deluded just misinformed or lack of knowledge on the more specifics of the hardware.
Yes, and I did.
Yes, sub-hd + post AA and you will.
OT
I think Digital Foundry should have waited a bit longer or should have made it more known that this is early.
TheRagnCajun
Member
I don't know. I actually had the 7800 when it came out, but I had to upgrade 4 years ago. It just wasn't keeping up once fallout 3 launched.
Generally a game won't look vastly different if it has to go gold in 5 months.
It also tells us what frame rate they're targeting, even if it doesn't give us final consistency.
Brofist
Member
This. People seem to really expect miracles in the last few months of a game's development.
Can't wait to see that 60fps Drive Club when it's released.
AgentP
Thinks mods influence posters politics. Promoted to QAnon Editor.
I doubt anyone is using an alpha dev kit. Dev kits with PS4 hardware went out in early this year.
maplelord93
Banned
I'm not expecting vast differences, but isn't the case different with launch titles since developers don't have access to final devkits till very late in the development cycle?
While not having final development kits does tend to impact development of launch titles, usually it's more in the nature of "these titles are decidedly more conservative visually" than "there were gigantic visual upgrades right before launch", though the latter isn't unheard of.
I mean even just compare Infamous to everything slated for launch and there is a nice gap between it and most things coming out only 3-5 months earlier, probably because it's significantly less bad if they run into a technological snag and have to delay than it is for a launch title which has to sell the system from day one.
We don't know how current these builds are though. Guerilla's E3 Killzone demo was ~6 month old pre-alpha code. Same deal with DriveClub. You're talking 8-9 months of development still on the table there.
Yeah fuckin right you did. A $400 PC would be a piece of shit.
Please describe this $400 PC that's better than PS4. If it's legit, I will definitely buy it (I've been wanting to get into PC gaming anyway).
childplease
Banned
Amds jaguar isnt faster than the slowest i5 of 3 or 4 years ago.
Correct me if I am wrong but arent netbook cpus better ?
airmangataosenai
Member
Modeling and art are pretty much set yes, but framerate and image quality are the focus for improvement during optimization.
qa_engineer
Member
From what i understand Jaguar is essentially a low end ultrabook CPU core. the configuration in both consoles has a higher core count than what will be available on the market.
What? This defies reality in every conceivable way.
Architecture is for tablets/netbooks. With 8 cores, laptop at best.
Dark Octave
Banned
I can't wait.
He meant for it to. He's one of you.
jonscrambler
Member
AMD FX-8120 is an 8 core CPU running at 3.1 Ghz, it can't even beat 4 core i5's.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/the-bulldozer-review-amd-fx8150-tested/8
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/the-bulldozer-review-amd-fx8150-tested/8
Well, not really 8 cores. But to be fair to AMD, they're far better than Intel at equal price classes.
1st Course
Member
My post from 4 pages ago:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=70334261&postcount=164
Assuming that devs will code for 8-6 cores, PS4 CPU should have no trouble keeping up with the GPU.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
I hope they can get the framerate ironed out by release.
Captain Tuttle
Member
Totally agree. 30 fps is the least of this game's problems
Let's not get crazy now
This is a multiplat and cross-gen title. Why in the world would the devs go through the trouble of coding to the metal?
OldAsUrSock
Banned
I was joking. I do that a lot.
Wait till Christmas time. Microcenter has amazing deals.
iceatcs
Junior Member
Don't forgot you have to buy Windows too. I alway forgot it after saving up.
dummydecoy
Member
It's Ubisoft, guys. Franchise is going to play and run like shit eventually, just like POP, just like AC.
phosphor112
Banned
I call bullshit. Post the specs and the prices you bought it at.
So you can't post one now? The one yous said you bought/built?
You can't build a PC with equal or greater specs for it's price.
BlastProcessing
Member
I built a budget gaming PC last Christmas time and felt happy getting it under $600. How, pray tell, did you build one for under $400?
Is it just me finding a negative undertone in nearly every df ps4 article so far?. There headlines for the ps4 and xboxone articles at e3 were a little suspect too. I just dont see the point in these articles this early, it just doesnt make much sense to me. I guess they gotta pump out something in this drought.
phosphor112
Banned
He can't. Fact of the matter is that consoles are subsidized, so you get better hardware for your money.
Sorry but that is complete bullshit what ghast said nor GTX680 is mid range card. It is expensive card even now. Just because Titan was released breaking all consumer GPU prices records it doesn't make GTX680 mid range card nor affordable card.
My mid range PC which is q9300(@3.00GHz) with HD6870 won't be able to run PS4 games at same quality nor probably i will be able to play new games @ 1080p.
In direct future i plan to switch to probably i5 which is still expensive CPU and HD9xxx mir or top GPU and that will cost me much more than price of console without mobo which i will need to change, ram and other stuff.
not_so_special
Banned
everytime someone tell me about these "cheap gaming pcs" i ask them about their rigs...and titans..gtx 680 sli are the responses...
hemtae
Member
Eh, wasn't a 480 considered midrange when the 680 came out? I think he's saying that a 680 will be mid-range when the Maxwell cards come out.
iamshadowlark
Banned
Man every thread its the same nonsense. Bleh,
alexandros
Banned
Digital Foundry have been doing these technical analyses and comparisons for a long time. They know how to phrase them so as not to anger various fanboys. If you read some comparisons you'll see that the differences are always "slight" or "mild" or "a bit", even when you can tell from the videos that there's a clear gap. Give them some credit at least!
I'm not blaming anyone, every opinion is valid as far as I'm concerned.
You're welcome. One would think that on a gaming forum, which by defaut is populated by hardcore gamers, such issues would be prevalent. After all, some people seem more than happy to discuss the power gap between PS4 and XB1 at length, even though it's miniscule compared to the one between a PS4 and a gaming PC. This couldn't be a case of shifting goalposts, could it?
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
If you have to build a poverty-PC the best thing to do is find a decent, cheap pre-built and stick a nice mid range GPU in it. But (most) people aren't building poverty-PCs to try to match or replace a next gen console. If it can keep up then that's great but one doesn't replace the other because of things like exclusives, graphics options and m/kb support.
I think PC and next gen console gamers will be pretty happy with how Watch Dogs looks and runs. Current gen console owners will be the ones getting screwed over.
travisbickle
Member
So you're telling me there's a performance difference between 2 hardwares that have a disparity of power?
But there won't be a difference between Xbox one and ps4, right guys?
But there won't be a difference between Xbox one and ps4, right guys?
Gemüsepizza
Member
Clear gap in what? Effects? Resolution? AA/AF? Lighting? "Slightly less refined" is a bullshit statement, but you know that.
Can you please explain what the fuck "a gaming PC" is? Thanks. You probably shouldn't look at the steam surveys btw. I think they will shatter your image of "gaming PCs".
alexandros
Banned
Gemüsepizza;70538246 said:
They do point out some of the differences in the article.
Gemüsepizza;70538246 said:
Any PC with a decent CPU and a gaming-grade graphics card.
Gemüsepizza
Member
What is a "gaming-grade graphics card"? Why can't you just be honest and say that you are talking about PCs here which do cost considerably more than 1000€? And now you are telling us these PCs are more powerful than the PS4? No shit. People are comparing the PS4 with the X1 because their costs are actually comparable.
iamshadowlark
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Gemüsepizza;70538246 said:
Thats the key differentiatior. And the point where the goal posts move. If you want to define it as the average PC power level that people play PCs games at, the specs become alot less exotic and less impressive. If you want to define it as a level that certain gaffers may game at, that overall represents a smaller sector of the market the results start to obviously get lopsided.
I don't get the point of the criticism among the ps4 or Xbone specs and championing the PC tech, i have a PC that destroys the ps4 in every way possible looking at the raw power and i pre-ordered a ps4 and i'm happy with that, i'm happy of playing games on the PC at 1440p and i'm happy of playing games on the PS3 at sub HD 30fps, the upgrade in the console space is welcome, is all about playing games on the platform you can, is on PC at 2xxx resolution, more power to you, is in console at better res and better iq than current gen more power to you, is on ps3 at sub HD and you enjoy the game? I'm fine with that, comparing downplaying championing one platform vs another is a silly discussion, i think everyone here knows the pros and the cons of console vs PC.
alexandros
Banned
Gemüsepizza;70539036 said:
It's not about honesty, it's about the fact that we don't know the kind of graphics power that will be available towards the end of the year when these consoles are going to launch. If you want a rough estimate right now, I think something like the Nvidia 760 Ti should be the minimum for a modern PC.
Bu bu but it's Evolution they always fix and polish there games in the last three weeks (except they don't but just let people people GAF myths).
JonathanPower
Member
And I dubt anyone at this point is wasting time making demos with more recent code when they are so busy working on finishing their games. Thus, it would not be strage if the demo they saw was an alpha bulid running on alpha hardware.
LowEndTorque
Member
Bahaha. Oh man, you have wayyy too much invested in this.
*goes back to happily enjoying games of the generation TLoU, Demon's Souls and Red Dead Redemption, being excited for PS4, and not paying attention to what's going on in the world of PC gaming due to sincerely not giving a shit.*