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60fps quality mode alone is worth every penny because 30fps on OLED is not the same 30fps on LCD.
It isn't a good upgrade and that's just cope on your part. A slight bump in IQ is not an "excellent" upgrade. What kind of joke is this? If you were trying to sell the Pro to anyone over the PS5, you would NOT use this game.
No, it's not "far more". The textures are also the same with the Pro resolving them better since it holds a slightly higher resolution. Even John, who gushes over this game, calls the LOD "slightly improved". Know what would have a been nice upgrade? To improve the mid-field terrain details that are lacking as John points out.
And 60 fps at quality settings? lol
Same as TLOU Part II. Higher resolution resolves more details. The textures are the same.
It's just amazing to see those so called 'pc master race' suddenly become blinded when it comes to a ps5 pro comparison
And I completely disagree with this because the game looks like garbage without RTGI.
But even pro quality mode doesn't improve on those details right? They are likely hitting some ceiling/bottleneck there, either in the engine or the hardware. Overall, yeah, it's a pretty mid upgrade. Looks fantastic thoughNo, it's not "far more". The textures are also the same with the Pro resolving them better since it holds a slightly higher resolution. Even John, who gushes over this game, calls the LOD "slightly improved". Know what would have a been nice upgrade? To improve the mid-field terrain details that are lacking as John points out.
As far as upgrades go, this is mediocre. Rift Apart, AC Shadows, Callisto Protocol, RE4R, Spider-Man 2, F1 24, GT7, and Stellar Blade, are all much better upgrades. This goes on the list of bare minimums. It's great that the base PS5 version shines, but it's also a shame that the Pro doesn't do much over it. And note, I didn't mention FF7R or Alan Wake 2 because those games look like turds on the base PS5. I used games that are already competent on the base console and are further enhanced with the Pro.
It's just amazing to see those so called 'pc master race' suddenly become blinded when it comes to a ps5 pro comparison
And no, AC shadows is not a great pro upgrade because pr5 pro performance mode is far inferior to the normal PS5 quality mode as it runs at much lower res with hair physics turned off. It certainly didn't deliver 'the quality mode in 60fps' pro premise and that is what I'd call a mediocre upgrade.
Before Pro released everybody here complained about having to choose between IQ and Frame-Rate
They release a console that solved that
"They look the same, they just doubled the frame-rate"
ps5 pro can't magically fix some developers laziness...
there's also possibility that ps5 is not fully utilized with its quality mode
I beg to disagree. In all honesty I preferred 60 fps mode over any other mode in AC Shadows. Hair physics in gameplay aren't that big deal, not sure why people are so obsessed about it. And PSSR is so good there, the quality mode setting aren't that worthy upgrade to prefer over 60 fps mode.
It's just amazing to see those so called 'pc master race' suddenly become blinded when it comes to a ps5 pro comparison
And no, AC shadows is not a great pro upgrade because pr5 pro performance mode is far inferior to the normal PS5 quality mode as it runs at much lower res with hair physics turned off. It certainly didn't deliver 'the quality mode in 60fps' pro premise and that is what I'd call a mediocre upgrade.
Same as TLOU Part II. Higher resolution resolves more details. The textures are the same.
And I completely disagree with this because the game looks like garbage without RTGI.
Are you seriously going to tell me the zoomed in shots you used are more significant than just glancing at the game and knowing you're playing the PS5 version? Come on.
ac shadows is quite demanding on pc.The difference in TLOU comes from the TAA blur vs sharpness of PSSR at motion, so it's not just the textures but the overall image clarity is vastly higher on pro.
On DS2, entire normal map of leather texture had just disappeared on ps5
texture quality just don't parallel with the image clarity as it's so much blurrier.
Just look at the text , do you seriously believe that it's caused by just a 'slight' res bump?
and it is clearly visible without any zoom
hell it's even clearly visible at quarter res
As for AC shadows, I stand with my point. ps5 pro supposed to run ps5 quality mode 60fps which AC shadows failed to do.
So I see it as a disappointment.
Maybe AC shadows has much less head room than DS2, so that it couldn't do the quality in 60fps as DS2 does, but it's not problem.
Apparently not, which is kind of a bummer. Just playing Indy letterboxed (well, for a little under an hour now, then DS2 it is), and even if the settings/IQ/framerate would be identical (I don't know, haven't tried it otherwise), it feels appropriate for the game. Would feel appropriate for DS2 as well. I guess we'll have to wait for the inevitable Director's Cut.
I wouldn't take Cerny words literally... expect the same identical setting of quality mode of ps5 base at 60 fps on ps5 pro not seems realistic to me. I don't know any game who did it. If I remember right, Cerny said something about blurred the line between 60 fps and 30 fps quality mode on ps5 pro which means something closer not the exact same setting if I can say. And AC Shadows achieve it in a very appreciable way (I own it).The difference in TLOU comes from the TAA blur vs sharpness of PSSR at motion, so it's not just the textures but the overall image clarity that is vastly higher on pro.
On DS2, entire normal map of leather texture had just disappeared on ps5
texture quality just don't parallel with the image clarity as it's so much blurrier.
Just look at the text , do you seriously believe that it's caused by just a 'slight' res bump?
and it is clearly visible without any zoom
hell it's even clearly visible at quarter res
As for AC shadows, I stand with my point. ps5 pro supposed to run ps5 quality mode 60fps which AC shadows failed to do.
So I see it as a disappointment.
Maybe AC shadows has much less head room than DS2, so that it couldn't do the quality in 60fps as DS2 does, but it's not problem.
I mean not a big fan of Kojima Studio tech skills and it seems just some selective boost in texture and LOD here and there. But it's just my opinion.But that's what DS2 delivers so I think it's an excellent pro upgrade
You mean like this?
Those words Cerny said aren't gospel, nor a slogan. He stated that one of the objectives was to remove the choice or at least remove the divide, so I don't see why you guys keep bringing this up, especially when it's entirely dependent upon the difference between the quality and performance mode on the base PS5 anyway. In some instances like in FF7R, the quality difference is enormous. In other games like DS2, the main different is really just IQ, but the performance mode still has good IQ anyway. As a result, the Pro performance mode won't be a massive improvement over even the PS5 performance mode, since the latter is good anyway.
Tell me this, if you had a regular PS5 and PS5 Pro and was allowed to pick only ONE game for each (ACS or DS2), what would the combination be?
and why should that happen anyways? especially on the main character textures. ps5 pro literally only has 1 GB more memory. that's 12.5 GB budget versus 13.5 GB budget. these people mean to tell me that ps5 is so vram limited that it has to use lesser quality textures on the literal main character? it makes no sense. i do not see this kind of a difference on main characters with 7 GB buffer in games that are optimized for 10 or 12.5 GB buffer. when a system is VRAM limited, most games are smart and often start reducing texture quality on things that are in the distance. and no one can convince me PS5 is VRAM limited in this game anyways
Probably because base ps5 can't handle steady 60 fps with more higher res texture? Where is the crazyness? It has also less bandwith.
So DS2 on the Pro and ACS on the regular PS5. In that situation, you'd be stuck with ACS at 30fps or in Performance Mode, which looks way worse than Quality Mode. Or you could get DS2 on PS5 that still looks great, and ACS with RTGI and 60fps that looks MUCH better than the Performance Mode on regular PS5.It would be DS2 on pro of course, as I'd rather take one definitive experience over 2 half assed ones
And why couldn't it handle higher textures at a steady 60fps unless its VRAM started running out?
And this is DF's opinion
You know how work the engine? More bandwidth and RAM could allow of some graphic setting upgrade. Just depending of the engine.
Do you?
Sure, but this has never been a thing for texture quality. A system with a larger frame buffer will allow for better textures than a system with a lower frame buffer but more bandwidth. Your only bottleneck when it comes to texture quality/resolution is the amount of VRAM available. Bandwidth can make a difference, but it would have to be like 2 generational gaps, say GDDR5 vs GDDR7 or even more.
