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It's already surpasssed that lmao
Digital Foundry: The Last of Us Part 2 PC Review - We're Disappointed - Analysis + Optimised Settings
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It's already surpasssed that lmao
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
I never said my opinion on the game. In fact, I don't really have one. I'm not a fan of the series and I'm not starting now.
If it's a PC showcase, how come people weren't buying it? I didn't say no games push high end PCs, I was specific to say a showcase, which maybe I need to explain to you is a game that doesn't only push the hardware but is a tentpole on the platform.
A game like Metal Gear Solid 2 or FFX for example on PS2.
Your example of Hogwarts Legacy would have made more sense if it was as technical a marvel as some of the other games you mentioned and more importantly for this conversation, Alex slighted most of those games too.
You're non-stop in warrior mode and think others are as well.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
No, this is just moving the goalposts. How come people aren't buying it? Last I checked, people bought the game on PC, or are you the one who arbitrarily decides how many copies a game must sell to be a showcase? Whether a game sells or not is irrelevant. A showcase is simply something displaying the capabilities of a product.
AKA great looking games that show what the system is capable of.
Yet you're the one who took offense to the DF video, brought up the Pro, and then downplayed the 5090. Your posts are some of the most ironic on the site. It's downright comical.
Totally not a console warrior going at it.
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willothedog
Member
shipping with DLLS(FG) 3.7, fucking amateurs at least they updated directstorge unlike Capcom did with WIlds.
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Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Your lack of comprehension isn't moving the goalposts.
You literally named Hogwarts Legacy as a showcase as if Hogwarts Legacy looks better than TLOUP2. Spoiler... it doesn't.
See above.
I never downplayed the 5090. Please quote exactly where I downplay it. This says so much about your warring that you see any commentary as a slight against something.
The Witcher 4 for example could very easily be a 5090 showcase and I don't think anyone would say otherwise.
See above.
Physiognomonics
Member
Oh yes the typical PS4 and PS5 punch above their weight meh it's just a bad PC port! So good to watch.
PS4 runs the game at 30fps, not 80-90fps like on PS5.
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Zacfoldor
Member
So like most PC ports then?
yamaci17
Member
they're really not comparable, but hogwarts castle's graphics are incredible at high settings and it is actually somewhat demanding to run
it doesn't have to look better than tlou part 2. but it is impressive how great it looks for it being an open world game and having a big castle full of details and NPCs and full of activities, something last of us part 2 also lacks
being able to run that game with ray tracing, ray reconstruction at 4k on a 5090 will make the game look amazing compared to what you have on ps4, ps5 or a mid PC
he probably gave it as an example because it is one of the few games that have ray reconstruction and it looks great (finally fixed a lot of ray tracing problems the game had). as such it is indeed a showcase of what 5090 can do
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Denton
Member
Fuck off. Even when port is not 100% angelic magic fairy dust, it can usually be made to work better. And we need these games to be available on an open platform instead of being stuck in walled garden prison forever.
Plus, even in the DF video it is clear that if you lock framerate to 60, the game runs fine for the most part and any small remaining issues can be fixed post-launch. This is much better situation than TLOU1 (which has been fixed and is great now).
viveks86
Member
Fine. Lol. If I'm starting a new initiative and acquiring a company to do it, I'll shoot for the stars. But realistically, my goal would be to hit 5-10 million in sales for each of the block buster games ported to PC. Currently they are less than 2. And I'm seeing 3 reasons, all of them being unforced missteps that they can totally address on their own, if they wanted to:
- Poor marketing. Some of these games just show up with barely any marketing around the PC release. They just put them out there to die.
- Poor quality ports. Even if they are marketed well, the final quality is middling at best and don't scale to what is expected by the market
- Poor choice of games to port. They should be considering the games that PC gamers actually want, instead of their action-adventure genre. Like Bloodborne or Gran Turismo
Killjoy-NL
Banned
And why do you think these 3 points are the case?
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
And you not knowing the definition of words is the problem.
Showcase:
a place or occasion for presenting something favorably to general attention.
"the gallery will provide a showcase for Atlanta's young photographers
That's it. None of the bullshit you made up. A showcase is simply displaying a product in a positive light. Whether it sells or not is utterly irrelevant. Hell, a showcase can even be one before even being released. You added the sales angle because you knew you were spewing garbage.
Where did I name Hogwarts Legacy?
Oh please, stop being dishonest. Your commentary was meant as a slight against the 5090. You'd be crying and bitching if someone said this against the Pro. Even thought you had a mic drop moment, but didn't realize what you said was nonsensical and easily disproven.
And no one is saying otherwise with AC Shadows except for you. Many are even calling the best looking game at the moment or among them.
If a AAA game with a full RT feature set that's one of the best looking ones at the moment isn't a showcase, then nothing is. Oh, wait, it needs to sell an arbitrary number of copies decided by you because of bullshit reasons.
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Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
I was talking PS4 to PS5/PS5Pro.
So you're not "explaining" anything. I already pointed out in another post how data-organization has changed between generations and how that's a significant material change with the potential to create bottlenecks unique.
Just stop, please. I get that you think you're presenting yourself as knowledgeable by parroting phrases like "coding to the metal", but the reality is by offering such a simplistic perspective you're just outing yourself as a person with minimal actual development experience.
There is more to optimizing to a target platform than "go faster". Especially in complex modern titles its often a product of fundamental architectural decisions in the engine pipeline. The result of which being that when transplanted to a different host system, new stress-points and bottle-necks emerge that impact overall performance.
Defecits that cannot be easily be countered without fundamentally changing the entire pipeline; A process that can simply prove impractical due to time, manpower, opportunity cost etc.
viveks86
Member
What you already said. Low effort and quick ROI. I don't disagree with it. I just wish it were more.
I actually don't disagree. And my reaction was to DF's findings before others started reporting ground reality. Now seeing that the port is not that bad, I'm not going to be as dismissive of their strategy. Let's see how the sales and CCU numbers are and I hope it does well.
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alabtrosMyster
Member
It still looked pretty close to the PS4 version.
I didn't think they did much beyond uping the res, and recompiling.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
doesn't matter.
If you take cyberpunk and replace every texture with minecraf textures, it won't run faster.
The look of the game is often not correlated to how it runs.
it is a ps5 port indeed. Perhaps moving code from ps4 to ps5 was more involving than we thought
Xbox 360 slim
Member
What do you mean? You don't enjoy lugging around 20 year old consoles to play a few games? (PS3 cough cough)
Xbox 360 slim
Member
How about some of their PS3 exclusives? Why can't we get a GOW collection, resistance, killzone, something?
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
No amount of raytracing is going to make that game a showcase. It's one of the muddiest looking games I've ever seen with really rather poor art direction. I've seen better looking SNES games.
Killjoy-NL
Banned
It's not realistic.
PC and console are very different demographics.
The console-market has a ceiling and with Xbox and PS fighting over the same demographic (and Nintendo having it's own demographic), if they want to increase their marketshare with their console, they have to find different ways to attract new consumers to grow the consolemarket.
The most obvious target would then be PC, but due to it being a very different market and demographic, they won't ever be able to cause a quantum leap of any kind.
So they have to come up with the most logical strategy given these circumstances and it seems to be working so far.
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Another way to attract more people outside the console-space, is through movies/series aimed at non-gamers.
Hence why we see movies like Uncharted and series like TLOU.
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yamaci17
Member
where did you play it?
game is not muddy at all at 4k/dlss quality
this is muddy, huh?
AFBT88
Member
Then why is only TLOU games that are this bad in terms of performance? I mean even if what you say is true, there are still different ways to do PC ports to make them work atleast not that worse than a f**ing PS4 game.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Yeah, because we only look at video games we don't play them. Keep watching DF.
Sorry it was Zathalus who named HL, not you.
Quote me...
That is not at all the narrative I've heard around AC Shadows.
Gp1
Member
Base PS4 has a 1.8 tflop GPU with Jaguar core. My old 1060 used run laps around PS4 pro (tflop per tflop)
3060 has around 3* raw performance of the PS4 pro.
What a fucking joke
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Notice the section you pinpointed has no characters around it. Whether intentional or not, there's a reason for it. The character models look like shit. As does pretty much everything outside the castle.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
looks amazing.
People nowadays (very visible on fucktaa sub) don't know what graphics looked like before taa/dlss and so on.
Shimmering messes of internal texture and subpixel crawling all the time. MSAA could never get rid of that.
They think that clean image is blurry.
No. it's closer to ground truth (so like 8k-16k downsampled).
Or they are used to oversharpened graphics
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
you are out of your mind. Hogwarts legacy looks incredible.
I've taken hundreds of screenshots just on base ps5 playing it...
What were you expecting real people? This is a stylized game.
viveks86
Member
This is where we disagree. I don't think they have placed a big enough bet. Like you said, the PC market is the only relatively unexplored space for them to expand. And they have been playing too safe. Release a GT or a slew of massively successful PS2/PS3/PS4 games and see how it goes. If that doesn't make a dent, then fall back to playing safe. Try a simultaneous release like Helldivers from one of their big studios and see how it goes. If it blows up, place more bets of that type. Otherwise, fall back.
What you call logical, I'm going to call safe. And just to annoy some people here, I'll call it borderline lazy
It's easy to dismiss me as "Oh what do you know about business that Sony doesn't", but what is a gaming forum if not to exchange ideas, even bad ones from fools like me?
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yamaci17
Member
I agree game looks incredible even without ray tracing
but you have to see how much ray tracing and ray reconstruction adds to the game. it is really insane. sadly our 3070s and 3080s just can't do it with transformer DLSS in this game. 30% performance cost. that is why seeing 5090 get 250+ FPS at 4K DLSS with all those settings enabled with only 60 ms latency (nothing with gamepad, really) is a TRUE SHOWCASE for me
you get incredible motion clarity without relying on motion blur, highly playable latency, with incredible visuals
if that is not a showcase, i don't know what is
Zathalus
this is hopefully what you meant? back me up here
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viveks86
Member
Yeah I have no qualms with this. Whatever they have done with Uncharted and TLOU were fantastic bets. Horizon, GoW and GoT, we shall see (a bit skeptical of those).
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
People play AC Shadows. It was the top seller on Steam during its launch. People play this game. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Already done twice.
Or will you enlighten us on this false statement? Black Myth Wukong running at like 1080p with frame gen and no RT on the Pro isn't a showcase on a 5090? Alan Wake 2 that runs at an internal resolution of sub-1080p on the Pro with shit PSSR implementation isn't a showcase on a 5090?
The narrative regarding its visuals? It got almost nothing but universal praise and is widely considered one of the best looking games on the market or at least among the best looking open world games. Whatever the case, pretending that a AAA title with cutting edge visuals, geometry akin to Nanite, RTGI, reflections, and hair strands isn't a showcase on PC is laughable.
Aaron07088
Neo Member
Hogwarts Legacy Ray Tracing causing a lot of stutter especially in castleI agree game looks incredible even without ray tracing
but you have to see how much ray tracing and ray reconstruction adds to the game. it is really insane. sadly our 3070s and 3080s just can't do it with transformer DLSS in this game. 30% performance cost. that is why seeing 5090 get 250+ FPS at 4K DLSS with all those settings enabled with only 60 ms latency (nothing with gamepad, really) is a TRUE SHOWCASE for me
you get incredible motion clarity without relying on motion blur, highly playable latency, with incredible visuals
if that is not a showcase, i don't know what is
yamaci17
Member
that's sadly true, but I think having a crazy high end CPU helps things a bit
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
it is an incredible port to an amazing game.
So much better than if they did another happy go lucky adventure!
Finally a studio that did something and had the balls to commit
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
Whilst it mighten have all the latest whizz bang ray tracing thingmabobs, the level design and art direction is top tier and to this day it still looks absolutely gorgeous
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Who the fuck is out here saying Hogwarts was a muddy looking game?
These are my own "Balanced" mode pics, not even Quality.
These are my own "Balanced" mode pics, not even Quality.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
There is nothing wrong with PC ports tat we have not seen for the entire goddamn industry.
SHIP IT and fix later- hopefully depending on sales otherwise fuck you.
SHIP IT and fix later- hopefully depending on sales otherwise fuck you.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
All I heard was what a flop it was on GAF, not selling enough copies, but now we want to change the narrative?
Except you haven't once...
There is no one on the planet calling Alan Wake 2 a graphical showcase... And BMW as good as it looks isn't a showcase either. I would give you BMW before Alan Wake 2.
Is that what they said in the DF PC review of it?
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Who the fuck is out here saying Hogwarts was a muddy looking game?
These are my own "Balanced" mode pics, not even Quality.
Two more pictures without a single NPC in view... One of the pictures is 50% sky... jesus... and yes, they look muddy as hell.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
No, you've heard multiple angles on Gaf, including people who said it was a hit and people who said it was a flop. Not that it changes the reality that it was a top seller on Steam.
Oh, I did. Why aren't you addressing the post? Please enlighten us on what you meant.
Alan Wake and BMW 2 aren't graphical showcases. Now this is just trolling.
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Self_Destructive
Member
1080p DLAA is not PS4 equivalent settings.
yamaci17
Member
DLAA even with the new model will have 10% performance cost at best
3060 is performing like how a 1060 should perform in a ps4 title
this is really unreasonable
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Mr Moose
Gold Member
And not 30fps.