analog_future
Resident Crybaby
That section is like halfway through the game. I'm 15 minutes in
It's HDR converted to SDR for the screenshots, so the contrast is probably off.
Digital Foundry: The Last of Us Part 2 PC Review - We're Disappointed - Analysis + Optimised Settings
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That section is like halfway through the game. I'm 15 minutes in
It's HDR converted to SDR for the screenshots, so the contrast is probably off.
Holy fucking shit. These assets are from a five year old game designed to run on a base PS4.Image quality is absolutely jaw dropping at 4k/DLAA/max settings:
Holding damn near a locked 120fps so far on my rig as well.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
People also tend to forget data layouts have changed drastically between PS4 and PS5 generations. No longer being bound to the throughput/seek-times of 2.5" laptop drives means that they haven't had to linearize asset-streaming and pad with duplicate data. This is potentially a very impactful change especially when dealing with PC's segregated GPU and System Ram.
As NX gamer pointed out in his genuinely excellent and insightful analysis of MH Wilds, constantly checking data in and out of VRAM tends to thrash PC GPU's no matter how fast they are.
This phenomenon succinctly explains one reason why ports of older titles tend to show more uplift in PC ports than more recent ones.
As NX gamer pointed out in his genuinely excellent and insightful analysis of MH Wilds, constantly checking data in and out of VRAM tends to thrash PC GPU's no matter how fast they are.
This phenomenon succinctly explains one reason why ports of older titles tend to show more uplift in PC ports than more recent ones.
viveks86
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DanielG165
Member
KCD2 isn't the norm these days, unfortunately, hence him saying that he is shocked when there IS a good PC port.
Corporal.Hicks
Member
RTX5090 around 85-115fps at 4K native, 120-140fps with DLSSQ +FG2
Zathalus
Member
Similar PS4 games that have way less performance issues, with a 3060 at PS4 settings able to push north of 80-120fps:
- Ghost of Tsushima
- God of War
- Days Gone
- Horizon Zero Dawn
- Spider Man
A reasonable conclusion would be that not a lot of effort went into optimising this engine for the PC environment. It's "good enough", and retooling the engine from its heavily optimised PS4 origins was probably not worth the time and cost investment.
- Ghost of Tsushima
- God of War
- Days Gone
- Horizon Zero Dawn
- Spider Man
A reasonable conclusion would be that not a lot of effort went into optimising this engine for the PC environment. It's "good enough", and retooling the engine from its heavily optimised PS4 origins was probably not worth the time and cost investment.
DanielG165
Member
Not really a PC problem here.
roosnam1980
Member
Killjoy-NL
Banned
What if that is the entire point?
Not even incompetence, but just minimum effort, grab some extra cash while having the most optimized experienced on PS consoles.
After all, consoles are the core of the business and that's where they want their customers to be.
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viveks86
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Is it really that profitable in the long run though? Seems pretty shortsighted to acquire a porting studio just for cash grabs. Eventually, people will simply stop supporting them due to unoptimized ports and loss of goodwill. Either do it right or don't do it at all seems like the way to go imo
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
No interest in this game the writers don't understand what made the first game good.
T4keD0wN
Member
They've been a bit overrated to begin with imo, their ports were always just competent (aside the memory leaks) which made them stand out at the time, but the situation has changed and nowadays most games have close to no issues since everyone precompiles shaders in advance and ue4 is thankfully dead.
Jetpack (with a tiny team) and the infamous Iron Galaxy both did a far better work with GoW Ragnarok and Uncharted 4 (isn't it the same engine as Tlou?) specifically, 2 of the most stable games ive ever seen.
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Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Here you go.
Yes, AC Shadows, the heavily praised game that has a consensus opinion of being a great game that everyone wants to play on PC. Major success on PC.
Killjoy-NL
Banned
No idea.
Don't know how much they spent on the studio, but their PC ports seem to be rather profitable.
Playstation reportedly made $700+M revenue from PC software sales in FY23.
Starting with Layden, Sony has been pretty clear about their current strategy.
To expand the console installbase, they have to go beyond the console-market to attract more people and lure them onto their consoles.
The added PC revenue is a bonus, PC releases is not the goal.
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DanielG165
Member
Yeah lol, those Jaguar cores and HDD sure were decompressing stuff alright
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Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
I'm dead. That is hilarious.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
yamaci17
Member
traversal stutters in that limited gameplay area. just how?Yeah lol, those Jaguar cores and HDD sure were decompressing stuff alright
like nothing happens there. the quality of textures in that area is so horrible you would think it is made that way so that entire area can be loaded into ps4's 5.5 gb memory budget
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I can agree to a part. It's for sure very cinematic heavy and too long in the middle.
SweetTooth
Banned
TF are you talking about? If a game was coded to the metal on PS5Pro, PS5 will struggle to run it.
Pro is an iterative console aimed to provide enhanced performance of "current" gen games.
Its crazy that we still need to explain this ..
Zathalus
Member
Cyberpunk 2077
Indiana Jones
Alan Wake 2
Black Myth Wukong
Silent Hill 2
Dying Light 2
Witcher 3
Avatar
Star Wars Outlaws
AC Shadows
Hogwarts Legacy
Control
Spider-Man 2
Flight Sim 2024
All of the above games can be very demanding to max out with RT/PT at 4K. Even on a 5090. Plenty of other games that look visually stunning as well that you can use the 5090 to push 120-240 fps.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
A few more 4K/DLAA Transformer model/Max Settings shots to share:
Went ahead and enabled Frame Gen as well to keep that locked 120fps
Went ahead and enabled Frame Gen as well to keep that locked 120fps
CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
Goddamn.A few more 4K/DLAA Transformer model/Max Settings shots to share:
Went ahead and enabled Frame Gen as well to keep that locked 120fps
This looks utterly insane for a PS4 title.
elcapitano
Member
Eh it plays and runs great for.me at least.
Zero complaints
Zero complaints
viveks86
Member
A massive chunk of that was Helldivers and Destiny.
The original strategy was to port old games and do a helluva good job at it so that PC gamers are tempted to get a console for the sequel out of FOMO. But instead, if they are convincing PC gamers to get a console because their PC ports are shit, then yes, mayyyy be it will work. Lol. Though I doubt PC gamers are that easy to convince/manipulate.
Radical_3d
Member
Don't worry PC folk, you ain't missing on anything.
Killjoy-NL
Banned
The thing you're overlooking is that it's a win-win either way.
I'm also pretty sure they know they're not gonna cause a mass exodus from PC to PS.
It's all just extra.
viveks86
Member
Have you played it?
viveks86
Member
I'm just looking at it from a long term business perspective. If I were Playstation, I would be looking for quantum leaps in expanding my reach and revenue. Not incremental "extras". I thought that was their strategy with the PC market, either to massively accelerate software sales... or console sales. But given how it has panned out so far, it clearly is neither.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
It's to have a high ROI with minimal effort on a product that's already a sunk cost developing on console alone, it is clearly doing just that
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Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Alex complained about many of those very same games...
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Rather than make a baseless statement, you should probably look at Sony's financial statements that show the exact opposite..
Killjoy-NL
Banned
So, you made up entirely unrealistic expectations yourself and use that to support your claim that Sony is failing at accomplishing your unrealistic expectations?
viveks86
Member
It's not baseless. I looked at these numbers before commenting. If you adjust these numbers to just account for PC ports, they aren't all that impressive. If you think otherwise, then we can agree to disagree.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
The single player PC strategy is as retarded as it can get.
mayham2199
Member
Well looks like it already beat the 20k mark. This weekend should be higher but that varies from game to game.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Your opinion over how good the game is is immaterial. You said the following:
Considering this runs at sub 1080p on the Pro with lower settings and no reflections in its performance mode, I'd say running at 4K DLSS Quality+higher quality settings, RT reflections, and 70fps+ definitely showcases the performance of a 5090.
Of course, you already knew there are already lots of games pushing even high-end PCs such as Black Myth Wukong, Alan Wake 2, Cyberpunk 2077, Frontiers of Pandora, AC: Shadows, and more, but you felt like being a disingenuous warrior troll.
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Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
It's not baseless. I looked at these numbers before commenting. If you adjust these numbers to just account for PC ports, they aren't all that impressive. If you think otherwise, then we can agree to disagree.
First, their PC strategy isn't JUST about ports. Second, these are great numbers... and massively helps Sony afford what are the most expensive. games to develop in the industry...
Not sure what numbers you're looking for specifically for old ports.
Is that what you game on PC for? For Medium settings?
Killjoy-NL
Banned
The point isn't to impress you.It's not baseless. I looked at these numbers before commenting. If you adjust these numbers to just account for PC ports, they aren't all that impressive. If you think otherwise, then we can agree to disagree.
The point is to have people build their PS libraries and preferably get them to eventually buy a PS.
It doesn't even have to replace PC as their main gamjng platform.
And while they're at it, they'll make some profit with little effort.
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viveks86
Member
It's not baseless. I looked at these numbers before commenting. If you adjust these numbers to just account for PC ports, they aren't all that impressive. If you think otherwise, then we can agree to disagree.
What's so unrealistic about wanting to capture a meaningful chunk of the PC gaming market?
Killjoy-NL
Banned
The "unrealistic" part is you expecting the goal and result to be a "quantum leap".
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