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[Jonboy]

Bungie confirms Destiny 2's support on PS4 Pro continues to target 30fps, leaving PC the only exponent of 60fps playback. Rich takes a look at the state of PS4 Pro-supported titles so far, where it's clear 4K remains a priority over frame-rate boosts.

- PS4 Pro will get 4K upgrade, but why not focus on 60fps instead?
- 60fps looks and feels better vs 30fps; motion interpolation video showing Destiny 2 running at 60fps
- References Luke Smith and Mark Noseworthy quotes to IGN regarding PS4 Pro power
- Explanation hasn't gone over well, but PS4 Pro spec backs up the argument (2.3x GPU; CPU only 31% boost)
- Those hoping for 60fps on Scorpio are likely to be disappointed for the same reason

- Most basic technological building blocks of the new consoles are geared toward higher resolutions and more stable framerates (not a doubling)
- BF1 is doing a lot of what Bungie attempted to do, but targeting higher framerates
- Even with a game built from the ground up to run at higher framerates, BF1 isn't able to hit a steady 60fps on consoles
- Bungie's core design is based around a 30Hz engine

- PS4 Pro being able to brute force its way to 60fps just isn't something we've seen (only Surge runs at 30 on base hardware and 1080/60 on the Pro)
- Not really fair (in Rich's opinion) to have multiplayer games running at different framerates
- No limitations to stop developers doing this, however (to Rich's knowledge)
- Microsoft has confirmed devs can use the power how they see fit
- Shannon Loftis of MS said: "As a developer, I would bet no one chooses different frame-rates for multiplayer games ever."

- No conspiracy to undermine Pro capabilities by Bungie
- PS4 Pro has always been about higher resolutions, not higher framerates
- Rich is curious to see the method Bungie uses to get PS4 Pro to 4k (native, checkerboard, or upscale)
- Also wants to see Scorpio version fully deliver with 4k
- 60fps is all about the PC version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smn_ZUGK7ZQ

 

[TheExodu5]

Can we get a bit of a summary, for us plebs with limited mobile data?

 

[SocksAndShoes]

Bungie confirms Destiny 2's support on PS4 Pro continues to target 30fps, leaving PC the only exponent of 60fps playback. Rich takes a look at the state of PS4 Pro-supported titles so far, where it's clear 4K remains a priority over frame-rate boosts.

*deep sigh*

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

And another one.

Re-open the flood gates.

Destiny 2 pre-release threads have to be setting a record

 

[Hux1ey]

*deep sigh*

Doubt it will be 4k either.

 

[Zojirushi]

And another one.

Re-open the flood gates.

Destiny 2 pre-release threads have to be setting a record

What about Destiny 2 pre-release thread whine bans though?

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

The cynic in me deep down thinks that MS moneyhatted Bungie to purposely not code the PS4 version to do 60fps so that they could have that exclusivity on the obvious but not yet announced Scorpio version. I hope that's not why, but it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Theorry]

The cynic in me deep down thinks that MS moneyhatted Bungie to purposely not code the PS4 version to do 60fps so that they could have that exclusivity on the obvious but not yet announced Scorpio version. I hope that's not why, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Jesus..

 

[oti]

The cynic in me deep down thinks that MS moneyhatted Bungie to purposely not code the PS4 version to do 60fps so that they could have that exclusivity on the obvious but not yet announced Scorpio version. I hope that's not why, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Maybe you should watch the video. He says 60FPS on Scorpio is unlikely.

 

[Rumblebones]

The cynic in me deep down thinks that MS moneyhatted Bungie to purposely not code the PS4 version to do 60fps so that they could have that exclusivity on the obvious but not yet announced Scorpio version. I hope that's not why, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Christ.

 

[OnionPowder]

*deep sigh*

That's what happens when you don't fix the bottleneck holding back higher framerates.

Not that they easily could have with existing computability.

 

[Drillary Clinton]

The cynic in me deep down thinks that MS moneyhatted Bungie to purposely not code the PS4 version to do 60fps so that they could have that exclusivity on the obvious but not yet announced Scorpio version. I hope that's not why, but it wouldn't surprise me.

You might be a genius

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

The cynic in me deep down thinks that MS moneyhatted Bungie to purposely not code the PS4 version to do 60fps so that they could have that exclusivity on the obvious but not yet announced Scorpio version. I hope that's not why, but it wouldn't surprise me.

This isnt a thing that happens. Especially when sony has the marketing rights anyways.

 

[gtj1092]

Because even if it could there's no way they would have 60fps pro vs 30fps base ps4.

 

[DNAbro]

The cynic in me deep down thinks that MS moneyhatted Bungie to purposely not code the PS4 version to do 60fps so that they could have that exclusivity on the obvious but not yet announced Scorpio version. I hope that's not why, but it wouldn't surprise me.

...

This is a lot dumber than you think.

 

[xxMaximusxx]

2017 and a new PRO system is running a shooter at 30fps. What a joke

 

[hodgy100]

The CPU is a bottleneck, we have known this since the spec reveal of the PS4. Why do you guys repeatedly set yourselves up for disappointment?

 

[Bsigg12]

The cynic in me deep down thinks that MS moneyhatted Bungie to purposely not code the PS4 version to do 60fps so that they could have that exclusivity on the obvious but not yet announced Scorpio version. I hope that's not why, but it wouldn't surprise me.

It's a Sony marketing deal. Also shit like that doesn't happen, if anything Bungie just wants to continue the trend of making sure the image quality is stellar.

 

[franklyshankly]

I thought they already did a video about this a couple days ago?

 

[ch4fx_]

60 fps & 4000 resolution or you're wasting your time. The real game is on PC.

Edit - TRUE 4000

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

Maybe you should watch the video. He says 60FPS on Scorpio is unlikely.

I said i was cynical....i didn't say i was right lol Put your swords away.

 

[Rocketz]

The cynic in me deep down thinks that MS moneyhatted Bungie to purposely not code the PS4 version to do 60fps so that they could have that exclusivity on the obvious but not yet announced Scorpio version. I hope that's not why, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Stop

 

[TheMoon]

isn't gameplay parity the ultra obvious reason?

Because even if it could there's no way they would have 60fps pro vs 30fps base ps4.

this basically?

why so many question marks?

The cynic in me deep down thinks that MS moneyhatted Bungie to purposely not code the PS4 version to do 60fps so that they could have that exclusivity on the obvious but not yet announced Scorpio version. I hope that's not why, but it wouldn't surprise me.

this is not how the world works.

 

[Akai__]

Can we get a bit of a summary, for us plebs with limited mobile data?

- CPU is too weak.
- Engine is not designed arround 60FPS and the jump from 30 -> 60 is not easy.
- PS4 Pro would give advantages in MP, due to how input on controllers work etc.

Explained in a more professional way, but those are the most important bullet points, in my eyes.

The cynic in me deep down thinks that MS moneyhatted Bungie to purposely not code the PS4 version to do 60fps so that they could have that exclusivity on the obvious but not yet announced Scorpio version. I hope that's not why, but it wouldn't surprise me.

...

 

[oti]

The YouTube comments are already great.

 

[AllGamer]

The cynic in me deep down thinks that MS moneyhatted Bungie to purposely not code the PS4 version to do 60fps so that they could have that exclusivity on the obvious but not yet announced Scorpio version. I hope that's not why, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Wow...get your tinfoil hats ready, guys.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

The cynic in me deep down thinks that MS moneyhatted Bungie to purposely not code the PS4 version to do 60fps so that they could have that exclusivity on the obvious but not yet announced Scorpio version. I hope that's not why, but it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[jaxpunk]

The cynic in me deep down thinks that MS moneyhatted Bungie to purposely not code the PS4 version to do 60fps so that they could have that exclusivity on the obvious but not yet announced Scorpio version. I hope that's not why, but it wouldn't surprise me.

hahahahah

 

[SocksAndShoes]

That's what happens when you don't fix the bottleneck holding back higher framerates.

Not that they easily could have with existing computability.

Other games with a similar amount of visual fidelity run at 60FPS with more players in their multiplayer modes. Other than it being a design choice, I don't understand why a 4v4 multiplayer match can't run at 60FPS. I simply can't go back to a 30FPS multiplayer shooter at this point.

 

[rrs]

The CPU is a bottleneck, we have known this since the spec reveal of the PS4. Why do you guys repeatedly set yourselves up for disappointment?

But mooooooom quake 3 runs at 60 FPS/4K why can't destiny 2

 

[Rumblebones]

Because even if it could there's no way they would have 60fps pro vs 30fps base ps4.

Are you joking? It would be a massive boon to promoting the PS4P and encouraging more people to go buy it.

 

[InquisitorAles]

The cynic in me deep down thinks that MS moneyhatted Bungie to purposely not code the PS4 version to do 60fps so that they could have that exclusivity on the obvious but not yet announced Scorpio version. I hope that's not why, but it wouldn't surprise me.

It's not cynicism, it's just plain dumb.

 

[adamsapple]

Can we get a bit of a summary, for us plebs with limited mobile data?

They mention how a core i7 7700k will easily run it on 4K w/ 60 FPS. Then into general detail about how higher frame rate leads to a better game play experience with V sync details etc.

Then cite the IGN Bungie interview with Luke Smith and the other guy. Then they go into Pro spec dump and state how the CPU bump is very small compared to the GPU and how both pro and scorpio are more geared towards higher resolutions.

Then cite Battlefield 1 as a game which attempts to tackle the issue and how BF1 was designed as a game targeting 60 FPS. Then they cite some examples of Pro games which offer unlocked frame rates like Rise of TR and InFamous.

Then they go into how the Surge is an example which runs at 30 on Base PS4 and 60 on Pro (optionally) and how introducing this in a multiplayer game like Destiny will cause fundamental mismatches in PvP.

Then they cite how Shanon Loftis, in response to a recent article from someone at MS which said devs are free to use the resources as they please, from MS also states that as a developer, they don't see any developer choosing 30 FPS on base vs 60 FPS on Scorpio.

 

[Appleman]

Don’t know much about destiny but multiplayer parity makes a lot of sense

 

[TheStruggler]

60 fps over resolution any day, esp if they are "trying" to hit 4 k

 

[soultron]

Isn't it basically so PS4P wont have an advantage in MP when playing against PS4OG players?

 

[-griffy-]

Are there any multiplayer games where the base PS4 runs 30 and the Pro runs at 60? I thought we had already moved past the idea that you can just expect a jump to 60fps on Pro, especially if the game is bumping the resolution.

 

[Tecnniqe]

The cynic in me deep down thinks that MS moneyhatted Bungie to purposely not code the PS4 version to do 60fps so that they could have that exclusivity on the obvious but not yet announced Scorpio version. I hope that's not why, but it wouldn't surprise me.

If its not tinfoil its acid hats.

 

[ViciousDS]

love that they go into battlefield one and the unfair framerate advantage for the Pro......THANK YOU!



these consoles targeted resolution increase pretty much ONLY (Hence the increase framerate almost exclusively to base resolutions), this was to deliver an equal ground experience while catering to new UHD technology

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

Isn't Bungie still doing the 30fps animation thing? Wouldn't that mean that 60fps on PC is going to look weird?

 

[zelas]

The YouTube comments are already great.

Thanks for reminding me. I nearly forgot after the 480,232nd time someone mentioned that.

 

[Primethius]

The cynic in me deep down thinks that MS moneyhatted Bungie to purposely not code the PS4 version to do 60fps so that they could have that exclusivity on the obvious but not yet announced Scorpio version. I hope that's not why, but it wouldn't surprise me.

There are dumb conspiracy theories and then there is this...

 

[Nheco]

The cynic in me deep down thinks that MS moneyhatted Bungie to purposely not code the PS4 version to do 60fps so that they could have that exclusivity on the obvious but not yet announced Scorpio version. I hope that's not why, but it wouldn't surprise me.

it's tinfoil hat time!

 

[-griffy-]

love that they go into battlefield one and the unfair framerate advantage for the Pro......THANK YOU!

The difference there is that both versions still target 60fps.

 

[luulubuu]

The cynic in me deep down thinks that MS moneyhatted Bungie to purposely not code the PS4 version to do 60fps so that they could have that exclusivity on the obvious but not yet announced Scorpio version. I hope that's not why, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Same, brother.

 

[adamsapple]

Isn't it basically so PS4P wont have an advantage in MP when playing against PS4OG players?

That's what it boils down to in the end.

Even if they leave the frame rate unlocked for Pro owners, it's still a big disadvantage to Base owners.

 

[fr0st]

Isn't there a 1080p 60fps mode thing on the pro?

 

[MetalliCabombination]

The cynic in me deep down thinks that MS moneyhatted Bungie to purposely not code the PS4 version to do 60fps so that they could have that exclusivity on the obvious but not yet announced Scorpio version. I hope that's not why, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Did you read the summary before concern trolling or whatever this is?

 

[Akronis]

No shit they're targeting 4K. That's why they opted for a better GPU, not a CPU. You aren't going to magically get more frames (in most cases) unless you're 100% GPU limited.

 

[TheMoon]

Isn't it basically so PS4P wont have an advantage in MP when playing against PS4OG players?

yup, not much more to it, essentially. ps4pro could have been alien spaceship tech, they still wouldn't have done 60.