People don't wanna listen. It's like they actually want to spend more money on this console for some reason lmao. The specs today pretty much confirmed that $399 launch price.
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Digital Foundry: Xbox Scorpio
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LordOfChaos
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What does that even mean?
Dedicated hardware for GPU batch submission? Even then it wouldn't seem that's half the CPUs load on regular DX12.
josecitoxnyo
Member
Told a friend the same thing when the PS4 was announced, the more they look like a PC, the more boring and predictable they are.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Did Tim Dog blow his load on Twitter? Haven't checked yet.
You again, how convenient..
Okay..... 8GB available for games though.
I don't see anything special... I kind of expecting something..... more..? as the rumour $499 price point....
Not really interested then, though I think it would be a great upgrade for existing X1 owner.
Yeah, I seem more impressed with what's happening on the software end. Console specs aren't gonna really compete with high end PC's anymore, and Sony/Microsoft damn sure aren't gonna do anything crazy like with the PS3.
Just incremental graphical upgrades every few years, which is totally fine for console players who care about that sorta thing.
This dream was never even alive lmao.
If frame rate is that important it you the PC is over there waiting for you.
That is what I am expecting as well. It will be a mic drop moment at E3. They are not going to fuck this up.
FalsettoVibe
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I expect to see PS4 Pro at $349 or less with a game packed in(probably Horizon) around the holidays.
ReplacementPelican
Member
My worry would be the sales pitch for this. I reckon it'll do well with upgrades from existing users but with Sony having their first party library (and a new GOW, TLOU and GT coming out), having the most users and a likely drop in Pro price I think its not wise to eat into profit on a console that may not sell like hotcakes.
I mean, I want them to because £350 would be an instant buy from me and it would replace my Pro as my next upgrade but I just don't think its wise. If it sells for this price it should be because MS can make money on it.
Here's the really crazy part. According to the article, Forza uses 90% of XB1's GPU when running at 1080p. So with no optimizations whatsoever, they increased the resolution by 4x and dropped the utilization by like 40%. I have no idea how they did that. That's insane.
I don't need this system but I can already feel myself caving.
Yeah, the screens look great but this is first console I can recall where I know there's literally no chance of me picking one up. I've got a Pro where all my friends are and a vanilla Bone already. I'd be better off just dumping that cash into a Switch and a couple games.
What is your guess? $499 is mine.
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mysteriousmage09
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I'll give MS credit on the optimizations they've made. It's definitely powerful though not outside the realm of what could have been expected for a console releasing late 2017. Jaguar is still a disappointment and while the optimizations will carry it a while longer, it's still a weak point. Forza 6, while impressive, isn't really that crazy. If Forza 6 is using that much of the gpu at 4K 60fps, you damn sure aren't getting games like Witcher 3 running at 4K 60fps. Price will be a big factor as well.
Now where is Mr. "I talked with people at E3 and was told Zen is a sure thing" Senjutsusage?
Now where is Mr. "I talked with people at E3 and was told Zen is a sure thing" Senjutsusage?
Haha. I am joking. I don't actually love Phil Spencer.
I am 100% a day 1 purchaser though. This is a beast of a console that will enhance my entire existing library as well.
I held off on the PS4pro and stuck with my PS4 to wait for Scorpio. Now I know it will deliver I am very happy to buy.
I had a suspicion it would be much more, as I posted yesterday, but just because it isn't doesn't make this any less of a great reveal. Like the article says, 'it has the PS4Pro licked' in terms of hardware and performance.
They have just taken multi-plat performance lead for the next 2 or 3 years.
Can't wait for E3 !
Even though, the spec experts in the article say otherwise? You know better?
SomewhatGroovy
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I have already wrapped my head around a $599 announement and am prepared to spend that kind of cash for it. A price point that high would suck ass for you Aussies however.
Kssio_Aug
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Well, they said Turn 10 ported FH6 easily, and that it ran at 4k, 60fps and with a good chunk of power yet left to be used. So I guess it's safe to say most games current gen could run 1080p 60 fps without much effort.
Why? The spec looks more expensive than that.
What A Time To Be Alive
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On everything you dumb as bricks and ignorant.
If you really expected more than Jaguar at around $400-$450 then your legit crazy.
The Salt Life
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Yeah but those same people were also expecting a $399 price point. If this thing didn't have Jsgusr we could be looking at 599 US dollars
General Lee
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HDMI 2.1 is certainly a big thing, if VRR support is in. It'll take some time though before we get supported TV's and monitors though so it might not matter much before next gen.
Jaguar is a disappointment, but we'll just have to see how much of a difference their Secret Sauce™ makes or if it's just Blast Processing™.
Given that this is coming Holiday 2017 I'd hope for $399. More would be a hard ask imo.
Oh, and people need to stop comparing vapor chambers to water cooling. It's like saying the heatpipe in your heatsink is water cooling. We've had vapor chambers in graphics cards for a decade now. Sapphire had one in Radeon HD 3870 in 2007. It's really not a big deal. I'm actually worried this will be another jet blower like PS4 Pro since it ditched the great axial cooler design in favor of a high speed radial fan.
Jaguar is a disappointment, but we'll just have to see how much of a difference their Secret Sauce™ makes or if it's just Blast Processing™.
Given that this is coming Holiday 2017 I'd hope for $399. More would be a hard ask imo.
Oh, and people need to stop comparing vapor chambers to water cooling. It's like saying the heatpipe in your heatsink is water cooling. We've had vapor chambers in graphics cards for a decade now. Sapphire had one in Radeon HD 3870 in 2007. It's really not a big deal. I'm actually worried this will be another jet blower like PS4 Pro since it ditched the great axial cooler design in favor of a high speed radial fan.
HighResTomato
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Zombie James
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My initial thoughts:
- Microsoft going all-out is nice to see.
- 4K60 video capture. Oh yeah.
- I really like the sound of MS' analysis methods and customizations.
- Full 8GB available for games is huge.
- Downsampling across the board for 1080p sets is huge.
- Sounds like it's going to run hot as hell.
My biggest concern hardware-wise now is actually pricing. Before the reveal, I was pretty sure they'd be able to hit $399 but now I'm not so sure. It's a step up from the PS4 Pro in literally every way, not just one or two, and their thermal solution doesn't sound cheap, either.
If anything, if MS do somehow manage to hit $399, the PS4 Pro can't stay at that price without getting slaughtered.
- Microsoft going all-out is nice to see.
- 4K60 video capture. Oh yeah.
- I really like the sound of MS' analysis methods and customizations.
- Full 8GB available for games is huge.
- Downsampling across the board for 1080p sets is huge.
- Sounds like it's going to run hot as hell.
My biggest concern hardware-wise now is actually pricing. Before the reveal, I was pretty sure they'd be able to hit $399 but now I'm not so sure. It's a step up from the PS4 Pro in literally every way, not just one or two, and their thermal solution doesn't sound cheap, either.
If anything, if MS do somehow manage to hit $399, the PS4 Pro can't stay at that price without getting slaughtered.
All Xbox One games will be on Windows 10 for the forseeable future.
Unless they 180 it.
Wanting things is one thing. Achieving those things another. I'd love them to hit 400 though.
Versus 5GB available on XB1 and 5.5 on PS4 Pro. So really it's 8 vs 5.5 rather than 12 vs 8.
Shpeshal Nick
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Lol. It'll be $399. Bank on it.
Unreal Champ
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I'm in. Going to sell my OG Xbox One and move my Xbox S into the front room.
Optimization and ease of use is important to me. I'm good. And considering this thing was running Forza 6 at 60fps in native 4K in only 2 days, I think I'll be fine.
dragonyeuw
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I imagine the dollars and cents saved by having a regular BR drive vs a UHD BR drive on a mass produced device is pretty insignificant. Being able to have a 4k media player as a checkpoint against the PS Pro is of far greater value to them.
DriftingSpirit
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Cool. Just need a great E3 now. I want to see what they'll have beyond their core titles.
Hmm.
Imo hardware difference isn't large enough to be bottlenecked by PS4Bone...Especially when you consider the lack of CPU in the more powerful consoles.
I don't understand something and maybe someone more techy can help me out.
DF says that because DX12 is (built in?) that they will be able to something (not sure the benefit) in 10 to 12 processed instead of 1000s. What does that mean and how will it affect my games? The presenter seemed pretty impressed by how they did it so I'd like a little more info on it.
DF says that because DX12 is (built in?) that they will be able to something (not sure the benefit) in 10 to 12 processed instead of 1000s. What does that mean and how will it affect my games? The presenter seemed pretty impressed by how they did it so I'd like a little more info on it.
Interesting. Tell us more...