Outrun
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MS is not in the business of allowing you to install steam on their consoles, so that you can bypass their ecosystem.
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Digital Foundry: Xbox Scorpio
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MS is not in the business of allowing you to install steam on their consoles, so that you can bypass their ecosystem.
Hahaha.
Enough tweaks for the 60fps dream?
Ploid 3.0
Member
Let's start calling it Rise San.
phant0m
Member
If MS really wants to win, just let Valve make a Steam Link UWP app that can connect to Steam libraries in Big Picture mode. I know it's counter-productive to the Xbox ecosystem, but Play Anywhere is already a step in that direction.
I think a lot of people will find a console that can stream your entire PC library, do 4K media playback and also play console exclusives very compelling.
I think a lot of people will find a console that can stream your entire PC library, do 4K media playback and also play console exclusives very compelling.
I doubt that Sony is going to push a new SKU until they're ready to move the PS5. Even if the Scorpio is significantly more powerful than the Pro, which it seems to be, Sony has the market share, the developer support, and the momentum to ride out this generation. Microsoft needs this to convince a lot of current PS4 owners to jump ship, not just get upgrades from people already in the XBox ecosystem. That's why they are talking about winning back developers, they know they need software support to sell the beefed up hardware. Sony doesn't need (and can't afford) to offer another mid-gen SKU to compete.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
I can't find it in any of the articles, so I will ask here. Do we know if XB1 controllers will work with Scorpio. I am strongly inclined to say yes, but I haven't seen any mention of it in these articles.
PHOENIXZERO
Member
God I've fallen way behind.
But Puma is... That said, it's also 16nm vs the original, IIRC 28nm.
But Puma is... That said, it's also 16nm vs the original, IIRC 28nm.
GodfatherX
Member
Yes but you have hardware generations in that market that only last a year and therefor a longer cycling period for older devices. This is the only hardware coming from Sony and Microsoft for the next 3-4 years, the logical step would be mid cycle of each generational update you start eliminating support for legacy hardware
Kaji AF16
Member
Interesting proposal if it doesn´t surpass the $450 mark.
It sounds well-design and directly aimed at those interested in the "horsepower race" but not willing to play on PC. I am curious on how many among the console "harcore" market will it bring back from Sony´s share.
I will ultimately stay in the Xbox ecosystem because of several factors (including friends and exclusives), but I can´t yet tell if I will be an early adopter of Scorpio.
By the way, I believe they should keep this name.
It sounds well-design and directly aimed at those interested in the "horsepower race" but not willing to play on PC. I am curious on how many among the console "harcore" market will it bring back from Sony´s share.
I will ultimately stay in the Xbox ecosystem because of several factors (including friends and exclusives), but I can´t yet tell if I will be an early adopter of Scorpio.
By the way, I believe they should keep this name.
Let's see how marvellous the Scorpio can be if it's hampered by the fact all it's games have to be backwardly compatible with the original Xbone.
It's all very well iterating on the hardware but you cannot do so at the expense of all those who bought the original console and don't intend to upgrade.
As alien a concept as this it to GAF these are the people who make up the majority of the gaming public.
There's not much difference in die size, it's true, so the cost per unit is pretty similar. Given the high clock speed targets, though, the difference in cost per working unit could be more dramatic.
It's still hard to extrapolate the entire system cost. 12GB DDR5 is an obvious source of ~$35 in additional costs over the PS4 Pro, but increases in power consumption and cooling requirements are where it gets much less obvious. The increase in GPU clock speeds alone could result in TDP roughly double the PS4 Pro, so the work Microsoft has done on carefully tuning power draw will be important. Even so, it'll be fascinating to see how they cope with heat and power draw in a consumer product with these aggressive performance targets.
All in all, no real surprises from this reveal. It still looks like a really solid hardware effort that will help but isn't sufficient on its own to turn Microsoft's fortunes around. What we see at E3 will have to complement the hardware story and then things could get very interesting indeed.
PowerThroughLov
Member
I know im in the minority, but I think its a huge bummer this is the direction they have taken (Sony too). Pumping out the same-ish visuals at a huge resolution gain. Huge GPU, which they will use to improve resolution, instead of a better balance of CPU/GPU to improve game logic.
Id much rather have more complicated 1080p games with stellar effects than up-ressed 4K games.
I realize thats not how this all works though.
Id much rather have more complicated 1080p games with stellar effects than up-ressed 4K games.
I realize thats not how this all works though.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
It's impressive what they said about Forza 6, but to be fair....that is a 2015 game. Are we truly going to get Native 4K/60fps in Battlefront 2 and Native 4K/30fps in games like RDR2, next AC game and all the other multiplats? And then as for exclusives....will Crackdown and Sea of Thieves be Native 4K?
Why are people complaining about the Jaguar CPU?
It's fully functional and it helps by lowering the breaking of compability as much as possible. Of course it would have been more fun to see a full on PC CPU and not a downclocked cpu but it's still fully capable for what console gaming is. If you really have a hangup on these things perhaps look into a gaming PC? It's much easier these past years to actually do. Unfortunately I only had 1 real problem these past 5 years and it was a monitor issue that was really rare.
It's fully functional and it helps by lowering the breaking of compability as much as possible. Of course it would have been more fun to see a full on PC CPU and not a downclocked cpu but it's still fully capable for what console gaming is. If you really have a hangup on these things perhaps look into a gaming PC? It's much easier these past years to actually do. Unfortunately I only had 1 real problem these past 5 years and it was a monitor issue that was really rare.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
DF have gone out of their way in a few videos to state that the extra power is going to cost more. I also remember some hints from Microsoft that it would the extra power will come at a cost.
They are aware of the price of a PS4 Pro. It's not a secret. I think they may be hinting that it's going to cost more than the current price of the PS4. The current PS4 Pro price is $399.99 U.S.
Everything is speculation here, but I'm going to imagine that they know more than we do.
They are aware of the price of a PS4 Pro. It's not a secret. I think they may be hinting that it's going to cost more than the current price of the PS4. The current PS4 Pro price is $399.99 U.S.
Everything is speculation here, but I'm going to imagine that they know more than we do.
metareferential
Member
Not until someone hacks the system open (assuming there are vulnerabilities to exploit).
And even then, I'd say there's no chance of that happening.
If that dream is "everything is locked 60 FPS," nope.
And if you put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig
Most custom socs using a particular CPU type will customise it in some ways. Don't let that mislead you into overstating it as some other completely different type of CPU than the family it is of. From the DF commentary, it is a Jaguar, and most of the customisations referred to in the same breath are actually bits and bobs that aren't directly CPU stuff at all.
Jaguar doesn't mean one exact CPU btw. There are a variety of socs using Jaguars with different configs, but they're all 'Jaguar'.
Or more to the point, Xbox One. The mountain-out-of-molehills wrt its 'customisations' and 'secret sauce' was embarrassing.
Scorpio is a nice enough machine to not need similar over-spin and obfuscation.
Yes! It's EXACTLY like that
toosejuice786
Neo Member
True but I don't think Steam games would run any better than the ones on the Scorpio. Think it would be great for video editing and other intensive tasks tho
Please explain...this doesn't make any sense
RoyalLaFlame
Banned
I can see some optimization happening. Why not? It's totally possible.
Chobel
Member
No idea about multipats, but MS said all their 1st party games will be 4K.
GameSeeker
Member
That is an excellent question.
Sony's timing with PS4 Pro last year was half-way through the life cycle of PS4, exactly what you would expect from a mid-life kicker product.
If Sony has any business sense, they will have the PS5 coming out in Fall 2019, exactly 6 years after PS4 and 3 years after PS4 Pro. This strategy maintains a 6 year console life cycle. Sony is going to want to minimize the time Microsoft can claim to have the "highest performance console", so Sony is not going to wait till 2020.
Microsoft, on the other hand, has a dilemma. Scorpio is 4 years after Xbox One. If they launch Xbox Two in 2019 to keep up with Sony, the lifecycle of Scorpio is relatively short. If Microsoft waits till 2020 for Xbox Two, they give Sony a year head start.
demigod
Member
What was the bet you had with Sage again, was it a game?
These benefits will be enjoyed by the Pro as well this year and will help Sony to cut the price of the system, they can't be a reason why it was worth to wait a year.
Every company every year take advantage of these things to cut the manufacturing costs of their electronics products.
Also the APU is just part of the total cost, it's interesting that Microsoft chose to keep the SOC complexity and die area relatively on par with the Pro but the burden of the higher clocks will be put on the cooling system and power supply which will need to be more expensive. It's always a balance.
I love your avatar lol
Actually, in the video, Richard said that the Forza port they did was using higher resolution textures for the Scorpio version.
Proelite
Member
Are we getting more articles coming in depth for the CPU and GPU customizations? Those are going to be interesting.
One thing really encouraging about consoles and MS consoles going forward is the high clock speeds. It almost matches the base clock speeds of shipping desktop counterparts. That bodes well for future consoles.
Another thing is that hardware customization seems to be cheap enough to be used for a mid gen refresh. This bodes well for consoles be unique hardware wise.
One thing really encouraging about consoles and MS consoles going forward is the high clock speeds. It almost matches the base clock speeds of shipping desktop counterparts. That bodes well for future consoles.
Another thing is that hardware customization seems to be cheap enough to be used for a mid gen refresh. This bodes well for consoles be unique hardware wise.
firebricks3
Member
I'm going to guess that Jaguar is no longer power limited at 14nm or whatever and there's some headroom there for free.
lol "errors"
PodcastFips
Member
So they are going to price it at 499 one year after PS4 Pro's release. Considering by that time it has received a price drop to 349 and will likely be bundled with a game, that's an effective difference of around 200 bucks - I'm not sure this will convince the average gamer.
On the other hand, it sounds like an interesting piece of hardware. Let's see how all this turns out.
On the other hand, it sounds like an interesting piece of hardware. Let's see how all this turns out.
toosejuice786
Neo Member
Just like how the pro has given the Scorpio a head start 🤔
TangoAlphaLima
Member
Wut? Play Anywhere is not a step in that direction. Microsoft controls both the Xbox ecosystem and the Windows 10 Store. Play Anywhere is absolutely nothing like enabling Steam, a 3rd party that Microsoft has no control over and reaps no profits from, on Xbox.
Latvian Hitman
Member
A bit presumptuous, don't you think? I could easily see Sony putting out a major new piece of hardware by fall 2019. I'd be kinda' surprised if they didn't, frankly.
scoobs
Member
Number one rule to staying on top is don't do nothing. Sony will have new hardware, then Xbox will have new hardware, etc.
Go run some 4K at anything less and let me know the performance. I'll wait.
SEGAvangelist
Member
At the same time, Sony knows they will make bank the longer they drag out the generation. I can see both PS5 and Scorpio 2 launching in 2020 due to this.
killatopak
Member
Why do people think it's either 399 or 499? Can't it be like 450?
Munki
Member
I believe they mentioned that in the DF video. But there definitely needs some clarification, especially the CPU side.
ToysAndMoreClub
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That would be a mistake by Sony. They already rushed PS4 Pro out thinking Scorpio would launch in Spring 2017 and that hurt their PS4 Slim and PSVR by having three devices to market for and sustain at the same time.
GameFAQs is over that way.
For starters: Forza 3.
Goose_Se7en
Banned
Is this a joke post? Spencer has said in multiple interviews that game pads and such will work on Scorpio as indicated in this Gamespot article