It is also beneficial to note that "60fps everything dream" is not tied to HW specs but developer philosophy first and foremost.
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Digital Foundry: Xbox Scorpio
- Thread starter LelouchZero
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Kleegamefan
K. LEE GAIDEN
Nicely designed but an Xbox One Pro as I expected.
Still, I plan on buying two of them for my wife and I to play Multiplatform co op games
Exclusives will be played on our PS4 Pros.
Still, I plan on buying two of them for my wife and I to play Multiplatform co op games
Exclusives will be played on our PS4 Pros.
Latvian Hitman
Member
The usual stuff: much stronger CPU. A ~ doubling of TF on the GPU side. Faster/more RAM.
Yep. On a closed system, most devs are always going to lean towards favoring visuals over framerate. Beefing up specs does nothing to change that core philosophy.
Shit, chasing 4K 60fps on a PC is still a very expensive proposition. Requires a $700 card at a minimum- and that's a very recent breakthrough. Costs more than that if you aren't willing to sacrifice a couple settings down a notch on most recent games.
It's an optional upgrade every 3 or 4 years. At much lower prices too.
I'm all in for mid gen refresh system. I wouldn't want a system to go on for 7-8 years and have devs cutting corners like what happened at the end of the PS3, and 360 gen.
recklesscognition
Member
Looks excellent to me coming from a OG PS4 owner not on Xbox since the 360. Certainly promising they got good results with a piecemeal kit on Forza after just a two day port job.
Competition is good for everyone.
Competition is good for everyone.
LukasTaves
Member
But it's not the same jaguar that was in xbone, it's improved, and now the jaguar have to do less tasks with the dx12 coprocessor in there.
Well for one thing it's an Xbox.
JayWood2010
Member
ok...... and.....???
Huh? Xb1 was released 2013. Scorpio will be released 2017. Thats 4 years. Not 2 and Not 1.
Fess
Member
They just launched the Pro, their customers would be extremely pissed if they started to talk about PS5 now. The Pro caused enough meltdowns and it was 3 years after PS4. Another 3 year gap would mean a 2019 launch, possibly with teasers at E3 2018, earlier than that would be suicide.
And why stress it? It would only mean that MS gets the better hardware again since they'll likely wait at least to 2020 for the XB2 launch.
It would honestly be smarter to just sit calm on their huge user base and wait for MS to make their first move and then try to beat them.
ViolentP
Member
It's an optional upgrade every 3 or 4 years. At much lower prices too.
I'm all in for mid gen refresh system. I wouldn't want a system to go on for 7-8 years and have devs cutting corners like what happened at the end of the PS3, and 360 gen.
So, exactly like PC upgrades? Not disagreeing that this could be a good move, it just the parallels between console gaming and PC gaming are getting more frequent by the year.
LukasTaves
Member
And why no one is talking about the bit that the user will have the coice to chose between high graphics or high framerates across the board and across resolutions?
That seems like Ms is fully expecting uwp games to have everything dynamic and using a few system options to let the game run best at what you value.
That seems like Ms is fully expecting uwp games to have everything dynamic and using a few system options to let the game run best at what you value.
yankeehater
Member
My wife and I have 2 Xbox Ones so we can game together. It is such a wonderful thing. I cant wait until we have 2 4k TV's and Scorpio's side by side in the living room.
jonscrambler
Member
impressive, your turn Sony, PS4 Pro 2 holiday 2018
wesleyshark
Banned
0% chance. They just launched the Pro half a year ago.
maximum360
Member
The addition of the 4K UHD Blu Ray does help. :]
That was one of the more laid back and mellow reveals of a major piece of hardware by a gigantic tech company I've seen in a long time. Not hating either, it was actually a rather relaxing and straight forward video to watch. I haven't watched the entire thing yet but seems like a very different feel than a lot of Xbox related events from MS. I like it and of course the Scorpio seems pretty cool but I'm still waiting on some more game info on a lot of titles, announced or otherwise before I make the jump.
Even though a guy from a prominent tech site got to analyze the specs and confirmed all of this. It's obviously just all PR.
/s
I don't think a large amount of consoles gamers are concerned with this level/type of performance from their systems. These individuals likely already own one of the two console and likely do not own a 4K capable TV. Running older games better is just not a compelling reasons for most console gamers to upgrade their system. These individuals have gaming PCs for this purpose and it serves them much better. Also, gamers aren't monolithic and a lot of them are enjoying both console and PC platforms when it suits their needs. Who is this console for exactly? It just screams limited appeal to me, even compared to the PS4 Pro.
I do wonder. Like always the tech roadmap will dictate when they launch. 2 years away would mean planning out now. Have they gone past 16nm for GPUs yet? Intel hasn't gone beyond 14nm yet for CPUs. Then there is HBM memory. To see performance increases worth a damn in a console box, things need to happen in the next 2-3 years for 2020 launch. I don't expect next gen consoles until 2020 at the earliest.
Sony will go PS4 Pro Slim against the Scorpio at a cheaper price. 2.5 years until a PS5, do not see it at all. What tech would they base it on to hit that date that fits in a console box at good thermals, pretty much nothing at the moment.
The Salt Life
Banned
Calling it a "xone pro" kind of down plays it
It's a bigger leap from x1 to Scorpio
Then it was from PS4 to Pro
(This of course helped by the OG x1 being underpowered)
Captain Tuttle
Member
PC is the lead platform for most games
Not everything, but Scorpio, XBO, and PS4P
Thank you.
Missing 2, but I won't complain.
JayWood2010
Member
As soon as they release the Blu Ray patch for PS3.
killatopak
Member
so cpu is:
MosquitoSmasher
Member
Really really hoping any stores here will have a trade in program so I can trade in my OG Xbox One and hopefully a nice price for Scorpio.
vpance
Member
Most of the 4.6x jump is being absorbed by the bump to 4K. 2-3x that in a console + enhancements brought by Vega and Navi will still be very impressive.
wesleyshark
Banned
It's going to display in native 4k on applicable tvs. Do you want it to chug?
Chobel
Member
so cpu is:
lol
hanspampel
Banned
Interfectum
Member
Nothing I asked was egregious or out of the realm of possibility. Matt already answered the question too.
Kazuo Hirai
I really want everyone to know how much more Titanfall 2 sold than Nioh. It was a staggering amount.
The Switch Tegra "custom" level?so cpu is:
Accurate lol.
Obliterator
Member
Considering that's also there to run the OS at native 4k as well as 4k DVR capture while gameplay is running. That's fairly resource intensive so not too surprising.
Yeah, BF2 is gonna look insane on Scorpio.
That wasn't a dig at you (or the PS3), it was reference to an old but epic thread.
Ploid 3.0
Member
PS4 Pro - Downscale for all games, manditory AFx16, etc is the type of things the person you quoted means I'm sure. That could happen if sony wanted to. Recently they added a boost for all games, if it helps or not.
