Which seems to keep them alive compared to every other Japanese video game developer & producer....
Discuss: The new 3DS and the emergent "split userbase"... is this a good trend?
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Which seems to keep them alive compared to every other Japanese video game developer & producer....
This is the biggest problem with the console.
Another WiiU name.
When you say "hey man did you see that new 3ds", it doesnt sound like its a revision. 2ds was a stupid name and all, but new 3ds is right up there with the WiiU. It probably wont be nearly as confusing for people, but its still a bad decision.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
I don't think it is a good trend for gaming consoles personally. It fragments and more importantly confuses the user base. I think it fits handhelds better though, because you don't have to worry as much about multiplatform development and online communities.
That said I wouldn't put it pass MS, who seems willing to do anything, to release an "New" Xbone a year or two from now.
That said I wouldn't put it pass MS, who seems willing to do anything, to release an "New" Xbone a year or two from now.
Wikipedia dates might not be accurate, but I have no other base.
Game Boy: April 21, 1989
Game Boy Color: October 21, 1998
Game Boy Advance: March 21, 2001
.....okay I feel stupid for bringing the Game Boy Color comparison. Did anyone see Nintendo planning to release 3DS's successor in 2018?
Game Boy: April 21, 1989
Game Boy Color: October 21, 1998
Game Boy Advance: March 21, 2001
.....okay I feel stupid for bringing the Game Boy Color comparison. Did anyone see Nintendo planning to release 3DS's successor in 2018?
Hey man did you see that new Gameboy called the Gameboy Color?
What about the new DS.. the DS Lite?
The shit doesn't change. Why are people assuming that Nintendo has ever been any different?
NES... SNES.. Go Bingo.
Quadrangulum
Banned
A few exclusives here and there is not a big deal. I'm surprised it's controversial. There is no doubt that all of the forthcoming consequential games are still going to the entire range of the 3DS platform.
All of the usability improvements are far more important and everyone should welcome them. I'm especially interested in the 3D viewing angles. It's such a great feature that I usually pass on because it's badly implemented. I hope the eye tracking is reliable.
All of the usability improvements are far more important and everyone should welcome them. I'm especially interested in the 3D viewing angles. It's such a great feature that I usually pass on because it's badly implemented. I hope the eye tracking is reliable.
If hemorrhaging money is alive, I don't want to know what you think dead is
Why? They've done it before, just on the case put "Only For New 3DS". Worked on the Gameboy Color and DSi, why will it be so much more difficult for the New 3DS?
"Super" Nintendo Entertainment System to me sounds like it would be something new and more powerful.
DSLite - indicates that its a slimmer version
to where as
WiiU - tells me.. its a wii.. but its for u? wait.. is it for me? i made this? i made this.
New Nintendo 3ds - ???????
The old Nintendo is bleeding money logic. If only we could say the same thing about Sony.
Because it's a perception of marketing, nothing more. The same thing that people assumed Xbox 360 was okay because having "Xbox 2" against Playstation 3 was going to make Microsoft look weak.
lol. what dust?
xenoblade? the wii game that nobody bought to begin with, is now all of a sudden going to fracture the handheld user base and cause a significant amount of people who can't afford the new hardware model (and coincidentally didn't even buy the wii game) to all of a sudden have a strong urge to play a jrpg they were never interested in, & miss out on a game they probably won't ever know existed?
this system isn't even a half step. it's not technically enough of a technological improvement to be a half step.
that's like calling the 4mb expansion pack a 'half step' between n64 tech and gcn tech.
just to be clear (because for some reason i feel like i need to), it wasn't.
it was a simple hardware 'touch-up'. it did not fracture the n64 user base (LOL).
the n64 fan base didn't cry in horror when they realised they couldn't play majors mask or donkey kong 64 without the expansion pack. or that rogue squadron looked so much nicer with it.
i'm going off on a tangent now but...
it was a different generation then. gamers in those days inherently understood the concept that if you wanted a specific piece of software, you needed to buy the hardware required to play it. that these companies don't "owe you" anything. and because of this, i feel like gamers were actually smarter & more reasonable as a result.
a concept that seems to be lost on modern day gamers today who cry like babies when a game isn't available to play on the hardware the've already bought. "waaah bayonetta", "waaa tomb raider" "waaa first party funded console game" (because you know there are gamers who are this stupid)…..
and today, here, people are trying very very hard to make it seem like this new hardware is a "DS2" (or 3) or something.
it's a fucking current hardware touch up.
all of this. it's all a symptom of the massive 'self-entitlement' of todays gamers, and todays youth in general. also i'm getting too old for this.
because it's not a new, better handheld.
it's a touch-up of a current existing handheld. that's the point.
i seriously don't understand how this is such a difficult concept to understand.
no offense.
Well on one hand you have Smash Bros, Pokémon, Codename STEAM and Xenoblade. And on the other you have... what again?
The brick wall would be Sony's Vita support I guess?
SaberVulcan
Member
This was probably mentioned already, but until I can transfer my digital copy of games across different 3DS systems then this is just a total dick move. I bought the FE:A 3DS bundle... if I can't keep FE:A if I buy a new system, whats the point of the bundle to begin with?
tim_pkmn89
Member
Say it with me now "This is the Japanese name."
Consumers won't get "New" and "新し" mixed up.
Just to clarify: "3DS LL" is the Japanese name for the 3DS XL, the new 3DS revisions are called "New 3DS" and "New 3DS LL" (and probably "New 3DS XL" when they introduce it to the Western market where "LL" is branded "XL".
Oh the lets ignore how bad my favorite company is doing by looking at something else logic
The GBC came out a long time after the original GB.
Except, if this thing takes off like they're hoping it will (Why else make a much beloved game like Xenoblade exclusive), there will be a ton of exclusives.
It doesn't personally affect me, as I had planned on buying an XL for MH4U, so now I'll just get a "New" XL, but this is still a really shitty thing to do.
That'll teach you to buy bundles! But honestly I'm curious about this since I bought a 3DS XL with Mario Kart 7 pre-installed. I would hope that a system transfer, which included my Nintendo eShop data, would allow me to "transfer" the purchase of Mario Kart 7 over to any new 3DS system I owned.
At least that's what the new Nintendo id system seemed to imply.
TranceKuja
Member
I'm not a fan of this decision. I already traded in my 3DS once to upgrade to the 3DS XL, and now I have to trade THAT one in as well if I want to play games like Xenoblade on it (which I really want to).
Well technically I'm not obliged to do anything of course, but it still kind of sucks. I also think it shows Nintendo isn't really sure on what to do anymore with their hardware, seeing as there's also a 2DS and all...
Well technically I'm not obliged to do anything of course, but it still kind of sucks. I also think it shows Nintendo isn't really sure on what to do anymore with their hardware, seeing as there's also a 2DS and all...
I don't think userbase will be split in west, this whole "new 3DS exclusive" thing will be a Japan only. 3DS is dying in west as literally not a single big western developer is making a game right now. Everybody is waiting for a graphically monster next handheld.
My guess is Nintendo will delay next gen handheld and release more "new 3DS" games in Japan while next handheld will arrive in west way earlier than Japan. Like, Holiday 2015.
My guess is Nintendo will delay next gen handheld and release more "new 3DS" games in Japan while next handheld will arrive in west way earlier than Japan. Like, Holiday 2015.
Yeah, this is my thoughts on this too. Still, there's gonna be some market confusion here.
No chance. Nintendo has done this before with their handhelds, it's nothing new.
Which they couldn't anyhow because of the weaker CPU.
this is EXACTLY what this new hardware is.
it's not necessarily bad. it's not necessarily good.
for people who always wanted custom cases, its friggin great.
why is this soooo difficult for sooooo many to understand?
have they stop teaching critical thinking in school?
why is mob mentality so prevalent?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
And I don't understand why it is so difficult to understand that making this system (and the subsequent games required) takes manpower and resources away from development of a new system.
Oh please. I don't give a shit who does what numbers on the console or handheld sphere. I've been on this forum way too long to combat this petty battle. The fact remains that Sony seem to lose more money than Nintendo consistently ever since they entered the entertainment industry concentrated in videogame sales. Armchair critics will decry the fact that Sony are hampered by the ballooning effects of their other company arms that subtract the overall performance of the Playstation brand and its money-making impetus, but at the end of the day no one can deny that Nintendo rarely go by a year on year basis where losing money is a normal occurrence.
I own both a Vita and 3DS. Sure I don't own a PS4, but I'm not a sucker - if the games that INTEREST SOLELY MYSELF hit, then sure I'll buy one.
And if there was ever a favourite company then they are long dead to the cold winds of the 1980s my friend.
It's nothing more than bandaid to patch the gap between their new "bridged" hardware
I'd be mad because I just got my XL, but I still have a ton of games left to play on it. Still, I waited this long because I knew they'd keep putting out revisions. Looks like I didn't wait long enough.
Also, Nintendo's use of "New" as part of official names continues to baffle me. Anyone up for some New Super Mario Bros? Y'know, that game from 2006?
Also, Nintendo's use of "New" as part of official names continues to baffle me. Anyone up for some New Super Mario Bros? Y'know, that game from 2006?
In general is nothing new across game handhelds (GB>GBC, DS>DSI) and much across across (the yearly) iOS and Android devices. What it could mean for Nintendo now is another thing, as the 3DS is not as huge of a seller as their previews handhelds. So, they're betting on this and Amiibo to help them improve sales more.
Oh please. I don't give a shit who does what numbers on the console or handheld sphere. I've been on this forum way too long to combat this petty battle. The fact remains that Sony seem to lose more money than Nintendo consistently ever since they entered the entertainment industry concentrated in videogame sales. Armchair critics will decry the fact that Sony are hampered by the ballooning effects of their other company arms that subtract the overall performance of the Playstation brand and its money-making impetus, but at the end of the day no one can deny that Nintendo rarely go by a year on year basis where losing money is a normal occurrence.
I own both a Vita and 3DS. Sure I don't own a PS4, but I'm not a sucker - if the games that INTEREST SOLELY MYSELF hit, then sure I'll buy one.
And if there was ever a favourite company then they are long dead to the cold winds of the 1980s my friend.
It's nothing more than bandaid to patch the gap between their new "bridged" hardware
your the one that keeps bringing up sony. sony sucks. whatever.
my only comment was that this move continues to show nintendo is out of touch and doesn't know how to combat their increasing irrelevance.
ArchedThunder
Banned
No it isn't, regular 3DS support isn't going anywhere.
flaxknuckles
Member
It's been years since the 3DS released. None of you would be complaining if Nintendo had went and announced a 4DS in which NONE of the games for it could be played on previous devices. Do you get mad that your Wii can't play Wii U games too?
Anecdotal, I know, but a friend of mine from the States got hooked big time co-op on the NSMB game on Wii, and then on the Wii U. This directly led to the fact that they all finished the game and needed new Mario - low and behold what's this shit called Super Mario 3D World that included co-op?
I told her she and her husband & co. fell for the gimmick. Most of them never play games too hardcore compared to the resident GAF crowd, but it gave me time to pause and think.
Sony are based in Japan, as much as Nintendo are. Your original comment showcased how out of touch Nintendo seem to be. What better example to provide than a budding competitor in the same market from the same country & culture?
Of course one could easily counter my argument by stating how successful the PS4 hardware is doing in both North American and European markets..
Fortunately they didn't copy them when it came to memory cards.
So, what's Sony's coming new Vita games lineup look like again?
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I see people bringing up Dsi.....how many exclusive games did DSi have? Can't think of anything notable from my memory.
SerTapTap
Member
Good trend? No. But I expect it to be a pretty minor variation until proven otherwise. If a majority of first/third party games start being New 3DS only I'll start to agree it's a big problem instead of a small, but stupid one, but for now it seems like a poor idea but not one that's going to be extremely annoying for fans or damaging for Nintendo.
Um, fantastic?
sörine;127603799 said:
Um, fantastic?
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
No wonder you were demodded.
The exclusive games for the new 3ds will be games that anyhow wouldn't have been on the "old" 3ds because of the CPU limitation, so I don't get the complains. No one steals no one's games. It like the Bayo 2 discussion, but for different reasons. There wouldn't have been a Xenoblade 3ds without the new 3ds. In addition if this revision sells it will only prolongue the life and the support of the 3ds series and thus benefiting both new and old 3ds owners.
Well one company is focusing success on the west and succeeding with their console while the other is floundering everywhere.
One of these countries appears to be out of touch with their place in videogames. And doesn't look like they know how to fix it
It's not the first case (of a new model of the same system being "overclocked" thus splitting the userbase).
Of course all the cases have different contex.
Game Boy -> Game Boy Color (GBC came out 8 years after GB)
Wonderswan -> Wonderswan Color (WSC came out less than 2 years after the first WS)
DS-> DSi (6 years? Exclusive games were for the most part released only through digital shop)
Of course all the cases have different contex.
Game Boy -> Game Boy Color (GBC came out 8 years after GB)
Wonderswan -> Wonderswan Color (WSC came out less than 2 years after the first WS)
DS-> DSi (6 years? Exclusive games were for the most part released only through digital shop)
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
Nintendo always does this with their handhelds so it's nothing new.
It's not as bad as Apple and a new iPhone/iPad every year at least!
It's not as bad as Apple and a new iPhone/iPad every year at least!
4 retail, 550+ digital.
That's not a list of Sony made games.
How many major games is Sony currently making for Vita?
Quadrangulum
Banned
If Nintendo is indeed moving towards a unified platform, the important traits of the next handheld will be the software environment and the infrastructure, not necessarily the hardware. If they need time to get those in order, I'm happy to see them squeeze as much potential as possible from the 3DS which suffered from its own embarrassingly rough launch.
Besides, the only real hardware changes here are minor; an overclocked CPU, the integration of an existing peripheral, NFC, eye-tracking etc. I'd hope this doesn't consume too many resources.
On the macro-level I agree but this is not really an apt indicator for Nintendo's strategic woes.