I don't feel that much of that is particularly compelling criticism (and I'm ashamed or whatever to admit that I have not heard of Kill Screen Daily before), and it has the overall tone of being borderline-offended that the game is unabashedly awesome. But just to one point, the mask is definitely intended to be a HEPA filter of sorts for working in plague-riddled areas in addition to protecting his identity
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Dishonored |OT| The belle of the ball
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Fine Ham Abounds
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This is probably the first thing I've read from Kill Screen that didn't have me rolling my eyes every other sentence. Only the bit about the voice acting in the middle is really obnoxious, and I'm impressed they didn't go off on some tangent about how playing this game made them wish Stanley Kubrik had made video games.
I'm still waiting on my copy from Gamefly. It's been interesting reading an entire thread of differing opinions on a game I as of yet have hype alone invested in.
Agreed about the American voice actors, but the fact that it's a totally fictionalized country very loosely based on England makes it a bit better.
I'm very confused about the remarks lauding Deus Ex and then bemoaning the fact that you have to explore the world to get text and audio clips to flesh it out.
Also agreed that more abilities and gadgets along with forced specialization would have made the gameplay better, but what's there is already really fucking good.
I'm very confused about the remarks lauding Deus Ex and then bemoaning the fact that you have to explore the world to get text and audio clips to flesh it out.
Also agreed that more abilities and gadgets along with forced specialization would have made the gameplay better, but what's there is already really fucking good.
ElectricBlue187
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how do you get that ending?
Can anyone tell me? I don't really want to do an immediate replay if I lost everything I had.
Just bind them.
Then an immediate replay you shall not do.
I understand why it's not the default completely, but I'm down for NG+ DLC for my third playthrough.
There is no new new game + or any option to keep your upgrades for a second playthrough.
I really do appreciate the fact that the game doesn't lean on Cockney accents or anything like that too hard.
I'm not one for praising the navelgazing Kill Screen a great deal but their criticisms of the celebrity cast sleeping through their voice roles is absolutely right. Experienced, proper VAs always win out and they're cheaper too. It's a problem among Bethesda published games in general: Getting celebrity voices for marketing purposes but thereby making the roles they play mostly unmemorable because, guess what, they usually phone it in.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
I thought most of the cast did a fantastic job. Chloe Moretz was the only one I thought was pretty off.
Lame. Oh well, I'm sure a mod for it will come out soon on the PC anyway.
ElectricBlue187
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As for the stealth/non lethal playthrough, one thing that really annoyed me was how touchy the prompt for the sleeper hold was. At least 5-10 times it messed up and I had to reload or blink away just because the prompt didn't come up quickly enough. I hate having to blink away. Sucks when that is pretty much your only interaction with the game and the murder button seems to be much easier.
ElectricBlue187
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damn plague, rats everywhere, damn elixir, buncha crap
There really is no point in doing a nonlethal playthrough since the whiskey and cigar nights are gonna catch up to all those guys anyway.
Edit: Ha, you got to it before I did.
You just made someone a widow damnit!
ElectricBlue187
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EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
"I don't need to hear this shit from you." or whatever. I got that response so often.
"Shall we gather for whisky and cigars tonight?"
"I DON'T NEED TO HEAR THIS SHIT FROM YOU"
"Shall we gather for whisky and cigars tonight?"
"I DON'T NEED TO HEAR THIS SHIT FROM YOU"
That review posted a little ways up just reminds me how much money they wasted on "celebrity" voice talent. Now that I think about my first playthrough I didn't notice any of those people's voices. They could have grabbed james the janitor and made him do some voice work and I wouldn't have noticed any difference between him and Madsen.
It really is a waste. Proper VAs live job to job too so they could probably use that Bethesda cash (which is probably peanuts to people like John Slattery, Susan Sarandon).
Finished this yesterday and find myself agreeing with a lot of that Kill Screen review, especially with regards to story and voice acting. I thought Sarandon did a fairly good job but everyone else was pretty forgettable. Forgot Madsen was even in it until the credits came up.
ElectricBlue187
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Slackjaw's VA made me like the character more. All the rest were bad except Samuel and maybe Havelock
Empty Space
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I played through the intro and got to what I guess you would call the first proper level. The game seemed to really emphasize how killing people is bad. Am I going to get punished later if I kill enemies even if every kill is a stealth kill?
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
I'd agree that they weren't really noticeable 'talent', but I certainly didn't think they were bad. Havelock, Piero, Callista, Daud, Slackjaw, The Outsider and Pendleton all sounded great to me. Fit their characters and their lines were solid.
Play your own way the first time. You could always do the storyguy thing and decide who among the targets deserves lethal vengeance, or disposal through indirect means (usually non-lethal). The game doesn't 'punish' you for playing one way or the other in the way that Bioshock did.
ElectricBlue187
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Pieros affectation was very distracting the rest you mentioned were okay
SJRB
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I laughed way too hard when I heard that, so random.
..but after hearing it for the 10th time in the same area it kind of became annoying. Same goes for the snorting and spitting. And mumbling/cursing. And the guards going "huh?!" EVERY SINGLE TIME they walk past a corpse they killed themselves.
RadioactiveLobster
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So I am going for the Ghost achievement (Never alert anyone)
First level,
Any ideas?
First level,
when you blowup the door. No matter what I do one of the guards outside the the door (On the wall to the right) gets alerted. Every single time.
Any ideas?
ElectricBlue187
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I agree with your best levels. Ghosting the last one was super challenging and good, took me several tries to find a good entry point where I wouldn't be spotted
I don't think the first level counts.
Ohh...that poor guy. He missed the point of the game big time. I'm afraid that reads like a half played review by a game snob.
His personal taste is very different from mine, I just wish he wouldn't phrase his taste as gospel.
Riposte
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Two funny moments that happened to me in combat. 1) On the last level, two alerted guards turned the corner and surprised me, so I reflexively shot the gun. I hit their chest, but the force flung them over the railing and to their deaths in a comedic manner. 2) If you hold someone in a chokehold while a guard is aiming at you, they are effectively a meatshield, lol.
I played the shit out of this game, trust me. I even tackled some amusing challenges to make it more fun. (e.g. at the costume party
. Btw, this wasn't all that fun and the game didn't acknowledge those extra major NPCs I killed at all, lol)
Tragically, exploration was a lot of "Oh yet another solution that was pointless because the answer was staring me in the face". I sort of disliked this in Human Revolution also, but that at least felt like multiple choice. This feels like voting for the Green Party.
It allows for more unique vertical movement, but the design wasn't exactly there to meet you. There is always stuff you can climb with Agility or chains which deals with getting up high. Even without blink (though I'm not saying they should remove blink, they should have just given it a cost, like the marginalized Possession), this game would remain vertical. Using that stuff usually requires more risk as you have to interact with the guards more. Blink takes that out of the picture, as you can use it to simply fly over guard posts / security devices and scale the geometry or just cleanly teleport to and from guards. The bridge level in particular was hurt by Blink, layers and layers of defense now trivial.
Well, I never said it obfuscate it. That doesn't make sense. It is more like the opposite is happening. There is nothing incoherent about this game. Like I said, it is the most accessible stealth I've played, on the default settings anyway.
The last sentence doesn't follow. Yes, you can play through this entire game without the overpowered free teleport spell (that could easily be added into any game with vertical design). That could just as much say that this game would be better if it wasn't there or it is weaker for it.
I'm going to replay the level everyone assumed at first would be the last, because I have a theory that after you enter the second area you can beat it (non-lethally, even) by staying in one room and peaking into the adjacent rooms.
EDIT: I agree with your list of levels Dennis.
EDIT: Ugh, I'm agreeing with a Kill Screen review, kill me now. Well, at least it is about videogames. That's a rare thing for them.
I played the shit out of this game, trust me. I even tackled some amusing challenges to make it more fun. (e.g. at the costume party
assassinate the two remaining sisters only after leading them to their room and pickpocket every noble at the party without getting caught
Tragically, exploration was a lot of "Oh yet another solution that was pointless because the answer was staring me in the face". I sort of disliked this in Human Revolution also, but that at least felt like multiple choice. This feels like voting for the Green Party.
It allows for more unique vertical movement, but the design wasn't exactly there to meet you. There is always stuff you can climb with Agility or chains which deals with getting up high. Even without blink (though I'm not saying they should remove blink, they should have just given it a cost, like the marginalized Possession), this game would remain vertical. Using that stuff usually requires more risk as you have to interact with the guards more. Blink takes that out of the picture, as you can use it to simply fly over guard posts / security devices and scale the geometry or just cleanly teleport to and from guards. The bridge level in particular was hurt by Blink, layers and layers of defense now trivial.
Well, I never said it obfuscate it. That doesn't make sense. It is more like the opposite is happening. There is nothing incoherent about this game. Like I said, it is the most accessible stealth I've played, on the default settings anyway.
The last sentence doesn't follow. Yes, you can play through this entire game without the overpowered free teleport spell (that could easily be added into any game with vertical design). That could just as much say that this game would be better if it wasn't there or it is weaker for it.
I'm going to replay the level everyone assumed at first would be the last, because I have a theory that after you enter the second area you can beat it (non-lethally, even) by staying in one room and peaking into the adjacent rooms.
EDIT: I agree with your list of levels Dennis.
EDIT: Ugh, I'm agreeing with a Kill Screen review, kill me now. Well, at least it is about videogames. That's a rare thing for them.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Last level was really well designed up until
the stretch up the staircases towards the light house peak, where the game decided to totally disregard interesting level design much in the same way as the final stretch of The Flooded District was too easy and boring.
But that was so short that it didn't matter.
The Flooded District just went on an on and on.
The Wizard
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Anyone know where saves are kept for the pc version?
GillianSeed79
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I keep expecting him to go into the 'it's by will alone I set my mind in motion' litany or slip up and call me baron. That is the dude that played Peter DeVires in Dune right?
ElectricBlue187
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He was just another under developed character. He said way too much shit that boiled down to "whaddya buyin?" and was sorta creepy brilliant scientist guy trope
Mister0079
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Damn, I thought Piero was voiced by Christopher Randolph (Otacon, MGS). Very similar.
spindoctor
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Also, are saves uploaded to the Steam cloud or does it only save config settings etc.? My game is using about 3.5mb of cloud space (after game completion).