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DmC |OT| No, F*ck You!
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ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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Just a disclaimer: I will always love DMC the best, but I "Get" Ninja Gaiden on a much deeper level.
MGR hasn't a hope in hell. I will probably enjoy playing it more than I Do DmC but I doubt it will be a better overal better game and just barely a better action game.
I will appreciate MGR for the badass boss designs, 60fps and different approach to combat, but I'm not allowing the fact it is a platinum game cloud my vision. It still looks unfinished and made under a extremely short dev cycle, I would like it have another year of dev time personally. With a bit more polish the holy trinity could of became a quartet.
Really? That's what you use to rank a game above DMC4? I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, I'm no pro at NG, I play it pretty casually, but if that's your reasons to say something is better than the best combat system ever created in this genre, you're insane.
Who fucking cares about siderave? We have BRUTAL FEELING WEAPONS!!!!
Best game ever next to GOW III!!!!
Tonfas were phenomenal. (Almost) all the weapons in NG2 were phenomenal. I'm certainly not arguing that they weren't totally awesome to use.
MGR has a chance to be something great.
It's really sad how much better DmC would have been with lock-on and the color coded enemies removed. The latter was such a simple mistake, it's hard to fathom how that passed approval.
Weapons in NG2 were beastly. Tonfas, Polearm, Flails, Kusari Gama, Claws, Double Katanas, Scythe. They threw the damn kitchen sink at you in terms of the weapons.
Something that is sorely lacking from MGR. The weapon variety in that game doesn't tickle my fancy, most of the weapons are just palette swaps of the sword you already use just with different properties.
Something that is sorely lacking from MGR. The weapon variety in that game doesn't tickle my fancy, most of the weapons are just palette swaps of the sword you already use just with different properties.
Add in Taunts, a non-broken Style gauge/ranking system, challenging bosses, more moves on weapons (Arbiter feels like half a weapon in terms of its moves)... I mean not a bad effort by any means for NT's first real action game but with some better choices this would've been a 9/10 game in my book.
Those aren't different weapons, though. Those are different HF Blades. You always have a HF blade as your primary weapon, and it's suspected that you will have real time weapon switching via subweapons.
Agreed, that was really disappointing. I hope the bosses' weapons have some depth.
keltickennedy
Member
Doesn't MGR have a soft lock?
Nope. There's a hard lock-on mechanic.
Subweapons always have very limited moves and tools (ala ZOE2). I am not expecting much in that aspect.
It has both.
We'll see how it shakes out. I think they're going to have significantly more depth than ZOE2's subweapons, which literally only served one function per subweapon.
ZOE2 had the first ever Devil Bringer system via it's sub weapons!!!
I didn't say NG2 was a better game than DMC4. I loved DMC4. I am going to revisit DMC4 once I'm done with DmC. I will not be revisiting NG2.
I said NG2 has a better combat system. And when it comes to a combat system, how a character moves,
how many slidekicks that character can do
But, as has been rightly pointed out, NG2 is more than a combat system. It's also level design, bosses and enemies. And NG2 has stupid versions of those in spades.
But that's exactly my problem with your statement, I don't mind saying NG2 is a better game than DMC4, I wouldn't be even sure myself which one I like the most, but the combat system alone? NOPE.
I don't even care when people say DMC4 is a shit game, because they have legitimate reasons to think so, but the combat is just superb.
I really don't understand how people compare the two. They've always been opposite ends of the spectrum to me. They focus on entirely different things. They're like Marvel and SF. It's possible to like both, but if you do it's likely for entirely different reasons.
Agreed. They're just very very different, and it simply comes down to personal preference.
That I agree with.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
NG2 is, and will always be, a bad video game. Most disappointing game of 2008.
NGB is probably in my top 10 games, but it's been downhill for that series ever since. STRAIGHT downhill, culminating in the abomination of action game design that is Ninja Gaiden 3.
NGB is probably in my top 10 games, but it's been downhill for that series ever since. STRAIGHT downhill, culminating in the abomination of action game design that is Ninja Gaiden 3.
That is a good comparison, actually. And it clarifies my tastes. And I dont like Marvel and DMC4 nearly as much as I like SF and Ninja Gaiden. Mainly because the former are just more convoluted to me. This is also why I like DmC more than DMC 4. DmC has calmed the series the fuck down and I have a better grasp on what is going on both in terms of mechanics and narrative.
That's what I'm trying to find out lol. I can't find anything.
Glass Rebel
Member
This is the worst thread.
I've only put in 9h into DmC and I already want to go back to DMC4.
I've only put in 9h into DmC and I already want to go back to DMC4.
Only 9 hours? You've probably finished by now.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I can't even be assed to finish this SoS run. This game doesn't hold up upon repeated playthroughs. It's built for that casual single run through, where you're impressed by the visuals and how high your S rankings can get so easily, and then put it aside to collect dust.
The one thing I never liked about NG is the over abundance of vanilla moves. By that I mean some moves are pretty much useless as there are always superior options over it and the moves don't provide anything unique. You can't afford to do long combo strings because enemies will tear you apart, you need to be on the move getting fast kills with moves that have invulnerability and then chain together UTs.
Anisotropic Filtering, apparently.
But I've been scrolling through the INI files for the last 30 minutes without finding it.
I'm giving up, I don't even give a shit.
There was this sick Japanese gameplay on MNM NG2 where the guy was totally styling during a level filled with IS ninjas and the like. I wish I could find it now.
But yes, I think that despite the expanded moveset, there is limited utility to your moves in NG2 and there will always be preferred damage/combos for MNM that make other moves obsolete.
Glass Rebel
Member
I'm on my second playthrough now but I don't feel like finishing it at all. I thought I'd get at least 20h out of it with repeats. I doubt I'll return for Bloody Palace or Vergil's Downfall either tbh.
Don't worry, it will always be there to go back to.
Hell, playing this made me go out and buy DMC HD Collection. Now I'm having much more fun, and I've already played those games (2 isn't as bad as I used to think it was).
My cousin running a 3 screen setup claims it doesn't work.
In comparison to other beat'um ups and hack n' slashes gameplay this gen, I'm noticing in DmC a lot of moves are based on looking a charge to build up or some weird kind if timing 'wait for the blade to sparkle' kind of thing going on adds a nice risk reward to the combat and asks the player to pick enemies out of the crowd and focus on one enemy rather than a crowd.
toastyToast
Member
I started DMD and it really is more of the same. Harpies are a huge pain in the ass coz Donte always shoots downwards when they're hovering over other goons
Whenever I see coloured enemies I just pop dat D(onte)T. Ain't nobody got time for that
Whenever I see coloured enemies I just pop dat D(onte)T. Ain't nobody got time for that
The pause combos have been a part of the series since the first DMC.
That's the same as all DMC games. The pause combos are a staple of the franchise and charged moves have been in the series since DMC1.
And it depends on the crowd of enemies, if it's just a bunch of low level enemies I go ham on them with Aquila plus Osiris. I try to get as many of them in a combo as possible.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
yeah. there are no way to compare the two directly as they have different goals in combat.
Dante would be chewed up in a NG world, but Ryu simply doesn't have the mobility and style that Dante has. All the weapons in the worldnt change that he would be a boring character in DMC.
That said, Dreamrunner wouldn't be too out of place in NG game.
toastyToast
Member
That and there were more of them
Pause after first, second etc.
The Demon weapons could have used a few more combos
If Dante didn't have the amount of I-frames in his moves he does or Royal Guard, then I'd agree with you.
I think you need to take a step back from your haters gonna hate perspective. It's not outrageous to expect great successive playthroughs and difficulty in a DMC game. It has been a staple since the beginning and it's a reasonable expectation. People might argue that DMC1 only becomes special during DMD mode. Some people who are playing through on multiple difficulties are hoping later difficulties will save the game for them.
Glass Rebel
Member
Except I never said the game sucks, I'm just not enjoying it during my second playthrough as much as I did the first half because it's constantly interrupting the actual gameplay with annoying cutscenes. I felt the same way with Max Payne 3, except I liked that game throughout.
But I'm sure you'll find another thing to shit your pants over.
Just search 'd3d11' in the INI file (under Documents/My Games/UnrealEngine3/DevilGame/Config/DevilEngine).
Funny thing about the INI file, I found some graphical settings for the iPhone 4, iPad 1-2, and Android devices lol.
Funny post as you clearly don't understand what a DMC fan is. A DMC fan doesn't grasp the quality of an action game on one walkthrough and the default difficulty setting.
It's like the Diablo fans shitting on D3 after playing it for 200 hours on Inferno. Those higher difficulties weren't made for casual audiences but for the fans.
Fact is the game doesn't hold that well on higher difficulties or on multiple walkthroughs. At least not as well as the OG DMC games.
Baby, stop smoking dat lala. Dante ain't got no UTs.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
royal guard doesn't defend against grabs. Every time you stopped to do the animation you would open yourself to cheap grabs and suicide attacks
and blocking IS/ Missiles was the very worst thing you could do. Better to let it hit you and take advantage of the I-frames you get dashing/Countering
No. Just No.
Not in form nor function.
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