From what I have read, it seems he was on pretty good terms with the DNC during his time in the senate. Even had Obama campaigning for him.
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DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz to step down, Joining Clinton campaign
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From what I have read, it seems he was on pretty good terms with the DNC during his time in the senate. Even had Obama campaigning for him.
March of the Crabs
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If there's nothing to hide, there's nothing to worry about. If there are things that come out... that's not someone who you should want running your country. Willful ignorance is not a solution.
EDIT: I should note that as an outsider looking in, my opinion is that since Clinton is not a xenophobic monster who wants to sleep with her daughter, she is always going to (sadly) be the better option.
EDIT: I should note that as an outsider looking in, my opinion is that since Clinton is not a xenophobic monster who wants to sleep with her daughter, she is always going to (sadly) be the better option.
jack_package_200
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Its almost like they are trying to fuck over the DNC...
Also this. They helped with any challengers and had him be part of their committees.
Because apparently DWS is an actual vengeful asshole, like the one Sanders supporters imagine Hillary to be.
According to Politco, the Clinton campign has wanted Debbie out of the DNC since fall, but Obama cautioned against angrying her since firing her like that would make her a "huge pain in the ass".
Which is why Bernie doesn't give a damn about the DNC leaks much, he already knew most of this was happening even before he endorsed Clinton, and both Hillary and Obama weren't thrilled with DWS either.
Trump played the GOP using their own strategy. GOP talked a lot about changing and maybe some of it was true for the future but Trump kneecapped them straight up by going full on southern strategy against them.
Sirpopopop
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From NYT:
It seems fairly likely that this was the result of the Russians hacking the DNC.
googleplex
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And shows absolutely nothing. Not that it matters to you though.
Not defending the guy here, but I'm not clear why an alleged anti-semitic person would want to help Trump? I'm pretty sure that's the one group he has yet to explicitly offend.
It doesn't show nothing. It shows a bunch of people who deserve to be fired, but it also shows that they didn't act on any of their biases or the anti-Semitic thing.
EatinOlives
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Nothing has come out that directly implicates Clinton, just a bunch of random staffers from the DNC that have expressed shitty opinions.
Aaronology
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There are only two possible outcomes this November. If any current or future leaks reveal that D ticket exposes America to the same level of danger as the R ticket or more, I will be forced to reevaluate my support of the Party. Until that happens, however, the end game for me and Progressives in America remain unchanged. This is not willful ignorance on my behalf but a unwavering determination to remain on the only path that ensures me and many other Americans are not left in a state of peril that a Trump presidency would create.
Doc Holliday
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One thing, funny how both parties got shitty leaders at the same time.
DWS and rance priebus are both very unlikeble as chairs. Priebus makes me miss Michael Steele and DWS is no Howard Dean.
DWS and rance priebus are both very unlikeble as chairs. Priebus makes me miss Michael Steele and DWS is no Howard Dean.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Depends on what you mean by explicit. We had the "good negotiators" comment, the star of david tweet, and he has an army of anti-semitic supporters on twitter that harass Jewish reporters.
excelsiorlef
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That's not really how that works. Plenty of benign shit can be twisted into supreme villainy.
Tear both parties down and start from scratch
March of the Crabs
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I like this response. I wasn't trying to create an argument or anything I was just curious on people's thoughts and opinions. This makes perfect sense to me.
Gotdatmoney
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If you don't think this is what happens in politics across the world you're mistaken. The nastiness and the pettiness is a common trait in politics. I'm certain you would see similar shit in other countries, definitely in the republican party. Rude shit is not necessarily malignant though and nothing in these emails I've seen so far is really telling of a huge issue. It just says these people are really fucking dumb about their email.
DNC emails didn't really hurt Clinton but taking DWS into her campaign connects her directly to the emails. Now it does hurt her. They must feel like they can take the weight of that.
To be honest I don't really care as a voter, because I'm voting against Trump either way. Some swing voters may care so the question is how many. She loses what little trust she has with stuff like this. Don't know if anyone will care by November.
To be honest I don't really care as a voter, because I'm voting against Trump either way. Some swing voters may care so the question is how many. She loses what little trust she has with stuff like this. Don't know if anyone will care by November.
rokkerkory
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I dont think either sanders or clinton is responsible for this episode however
But yeah generally i agree
Can we have obama again? Tia
Doc Holliday
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Or we could just replace the leader like the DNC just did.
Trump is the embodiment of the caricature of the perfect American that Republicans have basically espoused for years now using the rhetoric that the GOP has danced around and flirted with for decades.
Intentionally or not, coincidence or calculated, Trump is pretty much the perfect embodiment of what you could imagine Tea Party conservative would create in a lab if it could manufacture their fantasy candidate from scratch.
excelsiorlef
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Can't do that when one party is guaranteed to win.
Doc Holliday
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Well CNN is going in lol
"Is Putin helping Trump?"
Could you imagine the GOP if this was Hillary?
"Is Putin helping Trump?"
Could you imagine the GOP if this was Hillary?
Not an option available here in reality.
CNN press credentials revoked
diablos991
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I'd hate to harp too much on this point, but:
2008
2016 (after fighting to get more than 6 paltry debates)
Nuclear- push the button.. always an option
You can't just say that and make it true
excelsiorlef
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It's not propaganda. They're exposing the corruption in the DNC.
Bam Bam Baklava
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2008 was way too much though and the GOP had way too many debates this year too. How many GOP debates did we have to suffer through this year just to hear Obama/Clinton bad, RADICAL ISLAM, and REAGAN!
Lord_Byron28
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Yeah it's obvious the leakers are trying to create mistrust and instability among democrats. If they are able to disenfranchise enough voters to either vote 3rd party or not vote, that would give Trump a significant advantage. Seems like they took a page out of how other European right wings rose to power by dividing the people with multiple parties. I hope Americans can remember "United we stand, divided we fall" when they head to the polls.
Right now I'm not too concerned about these leaks. However, I'll wait and see how these other leaks change public opinion before I start to worry. I imagine these leakers will try to sabotage the Democratic Convention by releasing leaks during the convention to rise controversy. What better way to distract people from the Republican shit show.
They've done a pretty poor job of that so far
Amazing how these hacker conveniently release this before the DNC and also amazing how apparently the RNC is this unhackable organization. I am also amazed at how these Russian hackers care so much about exposing corruption in America.
Well, a couple things:
1. There were way more contenders in '08, meaning more debates were needed.
2. There were way too many debates in '08. 6 was more than enough to know all the candidates positions. The number they settled on was fine but if they were to have the same number as in 2008 it would be way, way, way too many.
GiantEnemyGoomba
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We should probably wait a few months to stop the very scary Cheeto from winning the presidency first.
Aaronology
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Biden.
Clinton.
Edwards.
Obama.
Richardson.
Gravel.
Kucinich.
A fierce lineup of candidates and, indeed, the primary ended up being extremely close by the end. You are comparing the number of debates needed for 7 people in a hotly contested race to that of this undeniably tamer cycle where we only had Clinton, Sanders and (briefly) that other guy. I am not convinced this is a great argument showing DWS's bias.
Oh it's totally propaganda. Whether Wikileaks is in on it or not, it's not hard to see how Russia is involving itself in the election. The question is whether their influence can make a difference.
Bam Bam Baklava
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If there was some kind of way to sign an agreement that the DNC would be completely rebuilt with Sanders supporters equally involved AFTER November I would take that deal. For the love of god, anything to avoid this nuclear disaster.
diablos991
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Russia has pretty much always wanted to show corruption of the west. That isn't an amazing thought.
The hackers didn't decide the timing. Wikileaks did.
The timing was effective as wikileaks wanted to be sure the spotlight was on the DNC before exposing the them.
RNC release would likely play into the hands of trump. It is very likely the RNC was doing the same thing to trump as DNC was doing to sanders.
Aaronology
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What corruption has been exposed again? News is moving so fast; I must have missed a development.
Roland_Gunner
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Ann Coulter is a great resource for exposing Democratic corruption. Or at least wikilinks says she is:
Bam Bam Baklava
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How about Russia gets us a copy of Trump's tax returns? That would help achieve transparency.
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