Captain Stew
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Love his enthusiasm, hopefully the DNC brings him and people like him into the fold.
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DNC staffer berates Donna Brazile for helping elect Donald Trump
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Trump got elected on a radicalized Tea Party platform. And every congressional race that hitched their wagon to his got elected as well. So yeah that did work out wonderfully for them. The problem with the Tea Party was that they always stopped six steps shy of bat shit crazy. Trump saw this nearly 3 years ago.
CrispyBoar
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Terrific, so that statement alone means you don't care about minorities like me, women & LGBT rights, & don't care if we suffer.
That's what you're telling us.
Henchmen21
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You're right...Remind me who controls all 3 branches of government? And has controlled the house for 6 years? But it sure hasn't worked out for the Tea Party....sigh
Jesus christ...when will you clintonista's realize that the whole reason Clinton got more votes was because of the tipping of the scales by the DNC in her favor? Is it that you can't learn or choose not to?
Never apparently. I swear...
To add to your list...Supreme Court
You're right, she didn't have a message beyond "Trump is bad" and "our country is on the right track". I'm annoyed that she neded more than that because she was fucking right, but that's not how American politics works. We needed someone that could appeal to WCW that didn't have the socialist baggage Bernie had. We needed Biden.
Except your exam score affected many peoples' livelihood and you've proven to be an irresponsible, arrogant person. Then I'm sure they would be mad.
People aren't being listened too and this is the only way they are going to get the message. This whole election is the result of people not listening to each other. We can't just calmly sit down because we've been doing that and it hasn't worked. It's time to step it up now. We just can't afford to do this again. The DNC is just showing that they want to recede back into their bubble that got them into this trouble to begin with.
I mean, yeah, but they aren't elected. Turns out, democrats didn't really care about the Supreme Court.
No, he's saying that without a galvanizing figure, most people won't vote. They want someone they are excited for. This is just reality. I give a shit, hence why I stood in line and voted for Hillary, but for every person like me, there were fifteen people who wouldn't because they didn't like her.
It's the candidate, stupid. No more coronations. No more "it's their turn." We need to coalesce around someone that is generally liked and has a relatively clean history.
And to go against Trump? We need someone young. Someone with energy.
This ridiculous belief needs to die. Bernie lost because he ran a god awful campaign and got his shit together way too God damn late. You wanna win a Dem Primary, then you go to the South and try like hell to appeal to black voters. Bernie didn't do that and he lost plain and simple. Things like Donna Brazille sending Hillary worthless questions didn't change shit and the sooner you realize that the better.
Septimus Prime
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Gtfo, Brazile.
Henchmen21
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Oh ffs...enough with this "socialist baggage" bs. But keep doubling down on the current strategy. That surely will work!
I'm honestly starting to believe the democrats are a lost cause and needs to die.
Belief? Are you serious? The DNC emails are just a belief? DWS having to step down (along with 4 others) is just a belief?
You mean the south that was never going to go for Hillary ever during the GE?
Yep. We either react now while the iron is hot or we risk losing AGAIN in two years. Start with local elections for the next year. And then the midterms. And then local. And THEN we get our window to throw Trump out and begin undoing everything he did.
But it starts right now.
GoldenEye 007
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I'm a minority and this reality sucks. But to get the votes needed, that's how a campaign is going to have to be run. If you can't get elected, then none of your policies matter.
Get elected first, then worry about the rest. Playing on fear does not work. Ignoring a critical part of the voting base because you think you have them in the bag does not work either. Ignoring them because you think (or know) they are racist or beneath you. Does. Not. Work.
I'm sick of it too. I've never heard anyone complain about Bernie being a socialist (besides the people worried about others complaining.) Trump just won the presidency! It's safe to say that people were tired and would've gladly voted for an exceptional candidate. Just think of what we could've had. If we wanted to jump to the left and make progress, this was our election and we blew it.
Dash_Riprock
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No this election has also proven that the average voter, when confronted with two choices he/she doesn't like, simply won't vote.
What this election showed is that it's too soon for identity politics to make a real difference. Too many racist/sexist whites who don't like being called that. We do have to coddle bigots or step lightly around them, at least for the next few elections, until minorities become the majority.
But it appears that calling it like it is and saying that half the voting base is deplorable is a losing strategy. White fragility is a very real thing.
the_batman
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who ran the DNC when Obama first won, and in 2012? why are they so pathetically incompetent this time around?
Or tailor your message for the audience. How does politics work again?
GoldenEye 007
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Yup. No reason to necessarily abandon social issues. But don't bring it up in the rural areas. Talk about the economy. Save the social issues for the urban centers where it is more relevant anyway.
Dean ran the DNC for 05 - 08 with the 50 state strategy. He should be the only one considered unless Ellison is willing to commit full time.
The hubris of giving DWS a spot at the Hillary campaign was mind blowing.
Dash_Riprock
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I agree with you, but isn't "tailoring your message" essentially coddling them?
Henchmen21
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Kaine during the First and DWS during the second and it was only due to Obama that the dems even picked up seats during the last presidential (which usually happens with a candidate people like).
Fair enough. But so much is made of how ignorant and racist people are and that's not an uplifting message. It's not an inclusive one.
Ding ding ding ding. We have a winner.
I also think this election cycle has shown more than ever.... the US voter is tired of establishment politicians. They should have seen it when Obama was elected but they seemingly learned absolutely nothing from 2008.
PeskyToaster
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Too bad the south counts for shit in the general. Besides Florida. The primary system is flawed it's not the way to pick a winner. What's the point of counting states you're guaranteed to lose or win in the general?
FrontalMonk
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The optics was bad, but it was basically just a way to shut her up, because she only held onto the power she had by threatening to go nuclear with gossipy bullshit we don't even know about that would have apparently sunk the campaign worse than it had.
Zach 2020
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That was mean of Zach 
UN-goddamned-believable
"Looks like it's someone's first election"
"Kids these these know nothing about Hillary's GROUND GAME"
"Pragmatism"
What is so unbelievable? Policies won't be any different. Minorities will be better off. But the messaging has to change or middle america will revolt.
Why can't we have both? Bernie was able to, despite the fact that Hillary's people built up some narrative that he though social issues were a distraction to economic ones (lol).
GoldenEye 007
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Right. That has to go away too. Even if it is partially true. Positivity, optimism, looking to the future, excitement, etc.
The stuff that allowed Obama to do what he did. Yes, I do know he had the benefit of an unpopular GOP candidate, but he energized a base like nobody in history.
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thepotatoman
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So is the Bernie wing now the pragmatists, while the Hillary wing is the idealists?
GoldenEye 007
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Messaging has to be tailored to different types of bases. It's not that hard.
What I mean is bring up social issues where it matters more. That does not mean instead of economic issues that affect people in urban areas too.
Dash_Riprock
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If you wanna keep bringing it up and calling rural white voters them stupid racist rednecks at every chance, thats perfectly fine. Just don't be surprised and come here whining when they either vote red next election or just don't vote at all. NOBODY likes being yelled at and told they're stupid/evil. The moment you do, they tune out anything else you say, however fact-filled and even helpful to them it might be.
Astaleview
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We have to change. We have to get people excited. We have to actually care. We have to listen to folks like Zach. We are going to either have radical change that excites or fail. We have to get going. No time for bullshit. She needed to get yelled at, and she needs to leave. Same with all who booed.
It's go time! I want to see shit happen now! Right now!
It's go time! I want to see shit happen now! Right now!
I don't give a shit about wings or this camp or that camp.
I want dems to WIN. Who gives a shit how at this point, really.
GoldenEye 007
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Yup. Take a page from the GOP playbook. Those fuckers fall in line quick.
Henchmen21
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Ugh "Pragmatism". That's a word I never want to hear again.
Dash_Riprock
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We're gonna need this mentality from here on out. Swallow your pride and vote. It sucks, but the alternative is what we have now.
If you find the right candidate, it won't be that bad. You'll be excited. Energized.
Too few were that way with Hillary. Too many of us had to swallow our concerns and vote.
Find someone goddamn charismatic.
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