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[lobdale]

Hilrod is a corrupt sleazebag, wouldn't surprise me to know she's got puppetmaster shit going on all over the campaign.

 

[Cipherr]

Lord that reddit.....

But that's sort of to be expected. The individual forums there for every candidate is are likely to just be echo chambers.

 

[FloydtheFathead]

And it all traces back to one man...


...Ben Ghazi

Vince Foster turns out to be the true big bad.

 

[scoobidoo112]

Reddit is trying its hardest to downvote this story into oblivion lol..

What are you talking about? Right now, there are 9 posts about it on the front page of /r/politics and 2 on the front page of /r/technology, with most of them sitting at around 90% upvoted and the lowest at 73%.

Lord that reddit.....

But that's sort of to be expected. The individual forums there for every candidate is are likely to just be echo chambers.

Can you point me to any websites that aren't or do not contain echo-chambers? People find common ground on things and form groups. That's in the nature of our being.

 

[Pastry]

What are you talking about? Right now, there are 9 posts about it on the front page of /r/politics and 2 on the front page of /r/technology, with most of them sitting at around 90% upvoted and the lowest at 73%.

Is one of those posts the fanfic you provided us with?

 

[sixteen-bit]

Don't Not be Clinton

double negative? why not just Do Nominate Clinton?

 

[QuiteWhittle]

Clinton campaign released a statement

 

[VendettaRed07]

Hilrod is a corrupt sleazebag, wouldn't surprise me to know she's got puppetmaster shit going on all over the campaign.

Maybe Hillary should include as part of her college plan, free Puppet Master courses at state Universities so that aspiring politicians learn how to keep their idiot staff members in check and young Democratic Socialists can avoid making the same mistakes Bernie has.

 

[Foffy]

...Ben Ghazi

...Bern Ghazi.

 

[Arkeband]

"It's like if someone left their front door open, so you leave a note on the inside of their house to let them know what happened. And then you maybe go looking through their house to see if any other doors or windows were left open.".

His analogy was beyond stupid but he said "walk around the house to check the side doors" or something. It's still an utterly moronic analogy, but it wasn't as dumb as you paraphrased.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

Also the timing for all of this is just WAY too coincidental. I'm smelling plants, and not the good kind. Sanders has a public record going back DECADES where he never did stuff like this himself. Now suddenly people in his staff screw him out of the running by way of a breach? Who's to say they weren't approached by outside people and bribed to do this? Who's to say those outside people don't have some connection to Hilary, or Trump even?

I mean, it's not an outlandish assumption. They recently proved P. Diddy was connected to Tupac's murder but the LAPD shut that investigation down because "reasons". Never underestimate people in power. We'll never have anyone outright say "yeah we infiltrated the campaign and got it shut down just in time for general election". No one'll come out to say that, b/c they'll be killed before saying it. They don't care about people like me saying it b/c we're not in a position of power. And they like all of their supporters dismissing the possibility and calling us conspiracy theorists b/c that's just an easy way to write off people without being critical of your own stance.

It is all simply too convenient. This is why the voting process is a complete farce at the higher level.

 

[B-Dubs]

Also the timing for all of this is just WAY too coincidental. I'm smelling plants, and not the good kind. Sanders has a public record going back DECADES where he never did stuff like this himself. Now suddenly people in his staff screw him out of the running by way of a breach? Who's to say they weren't approached by outside people and bribed to do this? Who's to say those outside people don't have some connection to Hilary, or Trump even?

I mean, it's not an outlandish assumption. They recently proved P. Diddy was connected to Tupac's murder but the LAPD shut that investigation down because "reasons". Never underestimate people in power. We'll never have anyone outright say "yeah we infiltrated the campaign and got it shut down just in time for general election". No one'll come out to say that, b/c they'll be killed before saying it. They don't care about people like me saying it b/c we're not in a position of power. And they like all of their supporters dismissing the possibility and calling us conspiracy theorists b/c that's just an easy way to write off people without being critical of your own stance.

It is all simply too convenient. This is why the voting process is a complete farce at the higher level.

Come on dude, Sanders's staff has been fucking up since day one. Barely a week has gone by where they haven't made an unforced error. Them doing something stupid like this was inevitable.

 

[VendettaRed07]

What are you talking about? Right now, there are 9 posts about it on the front page of /r/politics and 2 on the front page of /r/technology, with most of them sitting at around 90% upvoted and the lowest at 73%.

Trying but not really succeeding. The mods have removed a lot of threads that have headlines that don't angle the story in a certain way. The top stories basically reading as "Sanders threatens to sue !" "Why did the DNC leak this? Shillary's plan?" "Sanders Camp: The DNC is trying to undermine our campaign!"

 

[A Human Becoming]

Come on dude, Sanders's staff has been fucking up since day one. Barely a week has gone by where they haven't made an unforced error. Them doing something stupid like this was inevitable.

What do you mean?

 

[Orbis Tabula]

Also the timing for all of this is just WAY too coincidental. I'm smelling plants, and not the good kind. Sanders has a public record going back DECADES where he never did stuff like this himself. Now suddenly people in his staff screw him out of the running by way of a breach? Who's to say they weren't approached by outside people and bribed to do this? Who's to say those outside people don't have some connection to Hilary, or Trump even?

I mean, it's not an outlandish assumption. They recently proved P. Diddy was connected to Tupac's murder but the LAPD shut that investigation down because "reasons". Never underestimate people in power. We'll never have anyone outright say "yeah we infiltrated the campaign and got it shut down just in time for general election". No one'll come out to say that, b/c they'll be killed before saying it. They don't care about people like me saying it b/c we're not in a position of power. And they like all of their supporters dismissing the possibility and calling us conspiracy theorists b/c that's just an easy way to write off people without being critical of your own stance.

It is all simply too convenient. This is why the voting process is a complete farce at the higher level.

Even if this whole conspiracy were true, it really wouldn't reflect well on Sanders.

 

[Hindl]

Clinton campaign released a statement

Pretty much the right response. Fix the problem but she isn't attacking Sanders or anything

 

[B-Dubs]

What do you mean?

Well off the top of my head there was the build up to the last debate, the black lives matter stuff (before they got it straight and fixed the issue), Bernie recently revealing he's already writing his inauguration speech (his staff should know better than to put that out there) and some other minor ones. Bernie is good, but his staff can't seem to get their shit together.

 

[The Albatross]

What do you mean?

Unforced error is a sports phrase that means "shooting yourself in the foot." Meaning, it's an error that you cause on your own rather than having your opponent make some move against you that causes you to stumble.

 

[Fenderputty]

I'm willing to eat the red pill.

 

[Arkeband]

Unforced error is a sports phrase that means "shooting yourself in the foot." Meaning, it's an error that you cause on your own rather than having your opponent make some move against you that causes you to stumble.

Speaking of, have we had a 'Bernie just shot himself in the foot' post yet?

 

[Cyrillus]

Man, this is sad to see. I helped build the network for Bernie's campaign office in Burlington, and it was pretty apparent from the get-go that if anything caused Bernie's downfall, it would be his inept staff. His "IT Guy" is basically a polisci major from his Senate office that "knows computers." I had to explain to him what the difference between a public and private IP was, and why it was important for his office to have a router.

Most of the staffers I've spoken with are there because they are fiercely loyal, and believe in the man. I can admire Bernie rewarding that loyalty, but it doesn't give him the most proficient staff.

I hope he can pull out of this somehow, but the more details that come out, the worse it looks. I can honestly believe that perhaps Uretsky is telling the truth and they were simply trying to show the extent of the security breach, but there's no way anyone is going to believe that after the fact, and even if true it was a silly way to go about proving it.

 

[QuiteWhittle]

After one Sanders account gained access to the Clinton data, the audits show, that user began sharing permissions with other Sanders users. The staffers who secured access to the Clinton data included Uretsky and his deputy, Russell Drapkin. The two other usernames that viewed Clinton information were “talani" and "csmith_bernie," created by Uretsky's account after the breach began.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...s-data-director-after-breach-of-clinton-files

 

[Big Baybee]

Also the timing for all of this is just WAY too coincidental. I'm smelling plants, and not the good kind. Sanders has a public record going back DECADES where he never did stuff like this himself. Now suddenly people in his staff screw him out of the running by way of a breach? Who's to say they weren't approached by outside people and bribed to do this? Who's to say those outside people don't have some connection to Hilary, or Trump even?

I mean, it's not an outlandish assumption. They recently proved P. Diddy was connected to Tupac's murder but the LAPD shut that investigation down because "reasons". Never underestimate people in power. We'll never have anyone outright say "yeah we infiltrated the campaign and got it shut down just in time for general election". No one'll come out to say that, b/c they'll be killed before saying it. They don't care about people like me saying it b/c we're not in a position of power. And they like all of their supporters dismissing the possibility and calling us conspiracy theorists b/c that's just an easy way to write off people without being critical of your own stance.

It is all simply too convenient. This is why the voting process is a complete farce at the higher level.

Sanders' campaign just did something shitty. It's ok, not the end of the world.

 

[Arkeband]

After one Sanders account gained access to the Clinton data, the audits show, that user began sharing permissions with other Sanders users. The staffers who secured access to the Clinton data included Uretsky and his deputy, Russell Drapkin. The two other usernames that viewed Clinton information were “talani" and "csmith_bernie," created by Uretsky's account after the breach began.

Agent Smith is a fictional character in the The Matrix franchise. He is portrayed by Hugo Weaving (and briefly by Ian Bliss) in the films and voiced by Christopher Corey Smith in The Matrix: Path of Neo.

C SMITH

underscore!!!

BERNIE = BERNIE SANDERS

TL;DR for the plebs: We're living in The Matrix and Bernie Sanders is Agent Smith.

 

[ErasureAcer]

Dropped in $50 more to the campaign to elect the next President, Bernie Sanders. The double-standard of the DNC/Pro-Clinton data vendor is reprehensible. There was a breach back in October that Bernie's team believed had taken/viewed their data by another campaign...where was the gavel there? Bernie is not getting a fair shake. #EqualJustice

This reflects very poorly on the DNC. They are the corrupt police officer. #BernieIsBlack

 

[Holmes]

Disappointed but not surprised that Bernie's staff has shown itself to be corrupt and dishonest, and even tried to cover up their crime. The DNC is right in punishing a campaign that breaks the rules and tries to get away with it. #BernGhazi

 

[Grizzlyjin]

Also the timing for all of this is just WAY too coincidental. I'm smelling plants, and not the good kind. Sanders has a public record going back DECADES where he never did stuff like this himself. Now suddenly people in his staff screw him out of the running by way of a breach? Who's to say they weren't approached by outside people and bribed to do this? Who's to say those outside people don't have some connection to Hilary, or Trump even?

I mean, it's not an outlandish assumption. They recently proved P. Diddy was connected to Tupac's murder but the LAPD shut that investigation down because "reasons". Never underestimate people in power. We'll never have anyone outright say "yeah we infiltrated the campaign and got it shut down just in time for general election". No one'll come out to say that, b/c they'll be killed before saying it. They don't care about people like me saying it b/c we're not in a position of power. And they like all of their supporters dismissing the possibility and calling us conspiracy theorists b/c that's just an easy way to write off people without being critical of your own stance.

It is all simply too convenient. This is why the voting process is a complete farce at the higher level.

No, it's the definition of an outlandish assumption. You're letting your bias lead you to an assumption. Based off what we know, it was a Bernie staffer. The beauty of conspiracy theories is the lack of evidence to prove it is part of the conspiracy theory. Cherry pick the narrative you like, ignore everything else. Don't go down that road, man. You can be supportive of Sanders and not okay with a member of his staff fucking up royally.

 

[Bay Maximus]

Everyone is a Clinton plant; Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders, Barack Obama, ISIS. Clinton has played the world like a puppeteer for it all to come to this point.

 

[scoobidoo112]

Sanders' campaign just did something shitty. It's ok, not the end of the world.

I'm still not sure what the "shitty" thing the campaign supposedly did is. No data was exported, the campaign fired the person responsible like immediately, who then did an interview with CNN and extensively apologized and openly explained what he did and why, like is any of this a legitimate reason for the DNC to freeze Sanders's campaign?

This is straight from the VAN website:

http://blog.ngpvan.com/data-security-and-privacy

First, a one page-style report containing summary data on a list was saved out of VoteBuilder by one Sanders user. This is what some people have referred to as the “export” from VoteBuilder. As noted below, users were unable to export lists of people.

For a brief window, the voter data that is always searchable across campaigns in VoteBuilder included client scores it should not have, on a specific part of the VAN system. So for voters that a user already had access to, that user was able to search by and view (but not export or save or act on) some attributes that came from another campaign.

This whole thing is blown out of proportions and reeks of shadiness. No surprise that the CEO of VAN was Hilary's CTO during her 2008 presidential run and is actively supporting her campaign.

 

[Captain Tuttle]

I don't even care if it was malicious or not, fuck Hilary and her corporate campaign. Within reason the goal justifies the methods to stop her nomination. This might end up badly though looking at the fact that people in general care more about drama than the improvements of their own lives.

Bernie never ever had a chance

Nice meltdown though

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

Sanders' campaign just did something shitty. It's ok, not the end of the world.

You're right. It's just the end of America.

No, it's the definition of an outlandish assumption. You're letting your bias lead you to an assumption. Based off what we know, it was a Bernie staffer. The beauty of conspiracy theories is the lack of evidence to prove it is part of the conspiracy theory. Cherry pick the narrative you like, ignore everything else. Don't go down that road, man. You can be supportive of Sanders and not okay with a member of his staff fucking up royally.

But I am supportive of Sanders. He's my favorite out of the Dem candidates and for lots of sound reasons. That's why I'm upset; someone else's mistake is going to drag his campaign into the toilet, and for a campaign as monumental and important as this, it's impossible to believe these idiots got their hands into it without someone else on the other side either pushing them into the fold or knowing their flaws and letting them join the fold anyway, which is almost as bad. There's plenty of ways to sabotage a competitor, a good few of them very hands off. Even not doing something could be doing something if you get what I mean.

I know Bernie is not responsible for this, he didn't give orders from the top for them to do any of this and never planted the idea in their head or encouraged it. So I'm still supportive of him. But it's going to be incredibly difficult for him to stand a real chance in the general election now b/c you know the mainstream outlets are going to run wild w/ the story. It's no secret they support Hilary more than Bernie, and pushing this fiasco out there like it's Bernie's complete fault just helps them and their favorite.

So if anything I'm honestly irked off w/ them, and other outside influences, possibly meddling in the pot and throwing variables in the whole thing to lead to this whole ordeal. And since "they" (media outlets, particular politicians in the Democrat and Republican party, corporate sponsers etc) are in positions of great power, and knowing there are patterns of candidates and people for change being "taken care of" out of nowhere (JFK, MLK Jr, Malcolm X, Snowden tho technically he isn't dead), it's not far-fetched to say "they" may have conspired to make this Bernie situation happen. No Knights of the Round/S.E.E.L.E scheming at the table in the dark w/ masks and robes on shit, but conspire all the same.

It's just another blow to confidence in the voting process. People like Sanders are a "too good to be true" deal, and if they can't be stopped based on their own flaws, it comes down to the ineptitude and maliciousness of people close to them. How those people get close to them is the issue.

 

[Inuhanyou]

It's pretty funny that these posts are right next to each other.

I don't trust the DNC just based on how i know they have been for establishment candidates.

If they have nothing to do with it, they most certainly are all too happy to blow it up and tank Bernie. DWS has already been in the pocket of Hillary since before the election began, its no secret.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

The thing that really baffles me about the conspiracy theorists is that I find it really hard to believe Clinton would be involved in something so obviously stupid. Why risk something which will do damage to the entire Democratic ticket to take out a guy who isn't beating you? Why split and ossify the base when you know you're already the most electable option and the GOP so far is only offering a field of circus performers as competition?

I do admit that BernGhazi is the catchiest tagline so far this election

 

[Cerium]

I'm still not sure what the "shitty" thing the campaign supposedly did is. No data was exported

Get your facts straight. Read the OP, the updates are right there.

We have a fucking video of Uretsky admitting he downloaded and stole the data:

Here's MSNBC's interview with the staffer

http://www.msnbc.com/thomas-roberts/watch/fired-sanders-campaign-staffer-speaks-out-588356675888

 

[scoobidoo112]

Get your facts straight. Read the OP, the updates are right there.

Read. The link I posted is FROM THE COMPANY THAT HOSTS THE DATABASES.

 

[Blader]

Also the timing for all of this is just WAY too coincidental. I'm smelling plants, and not the good kind. Sanders has a public record going back DECADES where he never did stuff like this himself. Now suddenly people in his staff screw him out of the running by way of a breach?

Does Sanders have a record of putting together a presidential campaign staff that goes back decades too?

 

[Cerium]

Read. The link I posted is FROM THE COMPANY THAT HOSTS THE DATABASES.

THERE IS A FUCKING VIDEO OF THE SANDERS DATA DIRECTOR ADMITTING WHAT HE DID.

Jesus Christ.

 

[scoobidoo112]

THERE IS A FUCKING VIDEO OF THE SANDERS DATA DIRECTOR ADMITTING WHAT HE DID.

Jesus Christ.

So the company that actually maintains and fixes these databases is lying? Read the post, "saving" data means a different thing here.

 

[Captain Tuttle]

The thing that really baffles me about the conspiracy theorists is that I find it really hard to believe Clinton would be involved in something so obviously stupid. Why risk something which will do damage to the entire Democratic ticket to take out a guy who isn't beating you? Why split and ossify the base when you know you're already the most electable option and the GOP so far is only offering a field of circus performers as competition?

I do admit that BernGhazi is the catchiest tagline so far this election

Well Watergate did happen just before Nixon won a landslide election, it was his own insecurity that drove him

 

[Rebel Leader]

Read. The link I posted is FROM THE COMPANY THAT HOSTS THE DATABASES.

THERE IS A FUCKING VIDEO OF THE SANDERS DATA DIRECTOR ADMITTING WHAT HE DID.

Jesus Christ.

So the company that actually maintains and fixes these databases is lying? Read the post, "saving" data means a different thing here.

----

This sucks

 

[pigeon]

So the company that actually maintains and fixes these databases is lying? Read the post, "saving" data means a different thing here.

They didn't "save" the data using the internal save function. However, what they did do is create lists that duplicated the data in Clinton's lists. This doesn't look like "saving" to the database company, but for all practical purposes it is the same thing.

 

[Cerium]

I don't know why I even bother. You could probably get Bernie to admit to murder on tape and his stans won't believe it.

 

[JustenP88]

Yay! The Democratic primary has some juice! Maybe you turkeys will shut the fuck up about Trump now.

I don't know why I even bother.

You should stop bothering. That would be fantastic.

 

[Grizzlyjin]

The thing that really baffles me about the conspiracy theorists is that I find it really hard to believe Clinton would be involved in something so obviously stupid. Why risk something which will do damage to the entire Democratic ticket to take out a guy who isn't beating you? Why split and ossify the base when you know you're already the most electable option and the GOP so far is only offering a field of circus performers as competition?

That's why it doesn't make sense. If she was this great puppet master, why did she not get the nomination in 2008. She held on as long as she could, but where was the "just according to keikaku" level planning then. You don't manufacture this gigantic conspiracy when you're winning, you do it when you're in danger of losing...which as of yet she hasn't been. The risk outweighs the rewards. The core idea of the theory doesn't make sense.

I understand that Sanders' is going for a grassroots campaign and has cultivated a very passionate fanbase...but come on...if you look at this story and your first instinct is to pull up a conspiracy, it's time to back away a bit. At best, it was a staffer who picked the worst possible way to get this issue fixed. At worst, some of his staff was overzealous and took advantage of a situation. It isn't worth circling down the conspiracy drain over. It just makes his supporters seem unreasonable.

 

[Armaros]

That's why it doesn't make sense. If she was this master puppet master, why did she not get the nomination in 2008. She held on as long as she could, but where was the "just according to keikaku" level planning then. You don't manufacture this gigantic conspiracy when you're winning, you do it when you're in danger of losing...which as of yet she hasn't been. The risk outweighs the rewards. The core idea of the theory doesn't make sense.

I understand that Sanders' is going for a grassroots campaign and has cultivated a very passionate fanbase...but come on...if you look at this story and your first instinct is to pull up a conspiracy, it's time to back away a bit. At best, it was a staffer who picked the worst possible way to get this issue fixed. At worst, some of his staff was overzealous and took advantage of a situation. It isn't worth circling down the conspiracy drain over. It just makes his supporters seem unreasonable.

This thread is getting more insane as it goes on. It's really shocking how the rhetoric turns into the same crazy theories that get ridiculed when it about other subjects.

 

[eBay Huckster]

This thread is getting more insane as it goes on.

and to illustrate this, you quote one of the most level-headed posts on this page

 

[Volimar]

Julian Castro.

That's the dream ticket to a lot of dems.

 

[Herbs]

and to illustrate this, you quote one of the most level-headed posts on this page

lol

 

[ErasureAcer]

The thing that really baffles me about the conspiracy theorists is that I find it really hard to believe Clinton would be involved in something so obviously stupid. Why risk something which will do damage to the entire Democratic ticket to take out a guy who isn't beating you? Why split and ossify the base when you know you're already the most electable option and the GOP so far is only offering a field of circus performers as competition?

Clinton isn't in control...this all has everything to do with the Data Vendor whom the CEO is Pro-Clinton and I believe even worked for Bill Clinton. The fact Bernie's team alerted this vendor to problems in the system in October where Bernie thought his data was being taken(Was it? Where is the honest investigation into that?) and the problem continued to persist for another 2 months just shows that the DNC and its contractors are incompetent...yet let's punish(and kill the campaign) the guy who is closest to our favorite daughter in the nomination.

 

[Cipherr]

THERE IS A FUCKING VIDEO OF THE SANDERS DATA DIRECTOR ADMITTING WHAT HE DID.

Jesus Christ.

Shit is jokes. These dudes are the left's equivalent of the fact ignoring lunatics on the far right. Man is sitting here denying it happened while the dude that did it admits the shit live on television to millions.

I have no words.