Bragr
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But there is a difference between criticizing something and not playing modern games at all. There is a lot to criticize of older games too, there is no right or wrong era of gaming. At least not so far, as we are just in its infacy.
Do most Western AAA third party kinda suck these days?
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balls of snow
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Guardians of The Galaxy is 3rd party.
Doom Eternal is 3rd party.
Jedi Fallen Order is 3rd party.
So hypothesis is invalid. Next.
Doom Eternal is 3rd party.
Jedi Fallen Order is 3rd party.
So hypothesis is invalid. Next.
GHG
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I actually can't remember the last AAA Western game I bought at release. Maybe it was Ratchet and Clank but that's about it. Actually Forza Horizon 5 as well.
Outside of sim racing I mostly play VR games and indies these days with the odd Japanese game thrown in.
There is almost zero innovation in the AAA western gaming space at the moment, it's all very much been there done it.
Outside of sim racing I mostly play VR games and indies these days with the odd Japanese game thrown in.
There is almost zero innovation in the AAA western gaming space at the moment, it's all very much been there done it.
.Pennywise
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You're mixing publishers with developers. For example Square Enix and Sony have Western divisions (Sony is more Western than Japanese as of today, game dev speaking).
Or you'd call Insomniac's Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart an Eastern game just because Sony Publishes it? Returnal too?
Or does this come down to Xbox=Western, Sony+Nintendo=Eastern?
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kingpotato
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TheThreadsThatBindUs
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There are still entertaining games. But the quality has definitely dipped as they've chased releasing less games while monetising them more with MTXs and now NFTs (urgh).
Bragr
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There is no point here though, you mention a few western games over a whole decade, it doesn't prove anything. If you really wanna prove this point, you need to list a massive amount of games on both sides and make assumptions based on that, not just a few mediocre games here and there.
Some good western games from the last few years: Deathloop, Halo Infinite, Returnal, The Last of Us II, Ghosts of Tsushima, Dreams, Microsoft Flight Simulator, Ori games, Half-Life: Alyx, Hades, Crusader Kings III, Control, Total War games, Disco Elysium, Mortal Kombat 11, Red Dead Redemption 2, Spider-Man, God of War, Forza Horizon 4 & 5, Divinity: Original Sin II, Horizon: Zero Dawn, Uncharted: Lost Legacy.
And that's just a small subsection from the last few years.
Dream-Knife
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Yes. Monetization of paid games, broken incomplete games, and woke trash.
Western AAA needs to crash.
There are of course a few exceptions.
Western AAA needs to crash.
There are of course a few exceptions.
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CuteFaceJay
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Doom Eternal shook things up nicely.
Magic Carpet
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Farcry 6, Cyberpunk 2077, Bordrelands 3. I think these are the most recent western 3rd party games I've bought and played.
Only CP2077 was a dissapointment
FC6 met my expectations. It was fine.
BL3 was fine. My socks stayed on my feet but it was fine.
I'm starting to agree with OP that not much to look forward to in 3rd party land.
Only CP2077 was a dissapointment
FC6 met my expectations. It was fine.
BL3 was fine. My socks stayed on my feet but it was fine.
I'm starting to agree with OP that not much to look forward to in 3rd party land.
TheGodfather07
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It's sparse isn't it? Majority are trash designed to keep you playing and playing. I like my games to have an end. I used to play alot of EA and ubisoft games 10 years ago but now there is nothing I'm looking forward to from them. Rockstar games is probably the only western 3rd party left that I legit have some excitement for.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Well that depends on the person you are talking to. For me, I used to play lots of western games from the nineties up until the early PS4, and I can tell a decline in quality for sure. Games used to be more original and fun, today they all feel very samey.
There might be a decline in eastern games quality too but I think it's lesser than on the west.
All subjective of course.
Bragr
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What do you base that on though, because I think you are completely wrong. It also depends on what you play on, how much are you into early access, or do you only game on one system for example.
digoutyoursoul
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I think there is some very talented people in the industry, they produce things I certainly would not be able to.
On the flip side I think there is a growing number of people who placate these publishers and developers for their own benefit. The shills, the wannabe shills with the YouTube channels and Patreons who provide a soothing reminder to the overly sensitive audiences they gather, that their favourite brand is still good, no faults and all while the creator of this "content" benefits with a growing audience, regular income, paid advertising and freebies such as consoles, games, very limited editions of consoles and games.
In some cases that might lift the pressure and determination to make the best product. They see who the viewer flocks to and will notice a "everything is fine" here stance and people with sincere complaints are labelled haters and other nonsense like that. The best way to make your opinions matter is with a purchase or non purchase.
As Ronny Cox says in Robocop "Who cares if it works or not"
On the flip side I think there is a growing number of people who placate these publishers and developers for their own benefit. The shills, the wannabe shills with the YouTube channels and Patreons who provide a soothing reminder to the overly sensitive audiences they gather, that their favourite brand is still good, no faults and all while the creator of this "content" benefits with a growing audience, regular income, paid advertising and freebies such as consoles, games, very limited editions of consoles and games.
In some cases that might lift the pressure and determination to make the best product. They see who the viewer flocks to and will notice a "everything is fine" here stance and people with sincere complaints are labelled haters and other nonsense like that. The best way to make your opinions matter is with a purchase or non purchase.
As Ronny Cox says in Robocop "Who cares if it works or not"
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SlimySnake
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3 games in 3 years. OP said most. You just proved the OP right.
RevGaming
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Yeah. That's my point. It's American the publishers and not the American studios the problem.
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RevGaming
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.Pennywise
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LMAO, there's so much world in the West besides America.
I know you meant West tho. Still, you (and the OP I believe), are narrowing down the whole picture just to support your narrative. And the truth is, West and East have a lot of good and bad games alike. There's no such thing as all X games from Y are shit, only W games from Z are good.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Just based on me enjoying those western developed games much more in the past than now. From DOOM to Half-Life, Deus Ex, Baldur's Gate, Starcraft, and years later with Dead Space, Batman AA, Dragon Age: Origins, Max Payne 3 or Skyrim... Nowaday it's really hard for me to find a new release that offers me the amount of fun those games did.
Not saying everything is thrash, I loved DOOM Eternal and Metroid DREAD, but those are a few compared to all the releases.
I play on consoles and PC and I don't mind early access stuff, so long as it's justified and not some cashgrab trick. Don't know why that matters tho.
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Captain Toad
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I disagree. For me personally, 90% of the best games are still coming out of Japan.
I'll take the stuff Nintendo, SquareEnix, Capcom, From Software, Team Ninja and Atlus/Sega are making over almost anything coming out the rest of the world.
RevGaming
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Resident Evil, FF7, Monster Hunter, Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Solid 5 look trash?
They look better than a next gen game like Halo at least.
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RevGaming
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Is there an American Latin AAA game publisher?
No. I'm not narrowing down. I really do feel Japanese publishers are better.
I never said 100% or ALL, but it's like 60% for USA PUBLISHED AAA games are meh or bad and 30% for JAP PUB are meh or bad games.
You can name a list of controversial AAA USA published games vs Japanese ones. You'll see the gap.
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Saber
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Its not secret that most of good flavoring games comes from Japan. Guys knows how to make games in a way that pushes different takes, while retaining the fun aspect. Basically all the games I'm looking foward and build at least a good amount of hype are japanese games.
Western most of times goes with the flow, end up being repetitive and "all the same" games. While I can understand the visual aspect, those are mostly visual candies.
Western most of times goes with the flow, end up being repetitive and "all the same" games. While I can understand the visual aspect, those are mostly visual candies.
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Badlucktroll
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Those new Star Wars games should be ok
Thirty7ven
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Trash everywhere, there's no magic left, no hype, nada.
Horse armor was the beginning of the end.
Horse armor was the beginning of the end.
RevGaming
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How many woke games are there tho?
I could see Life is Strange, that wolfenstein game is def one, but I still don't see that much of an impact.
Tlou 2 is not one btw.
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itsjustJEFF
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That's a matter of opinion. They're really not that bad, if you set your expectations right. Most AAA games take much less risks than lower budget games. But in all fairness they have the "most" to lose, at least in terms of $$$. A lot of ppl like to complain about AAA big budget games but end up buying them anyway.
RevGaming
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lastmessiah
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Can I offer you a bigot sandwich?
rofif
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It's just random examples. There are more games. Resident Evils, Metro exodus, Evil within 2, Prey, Guardians of the Galaxy, FF7remake and other ff games, Doom - tons of other games.
I just said these few games as my favs from last few years. Also all other souls games, last guardian etc.
It's not my fucking fault so many good single player games are sony or japanese
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RevGaming
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Dream-Knife
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We will see more of an impact here shortly, as games take a while to develop. Corporations only recently accelerated wokeness as a divisionary method.
Most of it right now is extra characters added to GAAS games.
The_Mike
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RevGaming
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It's not lol. You people just can't filter what's woke and what's not.
Oh no! he says bigot sandwitch and only the women survive!! Abby is too big!!
Stop this.
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RevGaming
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Well, I get apex legends announcing half of their characters being that, but siege just added a trans character (after adding like 60 non lgbt characters) and I don't find a problem.
Some people just need to stop getting triggered by everything that it's not straight, white or male.
Dream-Knife
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Why does a characters sexuality matter in a hostage rescue game?
RevGaming
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Why does it bother you if it doesn't matter? It's just one, not all of them or half of them being lgtb like the Apex Legends launch characters where I could agree. But it's just one.
" Oh, you have 60 non trans characters, but 1 is just too much woke"
Are you going take 10 points of a game because it has that? Like you're making it a bigger issue than it is.
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Bragr
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It matters because right now there is so much on PC you can't find anywhere else, and early access and the PC indie scene is vast.
Breath of the Wild, Witcher 3, Last of Us 2, God of War, Bloodborne, Sekiro, Red Dead Redemption 2, GTA V, Mario Odyssey, Factorio, Persona 5, Original Sin: Divinity II. I don't see the problem here, there are some dips in some genres, but for the most part, the output is still very strong.
If there is some criticism, its about how complexity has increased so much that it has changed the design approach of games.
SantaC
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Not really. Japanese third parties > western third parties.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
When you are on a mushroom people apocalypse and you have to stop to admire the latest homolibrary in town.
It's woke as fuck dude.
Yeah for sure there's still a lot to enjoyu about modern games. It just happens that, for me, none of it has come from AAA western studios in the past few years.
Well maybe DOOM Eternal and Metroid DREAD, but those might be the exceptions.
alabtrosMyster
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99% of everything sucks, it had not changed over the course of my life.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
Nice to see gaf mentioning Doom Eternal. It is truly one of the best fps' in recent times, hell, of all time. id truly outdid themselves.
RevGaming
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homolibrary? Played the game twice and I didn't see a moment where they both stopped to talk about how it's like being gay. They're just little subtle things that you people get triggered by easily.
Get ready for Atreus to be Bisexual or Gay lol.
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Uh? I meant the gay book store, where they stop to make quirky jokes in the middle of an apocalypse.
I mean, if sacrificing your game's atmosphere and setting to include that kind of stuff just for the sake of it being there isn't woke, I don't know what woke is.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
I don't know man. A chick with a dick is kinda woke to me.
We are in a post apocalyptic world. Steroids are scarse. Abby apparently has the rest of the world stock in their hide out, cus its near impossible for a woman to be this buffed natural.
And no, those body builder females are using steroids. It is not biological possible for women to be this buffed.
ND literally took a male body builder torso and put a female head on it.
You being defense about TLoU2 before anyone said anything says its all.
It's OK you like woke games.
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