D3SCHA1N
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Dan Houser left rockstar, Sam is still there.
Do most Western AAA third party kinda suck these days?
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Inquisition and Ass 3 where good games on their own, but comparing them to Bioware's older titles, like Baldur's Gate 2 or Dragon Age: Origins, leaves them in a very bad place.
The artful mincer
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Is it one of them that insists on keeping there incredibly dated controls?
The Houser Brothers leaving has no bearing on your claim that most of their talent has left. You folks act like all these studios will turn to shit when people die or retire. There's succession planning.
Also, them making games once every half decade has zero bearing on your argument about the quality of western AAA games.
Yes indeed.
Now try to name great western games not from Sony
Red Dead? Control? GTA? Forza Horizon? Mortal Kombat? Batman Arkham series? GaaS behemoths like Apex? Rocksteady's Batman series? Destiny? Elder Scrolls? Doom?
The artful mincer
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Can we include western Devs under Japanese Publishers? If so Deus Ex Mankind Divided was good as well
Y0ssarian
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That's true. Tbh I just hope I enjoy Dragon Age 4 as much as I did Inquisition, or at least, that it's a decent game
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rofif
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I try. I install some gamepass games every now and then.
Recently The Forgotten City was AMAZING discovery. Love that game. So there is still hope.
But all in all I am still pretty close minded
deriks
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No
EA has hits and misses since forever, so meh
Ubisoft do just sequel games, but they're not exactly bad - could fix that fucking obligatory walk in every fucking game thou
Rockstar release a game every 10 years, so what?! Game development is not a gumball machine
and you say "remember the PS360 days?" like they didn't have a lot of problems back in the day
Dude, go play your backlog
EA has hits and misses since forever, so meh
Ubisoft do just sequel games, but they're not exactly bad - could fix that fucking obligatory walk in every fucking game thou
Rockstar release a game every 10 years, so what?! Game development is not a gumball machine
and you say "remember the PS360 days?" like they didn't have a lot of problems back in the day
Dude, go play your backlog
SSfox
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You named batman twice but agree overall, but most games you named are either old or rare. Batman 2015, Destiny 2014, Skyrim 2011, GTA 2013, i named RDR2 above. MK11 and Doom are awesome yes, that's why I said and few others in my comment.
SteelCurtain 59
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Maybe going forward as we start to remove games from Bethesda, Activision, and Bungie (and if there are any other acquisitions soon), but I can't think of a time when Japanese AAA games were better than Western AAA games. It's the thing with opinions, everybody has them, I'd much rather play EA/Ubisoft games than Square Enix/Capcom games, the only Square games I really like are the "Western" ones like Hitman, Deus Ex, and Tomb Raider, and Capcom really only has Resident Evil that I care about. You're welcome to dislike whatever games you dislike, but the whole "everything I don't like is trash" opinion is exhausting, and you're probably missing out on plenty of good games by just assuming it's garbage because it's by somebody in the West
Cyberpunkd
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Still better than Japanese devs, since at least Western games have good gameplay.
PropellerEar
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Infested Goblin
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I play Dying Light 2 since release and i don't remember when i had so much fun playing game in recent years. Maybe Hades or Fallout 4 few years ago but yea. If it comes to AAA gaming, DL 2 is much better in terms of gameplay than Cyberpunk 2077 which was essentialy AAAA game. I mean these are polish games so im not even sure if they are in western AAA category lol
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The question was about series or franchises. Of course those will always have old entries. Many of those are no older than Bloodborne that's cited in this thread as a great Japanese AAA game.
My bad about the Batman duplication.
SSfox
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The title is: Do most Western AAA third party kinda suck "these days?"
I speak for myself but i can hardly name many 3rd party western games that i loved post 2017, as opposite of Japanese games, but that's also a taste thing i guess.
kuncol02
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Crackdown 3 was way better than people trying to paint it. I had more fun with it than with new God of War.Listing crackdown 3 really helps our argument dude
ShirAhava
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After 2015 almost anything western has fallen off a cliff....IMO
I've never been so disinterested in gaming in my life the west being the market leader has everything to do with that
I'd rather play a subpar Japanese game over a 'good' western one I'm just not interested in the meh narratives and tired gameplay styles they are pushing
I've never been so disinterested in gaming in my life the west being the market leader has everything to do with that
I'd rather play a subpar Japanese game over a 'good' western one I'm just not interested in the meh narratives and tired gameplay styles they are pushing
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RevGaming
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EDIT: I MEAN AMERICAN PUBLISHERS < JAPANESE PUBLISHERS rather than studios
Hmm.
Lets see
Not westerned but, Ubisoft - assassin creed are not as good as before but they're still good enough. Siege got a turn around. For honor still has issues for me. The rest is junk. Brawlhalla wasn't made by them.
EA - Only Respawn made good games. Dice made bf1. The rest of the games that are good are from those smaller studios like Knockout city and Joseff games.
Activision - Crash, Spyro and Tony Hawk games. Destiny 2?
Blizzard- Overwatch and that is it
Take Two - Red dead 2, Borderlands 3 and Xcom 2 were their highlights.
WB - They barely made that many games but Arkham Knight, Shadow of Mordor, MK11, Injustice 2 were good games.
Bethesda - feel bad for bethesda because their good games didn't sell. Besides the wolfstein woke game and f76, they were good.
We know MS last gen.
Yeah. I guess so. Japanese publishers tend to put quality over sales first and the game sells by doing that. Nintendo, Bandai, Sega, Sony, Square and Capcom usually care about their games. There's some missteps with some of their multiplayer games because the devs don't know how to make one, but when it comes to single player games, they're the best.
American publishers just nickle and diming too much and they aren't trying to beat their previous games in quality.
Anyone, let me know if I missed a game
Hmm.
Lets see
Not westerned but, Ubisoft - assassin creed are not as good as before but they're still good enough. Siege got a turn around. For honor still has issues for me. The rest is junk. Brawlhalla wasn't made by them.
EA - Only Respawn made good games. Dice made bf1. The rest of the games that are good are from those smaller studios like Knockout city and Joseff games.
Activision - Crash, Spyro and Tony Hawk games. Destiny 2?
Blizzard- Overwatch and that is it
Take Two - Red dead 2, Borderlands 3 and Xcom 2 were their highlights.
WB - They barely made that many games but Arkham Knight, Shadow of Mordor, MK11, Injustice 2 were good games.
Bethesda - feel bad for bethesda because their good games didn't sell. Besides the wolfstein woke game and f76, they were good.
We know MS last gen.
Yeah. I guess so. Japanese publishers tend to put quality over sales first and the game sells by doing that. Nintendo, Bandai, Sega, Sony, Square and Capcom usually care about their games. There's some missteps with some of their multiplayer games because the devs don't know how to make one, but when it comes to single player games, they're the best.
American publishers just nickle and diming too much and they aren't trying to beat their previous games in quality.
Anyone, let me know if I missed a game
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Roman Empire
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To tell you the truth, I mostly talk or complain about games than actually play them. I think the industry is quite stale because of the corporization aspect of it where we hardly see a studio betting on doing something unique and different that has high chances of not recouping their investment, it is just how the market work. Doing something that isn't a sequel or a spin-off of an already well-established IP in the Triple-A landscape is a gamble that is not worth it most of the time.
Utherellus
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"all AAA games suck. no matter who you look at.
except of course sony's and japanese, they are the best"
Punished Miku
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The west is driving most of the best indies out there, so that's enough for me. They're also the bulk of the small scale VR stuff I'm finding on Oculus.
The homogenization in AAA just bores me, and yes Sony is falling into this as well. But really the customers have been part of the blame for years. When you get something new, then most people just wait and wont buy it. That's basically all it takes right there. And this constant obsession with graphics is doing nothing but limiting the amount of games you get.
No one is going to make a risky game with 500 developers for 6 years. So you're going to get the same thing you've played before, but really pretty. And even then, that's not enough money for them and they will nickel and dime you the entire time and make it a GAAS game.
It not only hurts creativity, but often times even makes the gameplay worse. You have to play with neon footprints telling you where to go, and neon outlining everything you have to interact with or else you literally can't see what to interact with in modern AAA games half the time.
AA is where you have teams of developers that can make an actual game bigger than an indie game, but still take some risks.
The homogenization in AAA just bores me, and yes Sony is falling into this as well. But really the customers have been part of the blame for years. When you get something new, then most people just wait and wont buy it. That's basically all it takes right there. And this constant obsession with graphics is doing nothing but limiting the amount of games you get.
No one is going to make a risky game with 500 developers for 6 years. So you're going to get the same thing you've played before, but really pretty. And even then, that's not enough money for them and they will nickel and dime you the entire time and make it a GAAS game.
It not only hurts creativity, but often times even makes the gameplay worse. You have to play with neon footprints telling you where to go, and neon outlining everything you have to interact with or else you literally can't see what to interact with in modern AAA games half the time.
AA is where you have teams of developers that can make an actual game bigger than an indie game, but still take some risks.
.Pennywise
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How about we do it the other way around and you name all the awesome AAA Eastern games OP?
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Please elaborate. What this "being a gamer" thing?
RevGaming
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Ain't most popular indie games top down, metroidvenia, 2d side scroller games?
I don't see innovation anywhere. Fortnite building mechanics was the only thing that wow meh last gen.
Swift_Star
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Yes, they do. Western is too sanitized and focused on open world and live services. I miss linear focused games with simpler system and cool graphics.
Punished Miku
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Inscryption is on multiple GOTY lists this year. You need to dig a little deeper to find things actually original. There's stuff out there.
DragonNCM
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Problem is developers are more focused on making "movies" than games.
I remember 360 & PS3 time when real gameplay was more important then narrative gameplay.
RevGaming
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I know you said OP but I agree with him 100% so I'm going to make the list.
Bandai Namco - Tales of, Scarlet Nexus, Tekken, Dark Souls, Elden Ring. They make Naruto games, right? Idk they have a lot of more smaller scale games, but I haven't heard Bandai have a f up with a game like Anthem, Bf2042, F76, c2077, gta trilogy, halo infinite debacle, siege when it launched, ghost recon breakpoint, shadow of war, battlefront 2, crackdown, sea of thieves, bleeding edge, state of decay 2, recycling sports games filled with mtx and call of duty annualy.
Capcom - Their resident evil multiplayer games all suck, but at least they weren't greedy with them. They just suck. Sf5 barely had content and Sony had to fund that game so I get it, but they turned that around. Post 2017 they have become the best third party publisher imo. Resident Evil, Sf5, Monster Hubter and Devil May Cry are all back. Pragmata and Dragon Dogma 2 are next. They closed dead rising studio but like I said, post 2017 they have made a comeback.
Square - Besides Avengers and ff15 (which is ok to me), ff14, ff7 remake, nier remake, nier automata, rise of the tomb raider (last one was meh because they changed developer and that was the worst decision ever because you ended up with avengers AND a lesser tomb raider). They have dragon quest. Deus ex had a good score. Just Cause was never good imo.
Sega - Persona 5 and the yakuza games have been pretty good. Sonic is lost tho. They're not as big anymore.
Konami - they are irrelevant.
Nintendo and Sony made better games than xbox last gen too. I know sony there were games like Killzone, Knack, the pokedex being cut in half but most of the time they excel.
I think we can see a pattern here. Japanese publishers are clearly more quality focused.
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RevGaming
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Don't tell me that the evolution of video games are actually a devolution.
Games that have a good story tend to end up being better. Without sacrificing good gameplay.
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Wildebeest
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The aim of "AAA" gaming is to spend such a huge amount of money that you bury the competition and drive them out of business. There are a few ways of doing this. One might be spending a fortune on a licence for a major sport. Nintendo might spend a large sum on prototyping new gameplay experiences, but in the west it was decided that the only way to go big in single player games was to copy the Hollywood blockbuster model and tell huge bombastic stories with likewise massive budgets for "art" or "asset pipelines" as they might call it.
RevGaming
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So another card game? Did it sell well like the other ones I mentioned? AAA games had stuff like Death Stranding, Fortnite, Overwatch. Nobody truly innovates that much. They just polish and add on top of what they already made.
Idk man. I don't see this indie are the innovating ones. Also, just because it's unique doesn't mean it's good.
When I see the nominated awards for indies, it's mostly top down or 2d side scroller games.
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Bragr
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Someone who searches for the best games across all consoles and PC, who doesn't hide behind excuses like "I don't like this genre" or "I don't like modern games" to hide that they are just casual andy's without the ability to really discern what a good game is, so they keep playing old games and waddle in their ignorance. Like someone who thinks they are the best fighter in the world, yet never been in a fight.
Only true real GAmYErs can truly judge a game because they ascended the casual plains.
RevGaming
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Well it's published by an eastern company so I think that's what makes the difference.I mean... Horizon Forbidden West is coming right? Also we have God of War Ragnorok. I guess if you're a Sony fan, AAA Western devs don't really suck.
Guerrilla is in Europe
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iHaunter
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Europe is still considered Western though. Unless they just meant American. In which case how far are we pushing this goal-post? Because God Of War is made by a US studio. So was Spider-Man and Ratchet and Clank.
RevGaming
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It doesn't matter. On the AAA level, western publishers are worst. If you have to look for hiding gems made by western indie studios all the time, there's a problem.
RevGaming
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Well I think it's mostly related to the publisher more than the studio.
Yes. Sony's best studios are American and one from Europe, but what I'm saying, if the publisher was EA or another american publisher, these games would suck in comparison.
Bragr
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There are great games from every part of the world, AAA and Indie. If you gonna have broad sweeping statements like this, you need to back it up. List it.
winjer
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The truth has been spoken.
The big studios of the gaming industry have become has greedy, uninspired and corrupt has the big studios in Hollywood. If not more.
iHaunter
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Hmm, it's possible. But weren't they independent before being purchased? I mean all these studios I mentioned AND more were not always owned by Sony. Even BluePoint was only JUST recently purchased. Same goes for the guys that did Returnal. Housemarque wasn't always part of Sony and still made good games. But I guess the message was, if they were under a shitty publisher.
RevGaming
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I have already list some, but tell me how many games Japanese publishers have made on AAA level (besides Avengers) that are as bad as the following:
F76, GTA trilogy, BF2042, Annual Sports games (that's FIFA, MADDEN and NBA2K every year), Recyled COD, Ghost Recon Breakpoint, Elder Scrolls online and Siege launch, The Division 1, BF4 launch, Evolve, C2077, Anthem, Mass Effect Andromeda, Shadow of War having mtx, Back 4 Blood...
wanna keep going?
There are few saving graces like Rockstar from T2 and Respawn from EA, but it's mostly trash.
WB is the best one of the american publishers and they wanted to sell that sadly.
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TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Uh... I dunno man. I kinda agree with the definition but I don't think anyone who's critic of modern gaming is a casual. It may be the opposite on fact, maybe the most "gamers" are those who are able to look at their beloved hobby and still criticice it.
RevGaming
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I don't think is possible. I think it is a fact.
Sony, Nintendo, Bamco, Square, Capcom, Sega, Koei > WB, Ubisoft, T2, EA, AB, Bethesda, MS
any day of the week
Yeah. I don't think western STUDIOS make bad games. I think western publishers make mostly bad or average games.
rofif
Banned
well... yes
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