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[Bragr]

Like the inconsistent use of powers MCU characters have at their disposal, or character assassinations or still expecting us to buy into a future redemption of Wanda?

I haven't watched any other fan stuff about this movie, but this is what drove me nuts:

- They consistently try to "ground" Doctor Strange to the real world and real problems by having girl issues by bringing in Kristine as "the girl who got away". But Strange has the world on his shoulders, he's in the Avengers and has saved the galaxy from Thanos. Am I supposed to believe he struggles with "not being happy" because he isn't together with a fling he had when he was a young doctor? he was pretty much over here in the first movie towards the end, here, he can't go 15 seconds without getting depressed he ain't with Kristine. It's such a trite nonsensical side-story.

- The Witch got trapped behind a blast door, Strange and Amerika looked into the darkness for a while, and then the Witch popped up in front of the blast door? huh? even if she popped past the blast door, why did she just stand in the darkness for so long?

- Strange, Amerika and Kristine jumps into a weird dimensional to find a book. They unlock a magic door and walk inside. But they don't close the magic door and the Witch just walks in after them, huh? why let her in?

- Picard leading "the illuminati" with the worst alternate superheroes I have ever seen. The Fantastic Four guy from the office looked like a cooked shrimp in that suit.

- At the end, the Witch was sitting inside the room with those kids, but when Amerika closed the portal, she was sitting in the throne room? huh? she never went through the portal.

- The Witch wants to travel to another dimension to be a house mom? and she wants Amerika's power so she could find medicine in different universes in case the kids get sick? who writes this?

- That terrible zombie costume when Strange dream walked his dead alternate body, and how the zombie walked and talked like he was hand-animated. It was like it turned into a Charlie Chaplin movie.

- The small evil spirits that "attacked Doctor Strange" but all they did was nip at his clothes. They did nothing.

- There was this weird scene where that guy tried to squirt mustard on Strange's face for no reason, and Strange them mind-fucking him so he bashes his own head in for 3 weeks straight. What a hell was that? Amerika laughed at the thought of this guy murdering himself.

- Doctor Strange not just annihilating that octopus thing in the beginning but instead being clumsy and dumb, stretching the fight out.

- Wong gives the Witch the magical book even though he's a guardian? isn't his entire reason to live to guard this stuff?

- At some point, Strange and Amerika step out of a portal and walk onto a button that shows Strange and Kristine (conveniently) in the past, and then Amerika's backstory shows her parents smiling as Amerika picks flowers, then she freaks out and her mom's fly into another universe. It was like a 20 seconds backstory. That scene with Amerika picking flowers was unbelievably corny.

- Amerika leaping from the stone throne towards the Witch with a superman punch while screaming.

- In the end of the movie, there are these rushed sequences, Strange tells Amerika that he trusts she can use her powers, and she IMMEDIATELY starts to use them, the witch sees her fantasy kids, and IMMEDIATELY becomes good. This ultra-conveniently personality switches right at the end don't work.

 

[daffyduck]

I’ll give you Amerika and her powers.

But our Wanda threw in the towel because the kids saw her as a monster/bad guy. It wasn’t about a personality change; the thing that she wanted wasn’t going to happen, no matter what she did.

What I find implausible, is she wiped out most of the inhabitants at the Kamar taj, yet a few months later, it’s completely rebuilt, and the occupants who were on the front lines are alive and well.

 

[Ulysses 31]

I haven't watched any other fan stuff about this movie, but this is what drove me nuts:

- They consistently try to "ground" Doctor Strange to the real world and real problems by having girl issues by bringing in Kristine as "the girl who got away". But Strange has the world on his shoulders, he's in the Avengers and has saved the galaxy from Thanos. Am I supposed to believe he struggles with "not being happy" because he isn't together with a fling he had when he was a young doctor? he was pretty much over here in the first movie towards the end, here, he can't go 15 seconds without getting depressed he ain't with Kristine. It's such a trite nonsensical side-story.

- The Witch got trapped behind a blast door, Strange and Amerika looked into the darkness for a while, and then the Witch popped up in front of the blast door? huh? even if she popped past the blast door, why did she just stand in the darkness for so long?

- Strange, Amerika and Kristine jumps into a weird dimensional to find a book. They unlock a magic door and walk inside. But they don't close the magic door and the Witch just walks in after them, huh? why let her in?

- Picard leading "the illuminati" with the worst alternate superheroes I have ever seen. The Fantastic Four guy from the office looked like a cooked shrimp in that suit.

- At the end, the Witch was sitting inside the room with those kids, but when Amerika closed the portal, she was sitting in the throne room? huh? she never went through the portal.

- The Witch wants to travel to another dimension to be a house mom? and she wants Amerika's power so she could find medicine in different universes in case the kids get sick? who writes this?

- That terrible zombie costume when Strange dream walked his dead alternate body, and how the zombie walked and talked like he was hand-animated. It was like it turned into a Charlie Chaplin movie.

- The small evil spirits that "attacked Doctor Strange" but all they did was nip at his clothes. They did nothing.

- There was this weird scene where that guy tried to squirt mustard on Strange's face for no reason, and Strange them mind-fucking him so he bashes his own head in for 3 weeks straight. What a hell was that? Amerika laughed at the thought of this guy murdering himself.

- Doctor Strange not just annihilating that octopus thing in the beginning but instead being clumsy and dumb, stretching the fight out.

- Wong gives the Witch the magical book even though he's a guardian? isn't his entire reason to live to guard this stuff?

- At some point, Strange and Amerika step out of a portal and walk onto a button that shows Strange and Kristine (conveniently) in the past, and then Amerika's backstory shows her parents smiling as Amerika picks flowers, then she freaks out and her mom's fly into another universe. It was like a 20 seconds backstory. That scene with Amerika picking flowers was unbelievably corny.

- Amerika leaping from the stone throne towards the Witch with a superman punch while screaming.

- In the end of the movie, there are these rushed sequences, Strange tells Amerika that he trusts she can use her powers, and she IMMEDIATELY starts to use them, the witch sees her fantasy kids, and IMMEDIATELY becomes good. This ultra-conveniently personality switches right at the end don't work.

You touch on a lot of things I would mention if I were to go through the whole movie to critique it.

I'm surprised you didn't catch that Defender Strange at the beginning didn't use the sling ring he had on him the whole time, the movie confirms he had one.

Also America doesn't really come across as likeable to me when she considered Defender Strange a traitor when he actually did save the multiverse with his last dying act. Or that all the deaths Wanda causes in her pursuit aren't really visibly weighing on her for 99% of the movie.

 

[Bragr]

But our Wanda threw in the towel because the kids saw her as a monster/bad guy. It wasn’t about a personality change; the thing that she wanted wasn’t going to happen, no matter what she did.

Why couldn't she just go to another universe where the kids hadn't seen her as the bad guy?

And at some point, she did take over "alternate Wanda" and things were good, the kids liked her, but she was thwarted and cast out of the dream walking. If she just killed off Strange and the fools trying to stop her, couldn't she just dream walk into her again and live her fantasy?

 

[ManaByte]

Why couldn't she just go to another universe where the kids hadn't seen her as the bad guy?

Better yet, why not just find a universe where Wanda is dead and the kids need a mother?

 

[Ulysses 31]

Better yet, why not just find a universe where Wanda is dead and the kids need a mother?

And where Vision's also around for her to raise a family with.

 

[pramod]

This is one of those films that gets worse the more you think about it.

 

[daffyduck]

Better yet, why not just find a universe where Wanda is dead and the kids need a mother?

And where Vision's also around for her to raise a family with.

How easy is that to do? Sounds like a “No Prize“ type thing.

As for the dream walking, maybe it wasn’t too satisfying?

 

[Urban]

How did Wanda even find Amerika?
Wouldn't it be better to explain that she is from this universe and Wanda is chasing her all along ? And she jumped to so many universes that she forgot which one is hers?

 

[Ulysses 31]

How easy is that to do? Sounds like a “No Prize“ type thing.

As for the dream walking, maybe it wasn’t too satisfying?

Well, it doesn't have to be a multiverse Vision since Vision was re-assembled in WandaVision and got his memories back. Could've been interesting to see where he fled to and what his reaction to Wanda actions would've been.

How did Wanda even find Amerika?
Wouldn't it be better to explain that she is from this universe and Wanda is chasing her all along ? And she jumped to so many universes that she forgot which one is hers?

How does one even pick a universe out of an innumerable amount of universes to jump to.

 

[Urban]

Well, it doesn't have to be a multiverse Vision since Vision was re-assembled in WandaVision and got his memories back. Could've been interesting to see where he fled to and what his reaction to Wanda actions would've been.

How does one even pick a universe out of an innumerable amount of universes to jump to.

Yeah thats another question but i cant understand how Wanda found her.
But maybe we are thinking about it too much

 

[Ulysses 31]

Yeah thats another question but i cant understand how Wanda found her.
But maybe we are thinking about it too much

I think it's just a plot detail the writers forgot to explain. Just like how Wanda is able to track America in the other multiverses. I'd chalk it up to lazy writing.

Though that is not as bad a Defender Strange never using his sling ring since that makes Defender Strange look very stupid.

 

[Ionian]

Not watched it but curious as I think the character is brilliant.

No Vision though at all?

Makes zero sense.

 

[DKehoe]

Not watched it but curious as I think the character is brilliant.

No Vision though at all?

Makes zero sense.

I was saying to a friend a while back, it could have been good if they included a line where Vision doesn't feature in her new version of a happy family because post-Wandavision she didn't want to risk that feeling of guilt that could come from how he looked at her if he figured out what she had done.

 

[daffyduck]

I think it's just a plot detail the writers forgot to explain. Just like how Wanda is able to track America in the other multiverses. I'd chalk it up to lazy writing.

Though that is not as bad a Defender Strange never using his sling ring since that makes Defender Strange look very stupid.

Marvel No-Prize - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[DKehoe]

 

[pramod]

So the more i think about this movie the more i hate it.

The main thing is that it totally invalidates Wandas character arc in Wandavision. She is supposed to have overcome her grief, was able to let her kids go, and get on with her life.

Sure maybe Darkhold corrupted her but a much better way to handle this was to not make her the main villain but have her try to help Strange but at the sametime struggling with the temptations and corruption of the Darkhold.

But instead Disney, as they seem to prefer lately, chose the easy route, didnt give a shit about a good story or character development....seems like some execs got into a room and asked "hey, we want to sell a lot of tickets and also finally do House of M where Wanda became the bad guy, just make it happen."

 

[ManaByte]

The main thing is that it totally invalidates Wandas character arc in Wandavision.

No it doesn't.

Sure maybe Darkhold corrupted her

But it did.

 

[pramod]

It really feels to me Phase 4 is just about methodically killing off or "pass the torch" from every surviving Avenger from Endgame so they can move on to the Young Avengers.

Wish they just killed them all off at the Endgame along with Stark, would be a lot more quicker and easy to endure.

 

[ManaByte]

It really feels to me Phase 4 is just about methodically killing off or "pass the torch" from every surviving Avenger from Endgame so they can move on to the Young Avengers.

The next big teamup is already confirmed to be Thunderbolts.

They might do Young Avengers on Disney+ or something, but Thunderbolts seems like the next team movie.

 

[pramod]

No it doesn't.

But it did.

Yeah but it doesnt result in a more satisfying story. Its lazy writing to just make Wanda an irredeemable villain.

 

[ManaByte]

Yeah but it doesnt result in a more satisfying story. Its lazy writing to just make Wanda an irredeemable villain.

Sorry I don't click on Youtube videos that use the stupid red eyes thing.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Saw this last weekend; though it pretty bad.

I never saw Wanda, so that might be part of it. I also am just not super keen on "multi-dimensional" stuff for plots, but they made it fun in Spiderman NWH. It was very comic book-y in a more endearing way whereas the use of it in this film just immediately dragged it down for me.

You also can sort of "feel the green screen" any time the "America Chavez" chick was on screen so every action sequence was bad with her. She was so painfully terrible at "acting out" the action the entire film, and because they lead with it in the first scene, I was just waiting for it the rest of the movie.

She looks like she's playing a Kinect game or something.

I'd rather have watched a 2 hour rom-com w/ Cumberatch and McAdams TBH. Great actors who have enough on-screen chemistry for it; MAKE IT HAPPEN MARVEL!

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

Saw this last weekend; though it pretty bad.

I never saw Wanda, so that might be part of it. I also am just not super keen on "multi-dimensional" stuff for plots, but they made it fun in Spiderman NWH. It was very comic book-y in a more endearing way whereas the use of it in this film just immediately dragged it down for me.

You also can sort of "feel the green screen" any time the "America Chavez" chick was on screen so every action sequence was bad with her. She was so painfully terrible at "acting out" the action the entire film, and because they lead with it in the first scene, I was just waiting for it the rest of the movie.

She looks like she's playing a Kinect game or something.

I'd rather have watched a 2 hour rom-com w/ Cumberatch and McAdams TBH. Great actors who have enough on-screen chemistry for it; MAKE IT HAPPEN MARVEL!

I think watching Wandavision actually makes it worse. On top of that Wandavision wasn’t a very good show. Interesting concept but not very good.

 

[Lady Jane]

I don't like to attack someone's acting skills but the girl who placed America was so dry that it brought down scenes that she was in. She must have some good connections.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

I have no idea what any of that means, but glad you enjoyed it.

Comic book movies in a nutshell.

 

[OZ9000]

Jesus christ this movie was fucking horrendous

Terrible plot

Forced wokism

Annoying teenage sidekick

The main character regulated to being a dumbass

And worst of all, the visuals looking like they belong on a TV show.

The MCU has been god awful since Endgame.

 

[sol_bad]

It really feels to me Phase 4 is just about methodically killing off or "pass the torch" from every surviving Avenger from Endgame so they can move on to the Young Avengers.

Wish they just killed them all off at the Endgame along with Stark, would be a lot more quicker and easy to endure.

There has been barely any passing of the torch in phase 4.

 

[KyoZz]

Well, I think this could be the quickest MCU movie to go from "OMG IT'S THE BEST MARVEL RELEASED EVAAAAA I LOVE IT, MASTERPIECE !!!!!" to "nah it was shit".

Maybe some people are finally seeing the MCU for what it is (now), which is kinda funny because Multiverse of Madness is probably the best film in phase 4 imo.

 

[sol_bad]

Well, I think this could be the quickest MCU movie to go from "OMG IT'S THE BEST MARVEL RELEASED EVAAAAA I LOVE IT, MASTERPIECE !!!!!" to "nah it was shit".

Maybe some people are finally seeing the MCU for what it is (now), which is kinda funny because Multiverse of Madness is probably the best film in phase 4 imo.

Not true at all.
It's expected that there will be more negative people once the film is released on streaming. All the fans of the MCU have already seen the film in cinemas. And of course, negativity is way louder than positivity on the internet.

 

[KyoZz]

Not true at all.
It's expected that there will be more negative people once the film is released on streaming. All the fans of the MCU have already seen the film in cinemas. And of course, negativity is way louder than positivity on the internet.

Of course, but that's not what I'm talking about.

 

[sol_bad]

Of course, but that's not what I'm talking about.

I'm not sure what you mean than.
^__^

 

[Hezekiah]

Jesus christ this movie was fucking horrendous

Terrible plot

Forced wokism

Annoying teenage sidekick

The main character regulated to being a dumbass

And worst of all, the visuals looking like they belong on a TV show.

The MCU has been god awful since Endgame.

Big test for them with Thor: Love and Thunder, and Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. I think with the history of those two franchises, and with the directors helming them (albeit Chloe Zhao directing Eternals didn't help), it would be a major surprise if they bomb. But will they actually be good is another question.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

I don't know where these Amazon promotions or promotional credits are coming from?

Maybe it's because I use Amazon Fresh very frequently?

Anyways, I saw this shirt and really wanted it and then I saw that if I press a little button below, I get 50% off.

So yeah I own this fucking thing now.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

I don't know where these Amazon promotions or promotional credits are coming from?

Maybe it's because I use Amazon Fresh very frequently?

Anyways, I saw this shirt and really wanted it and then I saw that if I press a little button below, I get 50% off.

So yeah I own this fucking thing now.

Y'all should be getting this for sol_bad and his mate ManaByte for their birthdays.

 

[Krathoon]

I just love how Wanda royally screws things up. They are totally playing off the comic book Wanda. I also like how she was prophesied. The Scarlet Witch was meant to happen.

 

[mxbison]

It had some obvious flaws but overall I liked it. The horror stuff worked pretty well IMO.

I'm surprised people suddenly care about a bad plot. After the dumpster fire of No Way Home which got praised to the moon, I thought Marvel movies were immune to that.

 

[Melon Husk]

It felt like an expensive DisneyPlus production. Shame.

 

[ResilientBanana]

Raimi is campy, and it was everything I expected out of him. I loved his take on the universe. I saw a lot of Evil Dead in this film.

 

[Bragr]

After the dumpster fire of No Way Home which got praised to the moon

I haven't heard any normal movie fan like the latest batch of Marvel movies. Don't buy the hype, it's like k-pop, it has legions of fans who like it no matter how weak it is.

 

[SJRB]

35 minutes into this and it is unbearable.

Man what a terrible movie.

LMAO a Latin girl called "America" with the trans flag pinned on her jacket has two moms who get sucked into the multiverse because she got scared of a bee. Man, get the fuck outta here with this nonsense.

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

I finally saw it, was unimpressed, and felt like it was cheap production. For a multiverse, it was only 2. I feel like Gary Coleman and the "three prawns are hardly a galaxy."



I can see where this is going with the incursions. Which at the end will be a flashback/whatever (for most of them) and then only the last 2 universes ending with both failing (Infinite stone). Then for the second part of the movie they win (endgame).

Honest Review: "three prawns are hardly a galaxy."

 

[lachesis]

I finally saw it last night as well.
For some reason, all I could really see was Christine's mole(?) on her left cheek. Like that Wonder Years dude in Austin Powers movie.... Urgh.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Ehrmergerd look what just arrived in the mail.

 

[SJRB]

Elizabeth Olsen carried this movie. She was great, even if the script was rubbish. And she looked incredible.

I like how somewhere halfway through Sam Rami said "fuck this" en dialed the horror up to 11 [within the strict Marvel boundaries, of course]. I really enjoyed how weird the movie got at some point. First 30 minutes are abhorrently cookie-cutter though. Really, really bad.

The power level balance is a huge problem in this movie. The powerlevels of Scarlett Witch are so insane that 75% of the movie makes no sense if you consider what her abilities are. I mean, her powers are so immense that she:

1. Completely tricked Strange in the orchard. Dude had no idea the entire area was an illusion
2. single-handedly destroyed the entire wizard HQ, killing lord knows how many people in the process
3. absolutely annihilated the alternate reality Avengers.
4. She fucking killed Jean-Luc Picard, by far the most powerful telepath the world has ever seen, while he was in her mind. And she didn't even break a sweat

With this immense power the movie should be over in 10 minutes, but it spends its entire runtime manouvering around these rules it set for itself. You can't first show Scarlett Witch as this insanely OP character, and then not have her utilize these powers when she needs it the most. Plus that her motivations are trash. She wants to be a mother, bloody hell. Maybe rather bring back Vision so you can, you know, get some kids?

It was just a mess of a script. Raimi tried his best and shows some compelling visuals, but man. Strange moping over his ex-girlfriend from god knows how long ago is such a cringe trope.

 

[Toots]

35 minutes into this and it is unbearable.

Man what a terrible movie.

LMAO a Latin girl called "America" with the trans flag pinned on her jacket has two moms who get sucked into the multiverse because she got scared of a bee. Man, get the fuck outta here with this nonsense.

And she didn't encounter the bee, or anything that would make her feel strongly, until she was like 6 or 7 years old...

Anyway the movie is dumb, but there's Bruce Campbell cameo which made me laugh, and zombie Strange which is another real cool idea by Raimi, and used well.

 

[Ulysses 31]

3. absolutely annihilated the alternate reality Avengers.
4. She fucking killed Jean-Luc Picard, by far the most powerful telepath the world has ever seen, while he was in her mind. And she didn't even break a sweat

You could make excuses for the movie that those were weaksauce versions of their original selves.

Captain Marvel getting knocked out by a falling statue while the one in Endgame flew through Thanos' ship.

 

[DeafTourette]

You could make excuses for the movie that those were weaksauce versions of their original selves.

Captain Marvel getting knocked out by a falling statue while the one in Endgame flew through Thanos' ship.

Captain Marvel's energy was drained in her fight with Wanda. That's how she was killed so easily. Plus The Illuminati (they aren't the Avengers... They're the leaders of their respective groups) didn't know about the Scarlet Witch's power level... They thought she was just normal Wanda. But they were arrogant and thought they could handle anything. It's not that they were weak... They just were too overconfident.

 

[Ulysses 31]

Captain Marvel's energy was drained in her fight with Wanda. That's how she was killed so easily. Plus The Illuminati (they aren't the Avengers... They're the leaders of their respective groups) didn't know about the Scarlet Witch's power level... They thought she was just normal Wanda. But they were arrogant and thought they could handle anything. It's not that they were weak... They just were too overconfident.

You sure she was killed and not just knocked out? I though Captain Marvel was physically nearly indestructible(MCU's superman till they introduce Sentry).

 

[DeafTourette]

You sure she was killed and not just knocked out? I though Captain Marvel was physically nearly indestructible(MCU's superman till they introduce Sentry).

From what I remember, she's only as strong and indestructible as long as she has enough energy to power herself. Look at that scene again ... Maria is getting visibly tired and weaker. I'm not sure but I think Wanda was draining her energy.