ManaByte
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The original Doctor Strange only made $677M. This one is closing in on a billion. How is that a decline?
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The original Doctor Strange only made $677M. This one is closing in on a billion. How is that a decline?
sol_bad
Member
LOL
Doctor Strange 2 made more than Doctor Strange 1. Don't try and change your argument from Doctor Strange 2 to Disney/Marvel as a whole. The movies are obviously not for you but there are still millions of fans around the world that love the MCU. There is absolutely no other franchise ever created that comes close. And the reason it has so many fans is due to the characterisations of it's super heroes.
Proof of the decline of sales? Anything prior to October/November last year doesn't count due to that world wide pandemic we went through. The only example you have is Lightyear and audience thoughts on the film are positive for the people who actually saw it. Disregard that IMDB rating because it has 14,000 1 star reviews for obvious reason. Outside of those 1 star reviews there is a higher amount of 6-9 reviews than there are 2-5 star reviews.
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
So the pandemic had NO effect on box office? Even with more than half of all theaters closed last year?
Hezekiah
Banned
Eternals didn't meet expectations, and Shang-Chi and Black Widow bombed.
While the latter should have come out years ago and reasons were laid out for it's poor performance, it's debateable if any of those three films made a profit.
Phase four has been really shit if we're being honest (critically and commercially), and if you look at some of the properties they have lined up over the next 18 - 24 months, most are nowhere near big enough to make the anywhere near the same impact previous films did.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Doctor Strange MoM made more than part 1. Nearing 1 billion.
And like I said (and this is fact) the pandemic and dumb decisions like dual release of BW (theaters at the same time as Disney Plus) hurt the BO of these films. Theaters were barely fully opened when Eternals came out.
It's like y'all memory-holed all this data to try to BS your way into confirmation bias.
sol_bad
Member
I'll give you Eternals but Black Widow and Shang Chi were still highly affected by the pandemic. So 2 examples, Eternals and Lightyear, one of which was at the very tail end of the pandemic.
As for critically, I'm not sure where you are getting it's failing. Eternals is the only one that did badly critically. One "poor" film out of 28 is a pretty good track record.
Hezekiah
Banned
Once again your throwing shit around that I didn't say.
Try reading what's in front of you, and not getting triggered when people point out that Marvel films arent as good as they used to be. And last I saw Doctor Strange was still outside the top ten Marvel films in terms of box office numbers, not to mention the massive drop-off it had after the opening weekend.
As for Eternal, it was a huge flop - anyone who says otherwise is moron.
Hezekiah
Banned
End of the day it's four flops out of five.I'll give you Eternals but Black Widow and Shang Chi were still highly affected by the pandemic. So 2 examples, Eternals and Lightyear, one of which was at the very tail end of the pandemic.
As for critically, I'm not sure where you are getting it's failing. Eternals is the only one that did badly critically. One "poor" film out of 28 is a pretty good track record.
Critically I prefer IMDB - Black Widow 6.7, Shang Chi 7.4, and Eternals 6.3. Not exactly great. All three suffered from less-than-stellar word of mouth, and regardless of the pandemic, that is reflected in the numbers.
Lightyear has performed well below even the lowest expectations.
Meanwhile No Way Home was the total opposite and killed it, with seemingly lots of people going for repeat viewings. And now we have Top Gun which has already surpassed Doctor Strange 2, and is past $1bn.
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ManaByte
Member
Can't wait for the argument that a movie with Spider-Man and Doctor Strange in it isn't a MCU movie.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
It wasn't a huge flop. You are factually incorrect or one of those guys scared by 'wokness' in the MCU
Regarding the rest of your comment. The vast majority of the MCU movies are just good 7/10 which is impressive. A bunch are 8/10, a couple 9/10 and probably just one 10/10.
These new ones are nothing special either. They are just setting up things out. Spiderman no way home was a massive nostalgia cash grab. And Dr. Strange was another 7/10. The MCU is keeping up the consistency. Which again...is a massive accomplishment.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Nah.
You mean social media drama and man-babies crying on YouTube about the M-She-U?
Yep. That is right. Pretty bad.
So? Are you saying that Dr. Strange 2 is a flop because if that?
sol_bad
Member
I didn't mention IMDB as that site only has user reviews and you stated "critically" in your last post so you are changing your argument. And if you are going to use user reviews as a base, Letterboxd is a far better site. As an example, IMDB has 357k reviews for Black Widow whereas Letterboxd has 478k, it's a larger pool of reviews. Letterboxd is generaly void of any trolls as well. Majority of MCU films are between 3.0 and 4.0 on Letterboxd.
Black Widow - 3.3
Shang Chi - 3.7
Eternals - 3.1
No Way Home - 4.1
Multiverse of Madness - 3.4
Compared with Phase 3:
Civil War - 3.6
Doctor Strange - 3.5
GOTG Vol 2 - 3.6
Homecoming - 3.6
Ragnarok - 3.9
Black Panther - 3.7
Infinity War - 4.0
Ant-Man and the Wasp - 3.1
Captain Marvel - 3.0
Endgame - 3.9
Far From Home - 3.5
You do realise that the Spidey films are MCU films as well right?
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Hezekiah
Banned
I'm talking about Disney films. No Way Home is a Sony Picture film.
A $200m film that makes $400m at the box office isn't a flop...riiight. Is that you Kevin..?It wasn't a huge flop. You are factually incorrect or one of those guys scared by 'wokness' in the MCU
Regarding the rest of your comment. The vast majority of the MCU movies are just good 7/10 which is impressive. A bunch are 8/10, a couple 9/10 and probably just one 10/10.
These new ones are nothing special either. They are just setting up things out. Spiderman no way home was a massive nostalgia cash grab. And Dr. Strange was another 7/10. The MCU is keeping up the consistency. Which again...is a massive accomplishment.
sol_bad
Member
I'm talking about Disney films. No Way Home is a Sony Picture film.
A $200m film that makes $400m at the box office isn't a flop...riiight. Is that you Kevin..?
No Way Home was still made by Marvel Studios.
Hezekiah
Banned
Better because it doesn't have what you consider to be trolls...erm OK.
I'm talking Disney here, No Way Home was distributed by Sony.
Ultimately Disney is currently has a number of flops over the past year or so.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Is not. Is a CO-Production between studios.
Furthermore. The Creative force behind it, is still Keving Feige.
Is clear that Sony alone makes bullshit. Venom/Morbius of cof.
Is not a "Massive Flop". You could have said that underperformed. But probably broke even and turn a profit due to the ancillary market/licensing and stuff.A $200m film that makes $400m at the box office isn't a flop...riiight. Is that you Kevin..?
Hezekiah
Banned
ChorizoPicozo
Member
So?
sol_bad
Member
Hezekiah
Banned
Eternals was a disaster. You really anyone at Disney is anything close to satisfied with how it performed.
It's amazing how people are so defensive about a poorly-performing film. These companies won't thank you for this....
Hezekiah
Banned
Forgetting Columbia Pictures (Sony) are we...to try to give Marvel all the credit
sol_bad
Member
Forgetting Columbia Pictures (Sony) are we...to try to give Marvel all the credit
If Sony made it, it would be of similar quality as ASM1/ASM2/Venom/Venom 2/Morbius. Sony don't know how to make super hero movies.
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Hezekiah
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OK they weren't very good, but neither were many of the Marvel Disney films - not just the recent ones, but Captain America: The First Avenger, Thor the Dark World, Iron Man 2 for example, all rubbish.
Sony rightly cashed in on No Way Home as it's their property, their film, and they employed a lot of fan service and nostalgia bait (too much imo) based on their older Spiderman films.
sol_bad
Member
Point is, any of the creativity of No Way Home would come from Marvel Studios, not Sony.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
'Disaster'?....If eternal was a disaster;
What the fuck was Batman vs Superman or the Justice league or the mummy with Tom Cruise?
Again, 'Disaster' = Hyperbolic bullshit. You could said underperformed, or it was divisive. But the fact that made double its budget is not a "massive flop" or a disaster. You could even say that is a red flag for Marve to pay attention in the future.
And you can say the same thing of people having wet dreams At the thought of these companies imploding.
The fact is. I don't like (just speaking for myself) this hyperbolic bullshit on both extremes.
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
Afaik Marvel also put money. (Nos as much thou)
killatopak
Member
I liked a lot of parts that are in the movie. Mostly because of the Raimi horror. The musical battle was really hype too.
ManaByte
Member
But made by Marvel.
Hezekiah
Banned
Zero actual evidence of that.
Catch up. It was made by Columbia and Marvel. No doubt it was the former who really cashed in though.
Hezekiah
Banned
No idea why you're mentioning these other films from years ago.
But yes you're right, there are different scales of disasters. The Mummy was an even bigger disaster than Eternals. Would be no surprise if Eternals doesn't even get a sequel due it's lack of critical and commercial success.
ManaByte
Member
Thor got 2 sequels after Thor: The Dark World.
squallheart
Member
Finally saw it with my gf yesterday and for me it's a 6/10. I just didn't get a sense of scale for something called multi verse of madness. Also we finally get a Mexican hero representation on the big screen and it's a girl with border hoping abilities, LGBT pin and murica name xD we couldn't stop laughing. I enjoyed the death scenes and Scarlett was awesome though. I want more of her crazy self. For me the mcu is meh lately and the only films I was looking forward to were this, Spiderman, and Thor. I feel like when they do the x men (x people) they are going to ruin it.
Hezekiah
Banned
It also made $644m at the box office, off a $150m budget.
Eternals - $400m and a $200m budget.
Huge difference. I haven't seen anyone calling for a sequel.
ManaByte
Member
The characters from that movie are going to show up in other movies whether you like it or not.
But then again based on your posts and warring in this thread you probably think Morbius is a masterpiece just based on who distributed it.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Eternals was very dumb, but I don't care if the characters show up to do stuff when the major threat happens. That is what the MCU has. People everywhere doing stuff that come together when things are most dire.
Hezekiah
Banned
What is your problem man
Just jumping around, trying to make excuses for why certain films flopped.
Newsflash: Studios make movies to make money. And Eternals didn't make much, if any. So if there's no sequel that will be the primary reason.
chromhound
Member
Saw the Movie Saturday, it was alright...
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
I saw the movie at home. It was okay'ish. The fight with the the dollar store avengers was hilarious.Saw the Movie Saturday, it was alright...
ManaByte
Member
Why would you call them dollar store avengers?
I think that's a M-SHE-U thing by the man-babies triggered by Captain Carter.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
I don’t know. Aren’t they the avengers of an alternative universe?Why would you call them dollar store avengers?
Seeing Jim turned into spaghetti was so satisfying.
I had to look up who that was. I just called them dollar store because they were a cheap knockoff. In theory the roster of heroes was good, but their portrayal in the movie makes them seem weak and almost a comedic relief. The death of the dude who panics and screams into his brain was hilarious too.
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sol_bad
Member
They are called the Illuminati.
ManaByte
Member
Nope. They are a secret group that controls most events in that universe. In the comics it was Iron Man, Professor X, Reed Richards, Namor, Black Bolt, and Doctor Strange. Hickman added T'Challa to it in his run-up to Secret Wars.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
This was dope.
Good time to be a Doctor Strange fan.
Good time to be a Doctor Strange fan.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
The Eternals is pretty much gold wrapped chocolate with golden center which allows you to poop gold and make money off that gold and then turn it into Platinum and sell it for the highest price.... Compared to the utter Star Wars trash compactor ball sack riddles pile of trash that was Tom Cruise's The Mummy.
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Ulysses 31
Member
Like the inconsistent use of powers MCU characters have at their disposal, or character assassinations or still expecting us to buy into a future redemption of Wanda?
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STARSBarry
Gold Member
Saw it yesterday, thought it was shit, was laughing at it the whole time... the issue is I was laughing at it during the terrible fight sequences not when there was an "attempt" at humor.
Probably one of the worst in recent memory for me, I love the throw away device in the middle of the street that just scans your brain and displays for everyone walking past your most personal memories.... I just laughed...
Probably one of the worst in recent memory for me, I love the throw away device in the middle of the street that just scans your brain and displays for everyone walking past your most personal memories.... I just laughed...
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Bridges
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I didn't like this nearly as much as I was expecting to.
Every scene with Elizabeth Olsen was amazing, definitely the real star of the movie. The horror elements are great and well done. The visuals were also pretty cool for the most part.
The actual plot, kinda eh. I like Benedict as Strange but I don't think he's a compelling lead, maybe he's just too powerful for me to want to root for him. Also, he comes across as way more of an arrogant asshole than a lot of the other heroes. This works well bouncing off of Spiderman or in the first movie where he's not fully acclimated to his powers yet, but here I found him lacking in reasons for me to ever be worried for him or thinking anything would go wrong.
I didn't really care for America either, she wasn't bad but just not particularly interesting to me.
The ending was also not great imo, all that build up just for Wanda to change her mind and off herself. The illuminati cameos were neat, watching Wanda destroy them was probably one of the best parts of the movie.
Overall it wasn't nearly as bad as Eternals but it failed to be overly compelling like a lot of their bigger hitters are outside of Wanda's craziness. I might need to watch it again sometime to get a more solid opinion.
Every scene with Elizabeth Olsen was amazing, definitely the real star of the movie. The horror elements are great and well done. The visuals were also pretty cool for the most part.
The actual plot, kinda eh. I like Benedict as Strange but I don't think he's a compelling lead, maybe he's just too powerful for me to want to root for him. Also, he comes across as way more of an arrogant asshole than a lot of the other heroes. This works well bouncing off of Spiderman or in the first movie where he's not fully acclimated to his powers yet, but here I found him lacking in reasons for me to ever be worried for him or thinking anything would go wrong.
I didn't really care for America either, she wasn't bad but just not particularly interesting to me.
The ending was also not great imo, all that build up just for Wanda to change her mind and off herself. The illuminati cameos were neat, watching Wanda destroy them was probably one of the best parts of the movie.
Overall it wasn't nearly as bad as Eternals but it failed to be overly compelling like a lot of their bigger hitters are outside of Wanda's craziness. I might need to watch it again sometime to get a more solid opinion.