Doctor Strange in The Multiverse of Madness | Spoiler Thread

Watched this last night, I'd been looking forward to it. It was not good - a waste of a cool character, a great concept, and a talented director. If they made this 15 years ago it would have been allowed to have teeth... they just wanted to make something over the top kid friendly I guess (like, REAL little kid friendly). Pretty lame. First Dr Strange movie was miles better than this.
 
wondermega said:
Watched this last night, I'd been looking forward to it. It was not good - a waste of a cool character, a great concept, and a talented director. If they made this 15 years ago it would have been allowed to have teeth... they just wanted to make something over the top kid friendly I guess (like, REAL little kid friendly). Pretty lame. First Dr Strange movie was miles better than this.
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I'm sorry but Black Bolt blowing his own brains out is NOT little kid friendly! WTH?! What MCU have you been watching that YOU think this is "little kid friendly"?! The heck, dude?!?!

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I just wanted to say and I really like this movie a lot. Definitely one of my favorite MCU movies. Doctor Strange delivers again.
 
DeafTourette said:
I'm sorry but Black Bolt blowing his own brains out is NOT little kid friendly! WTH?! What MCU have you been watching that YOU think this is "little kid friendly"?! The heck, dude?!?!

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Phase 4 has been sucking ass balls out of my scrum when it comes to the movies.

This one is completely different. It is so much fun. It's extremely colorful. Lots of variety. Lots of magic. So much goodness in this movie.

This is everything I wanted in a Doctor Strange movie just like the original. If there's somebody specifically in charge of the Doctor Strange franchise, I hope they keep them around because they know what they're doing. That's unusual coming from somebody who's very critical of Disney and lucasfilm and Marvel but who's ever in charge of Doctor Strange is doing everything they can to do like Dr Strange.

8/10 - the movie is not perfect but it is great nonetheless. If you're a reader like me of the comics you are going to enjoy this. I have been a long time since a teenager and this movie is awesome sauce at best. Cucumber man hits it out of the park.

And I something I've noticed but there does seem to be less "quipping" said most Marvel movies. That's something I've noticed and I love that. I hope more Marvel movies end up lessening all the stupid quips and sarcasm.

I really want a Doctor Strange video game now. Not a game he stars in but an actual game about him. I remember buying Marvel Ultimate Alliance partially just because it had him in it but that entire game ended up being unbelievably good that's funny enough I ended up playing Blade more than Doctor Strange in that game.
 
Remember when Doctor Strange and American Chavez are going through all those different dimensions? I'd like to see a breakdown of all of those different dimensions of what they. If I'm not mistaken one of them look like a straight-out Hell and maybe a hint of Mephisto's Abyss.

That guy is my favorite villain and I know at some point he's going to pop up in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. He would fit very well with Doctor Strange 3 or something.

That is, unless they do a Ghost Rider movie of which of course Mephisto will be the main villain.
 
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I actually didn't realize I was wearing this shirt when I was watching Multiverse of Madness with my dad to today.

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ManaByte said:
The movie only explains that the Darkhold corrupts whoever uses it about 20 times. Maybe it should've been after every single line for people to understand it?
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Having a McGuffin we had never even heard of isn't my idea of logical, especially when it's dealing with a long time Avengers character turning evil and leafing to her end
 
Really enjoyed it,

I just got Ms. Marvel confused with Ms. America.

Becasue of DS ITMOM, I started watching Ms Marvel, thinking it was a spin off show with America Chavez from Doctor Strange ITMOM, tiI realized America Chavez spoke spanish and was not from Pakistan.
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ManaByte said:
No it's in the show itself. Again if you watched the show you would know what the book was.
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Regardless its a McGuffin and they could do better than having that be the reason for writing out her character. And the fake kids justification was always weird and never landed for me. They should have just stuck to trying to bring back Vision

Overall I still feel they did her character dirty and she never got the redemption arc of her character
 
Yoboman said:
Regardless its a McGuffin and they could do better than having that be the reason for writing out her character. And the fake kids justification was always weird and never landed for me. They should have just stuck to trying to bring back Vision

Overall I still feel they did her character dirty and she never got the redemption arc of her character
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Never heard of House of M? The whole crux of the story was that her family was imaginary.
 
ManaByte said:
Never heard of House of M? The whole crux of the story was that her family was imaginary.
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Maybe so, I'm sure that story offered a lot more nuance and she wasn't straight up evil. And the characters didn't just go "well guess she's evil now, time to try and kill her"
 
Yoboman said:
Having a McGuffin we had never even heard of isn't my idea of logical, especially when it's dealing with a long time Avengers character turning evil and leafing to her end
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It was in WandaVision... It didn't come out of nowhere. MoM continued STRAIGHT from the end of that show.
 
MachRc said:
Really enjoyed it,

I just got Ms. Marvel confused with Ms. America.

Becasue of DS ITMOM, I started watching Ms Marvel, thinking it was a spin off show with America Chavez from Doctor Strange ITMOM, tiI realized America Chavez spoke spanish and was not from Pakistan.
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Not to mention they look COMPLETELY DIFFERENT! LMBO
 
Yoboman said:
Having a McGuffin we had never even heard of isn't my idea of logical, especially when it's dealing with a long time Avengers character turning evil and leafing to her end
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The movie mentions the Darkhold multiple times, you see the Darkhold multiple times. You see an alternate reality Doctor Strange that was corrupted by the Darkhold who has destroyed an entire reality. That's the logic, the Darkhold corrupts whoever reads it beyond any reasoning.
You don't need any other piece of media for that to be explained, it's all in the movie directly. I don't understand why people needed to see Wanda turn from good to bad, it's unnecessary. A don't tell but show mentality isn't required every time, especially if it's at the sacrifice of story pacing.
 
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Watched it last night and enjoyed it. I don't know a lot about Marvel, so I was surprised that Scarlet Witch was so feared and powerful... also, I thought it was a joke when she said her name was America LOL
 
MachRc said:
Really enjoyed it,

I just got Ms. Marvel confused with Ms. America.

Becasue of DS ITMOM, I started watching Ms Marvel, thinking it was a spin off show with America Chavez from Doctor Strange ITMOM, tiI realized America Chavez spoke spanish and was not from Pakistan.
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She can't be Spanish she is from some other planet. Are Spanish people even a thing.
 
sol_bad said:
The movie mentions the Darkhold multiple times, you see the Darkhold multiple times. You see an alternate reality Doctor Strange that was corrupted by the Darkhold who has destroyed an entire reality. That's the logic, the Darkhold corrupts whoever reads it beyond any reasoning.
You don't need any other piece of media for that to be explained, it's all in the movie directly. I don't understand why people needed to see Wanda turn from good to bad, it's unnecessary. A don't tell but show mentality isn't required every time, especially if it's at the sacrifice of story pacing.
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It definitely feels forced. Maybe having her be in an Avengers movie would have worked better, being she is a main character turning into a multi dimensional villain

Is Dr Strange gonna turn up to the next Avengers meeting "killed Wanda btw lol sorry forgot to tell you guys"
 
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Yoboman said:
It definitely feels forced. Maybe having her be in an Avengers movie would have worked better, being she is a main character turning into a multi dimensional villain

Is Dr Strange gonna turn up to the next Avengers meeting "killed Wanda btw lol sorry forgot to tell you guys"
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He didn't kill Wanda though, she killed herself.
 
sol_bad said:
Did he? I honestly can't remember and would need to watch the scene again.
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Not really, though America breaking her brain did push her to it

I wish he had attempted more to help Wanda, even if it was futile. When it was obvious Wanda was going to kill herself he was abit like 🤷‍♂️
 
DeafTourette said:
I'm sorry but Black Bolt blowing his own brains out is NOT little kid friendly! WTH?! What MCU have you been watching that YOU think this is "little kid friendly"?! The heck, dude?!?!

LMBO
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Ok I guess it had a couple of more graphic moments like that, but they felt pretty tame compared to what I would expect from a legit "horror" film which this was originally being touted as. A lot of this stuff felt extremely cartoony and not particularly grisly to the point hat I thought people would actually complain about it. But again I guess I am looking at it as an older person who would consider any of that stuff acceptable (maybe pushing the envelope) as PG in the 80s. YES I KNOW that standards now are very different than standards then. I guess when I read that the movie was legit going to be a horror movie, and that Raimi was directing it, I did have certain expectations..
 
AJUMP23 said:
She can't be Spanish she is from some other planet. Are Spanish people even a thing.
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Well, she's from another Earth. So even though her mothers were dressed in some kind of tacky attire from a Star Trek episode, they were still Spanish-speaking people and presumably Latina since they named their daughter America (and last name Chavez). Alternate realities don't need to look like ours after all.
 
I liked this movie, but what bugs me is that with strange they just invent a new spell for every occasion. Oh strange needs to defeat wanda, lets make him use the spirits and lets have the spirits be able to suck up the magic bolts. Oh wanda can now destroy the darkhold in every universe... etc...
 
Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of MacGuffins. I thought the Darkhold was dumb back when it was a plot device in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. I mean, I know this stuff was in the comics too but it really made for a weak plot overall. At least S.H.I.E.L.D. had more time to kind of show the book slowly taking you over. In this she gets the book in a post credits scene in the tv show, and then is just straight up baddie in the movie.
 
Pleasantly surprised. It had a lot of the magic MCU used to have before. Sam Raimi did excellent work. Loved it visually.

It could've had a bit more horror but maybe it would've lost some of its audience then.
 
Valonquar said:
Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of MacGuffins. I thought the Darkhold was dumb back when it was a plot device in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. I mean, I know this stuff was in the comics too but it really made for a weak plot overall. At least S.H.I.E.L.D. had more time to kind of show the book slowly taking you over. In this she gets the book in a post credits scene in the tv show, and then is just straight up baddie in the movie.
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Agree, Darkhold corrupting AIDA was fun to watch and Ghost Rider Literally perform fatality on her is so good.
 
Another forgettable Marvel product, it's as if they had all the action setpieces ready and the... "script" is just an excuse to move from setpiece to setpiece. Does anyone care about all this action anymore when the characters and story are so fucking bland and pointless? Compare this trash with a movie like Top Gun Maverick that had 90s style movie structure with proper characters and script, nothing great btw, they just made a proper effort to flesh them out a bit and that's all that was needed.

It's amazing how modern Hollywood can't even do the fucking bare minimum most of the time now.
 
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Rewatching this now. I never appreciated how self centered Strange as a character is in the MCU. In the comics he's always looking out for others. Even visiting Peter Parker in his dreams to make sure he's OK.

Also America Chavez is a very likeable character but I am not sure how Marvel can use her going forward.
 
I liked it, great locations lots of action/horror lite elements and Patrick Stewart. However without seeing wandavision I'm sure that change in her character must seem really odd.
 
I've been watching this movie in chunks because it gets tiresome. Elizabeth Olsen is hot but that can't sustain my interest over this whole production. I'll watch the final half hour tomorrow maybe.
 
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Konnor said:
Another forgettable Marvel product, it's as if they had all the action setpieces ready and the the... "script" is just an excuse to move from setpiece to setpiece. Does anyone care about all this action anymore when the characters and story are so fucking bland and pointless? Compare this trash with a movie like Top Gun Maverick that had 90s style movie structure with proper characters and script, nothing great btw, they just made a proper effort to flesh them out a bit and that's all that was needed.

It's amazing how modern Hollywood can't even do the fucking bare minimum most of the time.
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Agreed. Glad I didn't see it in the theatres. Just seemed really dumb the whole of it. CGI action scenes can't hold my attention nowadays. Characters are terribly uninteresting. No humour.
 
Jaybe said:
Agreed. Glad I didn't see it in the theatres. Just seemed really dumb the whole of it. CGI action scenes can't hold my attention nowadays. Characters are terribly uninteresting. No humour.
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It's funny, I actually thought it was a better movie for not constantly have the characters wink at the camera and say some stupid quip every 5 minutes in dire situations. I like the more honest and straightforward character dialogue, and like that it takes itself serious enough to produce a little drama.

You can feel Raimi behind all of the minor horror elements in the movie, but something was clearly reigning him in. Love that he got away with the Black Bolt head explosion and the horror chase scenes though. I wonder what a R rated Strange with Raimi unchained would look like.

Anyways, I thought the movie wasn't perfect, but I saw it twice now, once at the theater and once at home. Definitely one of my favorite Marvel movies in years. The lead in from Wandavision and a little bit of Spiderman was great.
 
I guess I felt the ending was a little -pffft-. Like the idea of having a crazed Wanda be the big bad was an interesting choice, but I guess not completely nonsensical considering she'd just kinda lost her mind in Wandavision - and I agree the whole thing kind of deflated the whole ending of that show - but skipping out on the White Vision altogether for the culmination of this felt a bit like a missed opportunity (though I am sure he will return.. maybe.. anyway not the biggest deal). The REAL disappointment, I guess, was just having her come into contact with other-dimensional Wanda and then she just folds like a paper airplane. She's crazed/clearly deranged the whole of the rest of the movie and then suddenly comes to her senses when she sees her (other-dimension) kids are scared of her, and then snaps out of it "oh I am bad.... well, guess I will just stop and kill myself." They should have culminated with a huge throwdown Good Wanda VS Evil Wanda fight, that would have been much more spectacular. Ah well.
 
Jaybe said:
Agreed. Glad I didn't see it in the theatres. Just seemed really dumb the whole of it. CGI action scenes can't hold my attention nowadays. Characters are terribly uninteresting. No humour.
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The cardboard cutouts of characters couldn't be interesting even with the greatest writers given how little breathing room Disney left for any character analysis and development. It is obvious by now that all they need to do to keep the Disney
CONSOOMER happy is shit out a bunch of flashy CGI scenes, sloppily stitch them together into a 90-120 min extended trailer and market the shit out of it. It kind of looks like that even the idiot normies are starting to get tired of this shit lately but if you ask me this bullshit isn't dying fast enough.
 
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Konnor said:
The cardboard cutouts of characters couldn't be interesting even with the greatest writers given how little breathing room Disney left for any character analysis and development. It is obvious by now that all they need to do to keep the Disney
CONSOOMER happy is shit out a bunch of flashy CGI scenes, sloppily stitch them together into a 90-120 min extended trailer and market the shit out of it. It kind of looks like that even the idiot normies are starting to get tired of this shit lately but if you ask me this bullshit isn't dying fast enough.
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950 million at the box office = tired of this "shit"?
 
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