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[SpeedingUptoStop]

The button wasn't bad by me, but it could've used a better hook. Like one button kind of representing an already known favorite thing of Rory's and then another button representing a favorite thing of Amy's, so when Rory goes "just push the button", in his mind, the choice is a no brainer. I think that's what thy were trying to go with (what, with one button being green (go) and one red (who would press this first?)), but it was a little wibbly wobbly.

 

[Goldrush]

Who in the world would choose a red button over a green one?

 

[DrForester]

Who in the world would choose a red button over a green one?

Gingers.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Gingers.

Ahaha. This is reasoning I can live with.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Gingers.

Yea, I pretty much accepted this rational while watching too.

 

[mightynine]

http://i.imgur.com/of1UD.png

I think that would work better with the text reversed.

 

[Stop It]

Who in the world would choose a red button over a green one?

Gingers.

Flawless.

Anyway, I thought it was a very strong episode. The whole "Stuck in a different dimension/time and being rescued far too late" struck me as very Jumanji-esque, but the way the episode played out was very good. Probably some of the strongest writing of the series so far.

The thing is now, between this, River and a few other things, there is a lot of emotional baggage that will either catch up to the characters, or be dumped, Russell T Davies style. I think what happens later on in the series will decide on if Moffat can avoid the temptation of avoiding difficult decisions by retconning them out of the story.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Which is still stupid, because IT'S AMY. She's been with The Doctor for HOW LONG now? She should know better than to not ask which button to press.

(Yes, that part of the episode bugged the hell out of me, too.)

Yeah, that bugged me, too. I accept that there wouldn't have been a story without it, but I felt like it could have been handled better. If the doors had been soundproof, it would have worked just fine. Amy wouldn't have been able to ask which button to press, so she would have had to guess.

 

[stupei]

There's no way the River we know is going to be thrown out of existence. Moffat definitely has a tragic bent, but not that tragic.

Remember River's line in the Library? "Not one line."

Also, re. Rory's 2000 years vs. Amy's 36: Rory waited to save. Amy waited to be saved. 36 years of being hunted when you want to escape and rejoin your husband is nothing if not hell.

And as cold and distant as she was, Amy wasn't angry with Rory. She'd built up a reserve of anger and resentment, sure, but it was the Doctor she couldn't forgive. Her love for Rory made her choose to alter her own timeline and wipe her current self from existence. I'd say, all things considered, they're pretty equal displays of affection and dedication to the one you love.

 

[jufonuk]

Rory to kill the Doctor for making him choose, no wait, nooooo, the Other Amy Surviving and killing the Doctor, she made sonic scre drivers surely she can manipulate the Time servos (or whatever they are called) to find the doctor....

hmm my money is on that

 

[The Elite]

Which is still stupid, because IT'S AMY. She's been with The Doctor for HOW LONG now? She should know better than to not ask which button to press.

(Yes, that part of the episode bugged the hell out of me, too.)

She had a brain fart that almost created a paradox.

Shit happens.

 

[isny]

http://io9.com/5838897/doctor-who-ponies-are-four+legged-terrors

 

[King of the Potato People]

The last episode was one of the rare well-paced episodes but I would have liked to see more of the scenery of Apalapucia and the facilities, the few glimpses we got were lovely specially the garden.

I agree that Rory's development has been great and evolved a lot since The Eleventh Hour. After he impaled that Cyberman in the chest under Stonehenge, he's kept getting more awesome... protecting the Pandorica for over eighteen hundred years from all the wars and the blitz... eventually he's helping taking on cyberships here and there. The last centurion of awesomeness.

 

[The Elite]

For any long time DW watchers, did the dynamic between Amy, Rory and The Doctor remind you of Ian, Barbara and Hartnell's Doctor?

 

[Guerrillas in the Mist]

How many alarm bells went ringing when the Doctor mentioned being able to change a fixed event in time?

I'm actually not looking forward to the finale in some ways, because I know we're going to get another "Doctor Who Finale deus ex machina plot device which saves everything".

Finally, the makeup department did a good job with old Amy. Much better than some Hollywood movies (coughWatchmencough).

 

[infiniteloop]

For any long time DW watchers, did the dynamic between Amy, Rory and The Doctor remind you of Ian, Barbara and Hartnell's Doctor?

not really.

 

[Hela]

I know Amy has been portrayed as very smart in the series, but making a sonic screwdriver from some plasticy looking robots just seems completely out of place for me.

 

[OMG Aero]

I know Amy has been portrayed as very smart in the series, but making a sonic screwdriver from some plasticy looking robots just seems completely out of place for me.

Well she did have 30 odd years and (presumably) help from the interface which she said told her anything except how to escape.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I know Amy has been portrayed as very smart in the series, but making a sonic screwdriver from some plasticy looking robots just seems completely out of place for me.

That was another problem I had. I can buy that in 36 years she would have had to become tough to survive, so I don't have a problem with her becoming a tough fighter. However, she's never really been portrayed as being tech savy or having computer smarts, so the fact that she managed to hack and rewrite a sophisticated mainframe and build her own sonic screwdriver feels completely out of place. If it was Nyssa or Zoe then I might buy it, but not Amy.

 

[Thomper]

I know Amy has been portrayed as very smart in the series, but making a sonic screwdriver from some plasticy looking robots just seems completely out of place for me.

She made it from her mobile phone. She also might have had some help from the Interface. Plus, if you're stuck and on the run for 36 years, what else are you gonna do?

 

[King of the Potato People]

For any long time DW watchers, did the dynamic between Amy, Rory and The Doctor remind you of Ian, Barbara and Hartnell's Doctor?

Honestly I know little about them. From the experience of watching the most popular "classics", most of the old companions serve the function of either.

A) Screaming.
B) Fainting.
C) Getting kidnapped.
D) Getting lost.
E) Asking what the story is,

The companions in the newer version are much more independent, strong and are not just there as a voice for audience. Although I'm a fan of Jamie (he's so scottish he makes Amy look Irish) and Ace, well she blows up a Dalek with a rocket launcher, enough said.

 

[MesserWolf]

Yeah, that bugged me, too. I accept that there wouldn't have been a story without it, but I felt like it could have been handled better. If the doors had been soundproof, it would have worked just fine. Amy wouldn't have been able to ask which button to press, so she would have had to guess.

to their excuse that place was supposed to be some sort of resort/happy place/ tourist attraction

So I guess they assumed there was no danger. Naive perhaps, given their experiences, but not completely illogic .

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Honestly I know little about them. From the experience of watching the most popular "classics", most of the old companions serve the function of either.

A) Screaming.
B) Fainting.
C) Getting kidnapped.
D) Getting lost.
E) Asking what the story is,

The companions in the newer version are much more independent, strong and are not just there as a voice for audience. Although I'm a fan of Jamie (he's so scottish he makes Amy look Irish) and Ace, well she blows up a Dalek with a rocket launcher, enough said.

That's an accurate portrayal of Susan, and maybe Victoria and Mel (although I do like Victoria nonetheless), but it's a pretty gross simplification. Most of the companions in the original series were pretty strong and independent. Some more than others, but the vast majority of the companions have been pretty awesome characters. You certainly won't find Romana or the Brigadier doing much fainting or screaming, and characters like Vicki, Steven, Zoe, Leela, Nyssa and Peri frequently played major roles in helping the Doctor resolve the situations.

Yes, they sometimes got lost or kidnapped, but that happened to the Doctor, too. It's not a Doctor Who story unless at least one of the main characters (or possibly all of them) get locked up under suspicion of being spies or saboteurs.

 

[Hela]

She made it from her mobile phone. She also might have had some help from the Interface. Plus, if you're stuck and on the run for 36 years, what else are you gonna do?

Draw a creepy smile on a robot apparently.

Why would the interface be of any help making the screwdriver? Is it something anyone knows and can assemble now?

 

[DrForester]

Draw a creepy smile on a robot apparently.

Why would the interface be of any help making the screwdriver? Is it something anyone knows and can assemble now?

Well new Who has certainly beefed up it's importance, but I always saw the screwdriver as a average future multi-tool that anyone could get their hands on.

 

[EleventhDoctor]

Well new Who has certainly beefed up it's importance, but I always saw the screwdriver as a average future multi-tool that anyone could get their hands on.

Has the Physhic Interface Rory mentioned in LKH for the Sonic Screwdriver ever been mentioned before?

 

[OMG Aero]

Well new Who has certainly beefed up it's importance, but I always saw the screwdriver as a average future multi-tool that anyone could get their hands on.

I actually find it weird that time travel devices seem to more commonplace than sonic screwdrivers.

 

[Technosteve]

Rory had two wives =3

 

[King of the Potato People]

Rory had two wives =3

My hero.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Rory had two wives =3

And it isn't the first time he had two Amys either.

 

[GameplayWhore]

Rory had two wives =3

And they were identical twins. No small feat there.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Real shame Rory didn't give the old Amy a test run on her sexual prowess. Coulda made a proper choice from there.

 

[cory.]

Real shame Rory didn't give the old Amy a test run on her sexual prowess. Coulda made a proper choice from there.

Now that would be a real decision.

 

[Ripclawe]

So they can't be two Amy Ponds in the same place or just in the Tardis? cause they was the younger Amy and same Amy during last season though the universe was imploding....

 

[maharg]

Just in the TARDIS, I think. The line was drawn at the door.

 

[GameplayWhore]

So they can't be two Amy Ponds in the same place or just in the Tardis? cause they was the younger Amy and same Amy during last season though the universe was imploding....

The paradox wasn't that both of them were present at the same time. The paradox is that if they save young Amy, then old Amy was never there to be saved, so it's impossible for her to also be there.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Real shame Rory didn't give the old Amy a test run on her sexual prowess. Coulda made a proper choice from there.

She would have been 36 years out of practice.

 

[isny]

So they can't be two Amy Ponds in the same place or just in the Tardis? cause they was the younger Amy and same Amy during last season though the universe was imploding....

Just in the TARDIS, I think. The line was drawn at the door.

The TARDIS was trying to get away from that point in space time hence why the Doctor told Rory he only had a certain amount of time to make it back. The paradox would have probably eventually tore apart part of the universe if they had not got young Amy back in the TARDIS.

It's explained in S3 that the point of the paradox machine in the TARDIS that The Master built was to keep the universe from tearing apart.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

She would have been 36 years out of practice.

You think she called it the Rory bot for nothing.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

You think she called it the Rory bot for nothing.

Is it implying that Rory is soulless and mechanical in bed? I refuse to believe that. Of course, I would believe Amy is a fucking wild woman in bed.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

That was another problem I had. I can buy that in 36 years she would have had to become tough to survive, so I don't have a problem with her becoming a tough fighter. However, she's never really been portrayed as being tech savy or having computer smarts, so the fact that she managed to hack and rewrite a sophisticated mainframe and build her own sonic screwdriver feels completely out of place. If it was Nyssa or Zoe then I might buy it, but not Amy.

I just assumed the voice of Professor Umbridge helped her.

Good overnight ratings:


1 …. 10.6 (43.6%) …. The X Factor 20:15 ITV 1
2 …. 7.6 (37.3%) …. Strictly Come Dancing 18:15 BBC One
3 …. 6.0 (26.8%) …. Doctor Who 19:15 BBC One
4 …. 5.8 (25.7%) …. Red or Black? 21:15 ITV 1
5 …. 4.6 (20.7%) …. Red or Black? 19:00 ITV 1
6 …. 4.3 (19.8%) …. Last Night of the Proms 21:15 BBC One
7 …. 3.9 (29.1%) …. Match of the Day 23:00 BBC One
8 …. 3.6 (15.4%) …. The National Lottery: Secret Fortune 20:00 BBC One
9 …. 3.5 (14.4%) …. BBC News 20:45 BBC One
10 … 3.2 (33.6%) …. Rugby World Cup 2011: Argentina v England 09:00 ITV1

Will mostly likely see a good 1-2 million with the final ratings.

So funny that nearly a million people watched part 2 of Red or Black over part 1 and I bet most of those million tuned it at the last 3 mins to see if the contestant won the million or not. Such a failure of a show.
Glad Who beat it though, was worried that ITV's slick advertising would convince the drones it was worth watching.

 

[Fuzzy]

You think she called it the Rory bot for nothing.

I'm sure she did something with those hands after she chopped them off.

 

[Dr Zhivago]

Has the Physhic Interface Rory mentioned in LKH for the Sonic Screwdriver ever been mentioned before?

Seems to be new to this version of the sonic screwdriver. Tennant's screwdriver had numeric settings.

 

[The Elite]

Honestly I know little about them. From the experience of watching the most popular "classics", most of the old companions serve the function of either.

A) Screaming.
B) Fainting.
C) Getting kidnapped.
D) Getting lost.
E) Asking what the story is,

The companions in the newer version are much more independent, strong and are not just there as a voice for audience. Although I'm a fan of Jamie (he's so scottish he makes Amy look Irish) and Ace, well she blows up a Dalek with a rocket launcher, enough said.

I dare say the First Doctor's companions were the action heroes of the story. Ian was the muscle and Barbara was the brains (she figured out the TARDIS was sentient and trying to send them a message in Edge of Destruction). Sure, they'd do all those things you described, but the Doctor was a frail old man and the companions were usually the ones he had to rely on to help get them out of trouble. It was a great dynamic.

If you like the Doctor being a dick, you'll love the first Doc. Although, the stories might be a little too slow for some of you.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

On further thought, there's one slight problem I have. However, considering the life Future Amy has lived, it's understandable if she's just not thinking rationally. When we meet her, she's pissed at the Doctor and Rory for not rescuing her long ago. However, we later come to find she has memories of Future Future Amy refusing to help in a rescue, so she remembers that they TRIED but were stopped. So really her anger would seem more appropriately focused on her future self, the self she's become. But as I said, with such a screwed up situation... she's just going to be screwed up.

For any long time DW watchers, did the dynamic between Amy, Rory and The Doctor remind you of Ian, Barbara and Hartnell's Doctor?

Nah. For one they never made Ian and Barbara seem more like good friends. For another, while Rory has a heavy element of dweeb (less with time), Ian had to be the action man from the get-go since his Doctor was an old man.

 

[The Elite]

On further thought, there's one slight problem I have. However, considering the life Future Amy has lived, it's understandable if she's just not thinking rationally. When we meet her, she's pissed at the Doctor and Rory for not rescuing her long ago. However, we later come to find she has memories of Future Future Amy refusing to help in a rescue, so she remembers that they TRIED but were stopped. So really her anger would seem more appropriately focused on her future self, the self she's become. But as I said, with such a screwed up situation... she's just going to be screwed up.

Nah. For one they never made Ian and Barbara seem more like good friends. For another, while Rory has a heavy element of dweeb (less with time), Ian had to be the action man from the get-go since his Doctor was an old man.

I was talking more in this episode. Rory was definitely the man of action this week and I felt that their frustrations with the Doctor were very similar to those felt by Ian and Barbara at times. The First Doctor was notorious for not telling his companions everything (they've all done that to a degree, but the first stands out.) and I loved that Ian and Barbara wouldn't put up with his shit.

Such a bad ass group:

 

[andylsun]

Damn, that was an awesome episode - I hadn't been spoiled and didn't know where the story was going to go (and didn't know about old amy). Nice it was reasonably standalone, but with the themes from the last two series - Liked it more than Amy's Choice.

So only two episodes to go this season? The one trailed after The Girl Who Waited, and the one more?

 

[Seraphis Cain]

Damn, that was an awesome episode - I hadn't been spoiled and didn't know where the story was going to go (and didn't know about old amy). Nice it was reasonably standalone, but with the themes from the last two series - Liked it more than Amy's Choice.

So only two episodes to go this season? The one trailed after The Girl Who Waited, and the one more?

Three episodes to go.

 

[The Elite]

Damn, that was an awesome episode - I hadn't been spoiled and didn't know where the story was going to go (and didn't know about old amy). Nice it was reasonably standalone, but with the themes from the last two series - Liked it more than Amy's Choice.

So only two episodes to go this season? The one trailed after The Girl Who Waited, and the one more?

Three more episodes.

 

[andylsun]

Three more episodes.

Wonderful. But no two-parter finale? (without wanting to be spoiled about the content).

Didn't get a chance to watch confidential, and might try to fit that in during the Pats game.