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[infiniteloop]

Wonderful. But no two-parter finale?

nope

 

[The Elite]

nope

I'm conerned we might end up with a cliffhanger because of this. Something that leads into the Christmas Special.

 

[ultron87]

So the more I think about it the fact that Old Amy saw Old Amy refuse to help when she was Young Amy but then did something different when it was her turn is so whibbly wobbly that it is breaking my brain.

There was no new variable to that conversation that would've changed anything. Gah!

 

[The Elite]

So the more I think about it the fact that Old Amy saw Old Amy refuse to help when she was Young Amy but then did something different when it was her turn is so whibbly wobbly that it is breaking my brain.

There was no new variable to that conversation that would've changed anything. Gah!

Yeah, there's something strange about that. Although, I think there is something strange about Amy in general. She's able will things back into existence if she thinks really hard. Maybe she has a time head.

 

[bobs...onGaf]

So the more I think about it the fact that Old Amy saw Old Amy refuse to help when she was Young Amy but then did something different when it was her turn is so whibbly wobbly that it is breaking my brain.

There was no new variable to that conversation that would've changed anything. Gah!

Didnt the Doctor even bring that point up in the show? He said something about her being so unpredictable something something. To be fair ive forgotten the line, and it may not even be relevant to that point.

 

[The Elite]

Didnt the Doctor even bring that point up in the show? He said something about her being so unpredictable something something. To be fair ive forgotten the line, and it may not even be relevant to that point.

There was another line thrown in there too that I can't recall right now. I really need to rewatch this episode.

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

Yeah, there's something strange about that. Although, I think there is something strange about Amy in general. She's able will things back into existence if she thinks really hard. Maybe she has a time head.

When did this show stop being about the Doctor and start being about Amy? Gah! So frustrated. I liked the episode, but I still get the feeling more and more that Amy has become the focus. It probably has a lot to do with that horribly grating intro before every episode here where they basically tell the audience its all about Amy.

 

[barbecube]

That was a pretty Amy-fail episode - nothing that happens is really because of a decision she made. This season's Amy is a lot less of a protagonist than last season's, and it's pretty disappointing. She's developing a pretty serious damsel-in-distress complex.

 

[acheron_xl]

That was a pretty Amy-fail episode - nothing that happens is really because of a decision she made. This season's Amy is a lot less of a protagonist than last season's, and it's pretty disappointing. She's developing a pretty serious damsel-in-distress complex.

That's pretty much what the companion's traditional role is.

 

[infiniteloop]

When did this show stop being about the Doctor and start being about Amy? Gah! So frustrated. I liked the episode, but I still get the feeling more and more that Amy has become the focus. It probably has a lot to do with that horribly grating intro before every episode here where they basically tell the audience its all about Amy.

Doctor Who has focused on the companion as much as the Doctor since the show began (An Unearthly Child), as has the new show (Rose). After almost 50 years, the show stays fresh by rotating companions and telling stories about them.

 

[The Elite]

Doctor Who has focused on the companion as much as the Doctor since the show began (An Unearthly Child), as has the new show (Rose). After almost 50 years, the show stays fresh by rotating companions and telling stories about them.

Pretty much. You learn about the Doctor through his relationship with each companion. The companion is the gateway character into The Doctor's universe, you discover things through their eyes in much the same way The Doctor rediscovers things through them.

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

Doctor Who has focused on the companion as much as the Doctor since the show began (An Unearthly Child), as has the new show (Rose). After almost 50 years, the show stays fresh by rotating companions and telling stories about them.

Are you gonna suggest that the show focused as much on Rose as it has on Amy? No way. Rose was a great character, but at no point was she the key to the entire universe like Amy was last season.

 

[The Elite]

Are you gonna suggest that the show focused as much on Rose as it has on Amy? No way. Rose was a great character, but at no point was she the key to the entire universe like Amy was last season.

I'd suggest it considering we got to know her family well by the end of her run. We don't even know that much about Amy's family.

Rose's story was her adventure from an average chav living on a council estate, discovering a fantastic new life and ending up with Torchwood on an alternate Earth. I'd say there was a great deal of focus on Rose.

 

[infiniteloop]

Are you gonna suggest that the show focused as much on Rose as it has on Amy? No way. Rose was a great character, but at no point was she the key to the entire universe like Amy was last season.

I mean the episode not the character. That episode is very much Rose's POV. Also, I'm pretty sure Donna was the most important person in the entire universe during the fourth season.

 

[brucewaynegretzky]

I'd suggest it considering we got to know her family well by the end of her run. We don't even know that much about Amy's family.

Rose's story was her adventure from an average chav living on a council estate, discovering a fantastic new life and ending up with Torchwood on an alternate Earth. I'd say there was a great deal of focus on Rose.

Sure, but I still get the feeling the Who is becoming "The Amy Pond Show." I never felt that way with Rose. I REALLY liked Amy last season. This season has soured me on her to the point where I'd put her down at Martha level. Martha completely redeemed herself after she stopped being a full time companion. Amy has just gotten worse and worse.

 

[The Elite]

I mean the episode not the character. That episode is very much Rose's POV. Also, I'm pretty sure Donna was the most important person in the entire universe during the fourth season.

Rose
Father's Day
Parting of the Ways
The Christmas Invasion
are all very Rose-Centric episodes IMO

I'm sure there are more from the second season that I'm not thinking of as well.

Sure, but I still get the feeling the Who is becoming "The Amy Pond Show." I never felt that way with Rose. I REALLY liked Amy last season. This season has soured me on her to the point where I'd put her down at Martha level. Martha completely redeemed herself after she stopped being a full time companion. Amy has just gotten worse and worse.

I guess it comes down to just liking Amy more than you. I'm definitely seeing a focus on her character, but I don't find it distracting.

 

[Guerrillas in the Mist]

Rose
Father's Day
Parting of the Ways
The Christmas Invasion
are all very Rose-Centric episodes IMO

I'm sure there are more from the second season that I'm not thinking of as well.



I guess it comes down to just liking Amy more than you. I'm definitely seeing a focus on her character, but I don't find it distracting.

I find it odd how Rose and Donna's family were fairly important, yet we don't know much about Amy's other than her living (or having lived) with her aunt, as far as I can remember.

Well Amy's lack of a family was a plot point in Series 5 in that the crack erased them all from existence.

Ah, forgot about that whole time crack thing.

 

[ultron87]

Well Amy's lack of a family was a plot point in Series 5 in that the crack erased them all from existence.

 

[The Elite]

I find it odd how Rose and Donna's family were fairly important, yet we don't know much about Amy's other than her living (or having lived) with her aunt, as far as I can remember.

We saw her parents in the final episode of Season 5 as well. I think Moffatt doesn't want to focus on the families as much. Martha's family was important as well.

 

[ultron87]

Ah, forgot about that whole time crack thing.

I somewhat worry that Moffat has as well.

 

[cory.]

(spoilers for tgww) http://i.imgur.com/Nc10X.jpg

 

[infiniteloop]

(spoilers for tgww) http://i.imgur.com/Nc10X.jpg

lol

Rory is my favorite new Who companion.

 

[EleventhDoctor]

I'm holding out hope that in the finale, we find out
1. The Silence planned to blow up the TARDIS, causing the cracks...why they wanted to reboot the universe....
2. How and Why The Silence and Kovarian knew about River and why they wanted here-what the "Endless War" is all about...
3. The details of Melody's reprogramming-why did they have to have this one person carry out an assassination detail-wouldn't there have been less complex, more fool-proof methods?

It's a lot to cram in the hour, but I really want these plotlines wrapped up and not dragged out another season.

Additionally, one that doesn't have to be addressed immediately, but would be nice:

4. Who the hell has time travel technology, in total. I think The Daleks, Cybermen, The Silence, Madame Kovarian's group, Time Agents (like Captain Jack) and those people aboard The Tessalecta ALL have time travel capabilities. That's a bit messy...

 

[infiniteloop]

In the Who-nivese, time travel is available for 3 monthly installments of $29.95.

 

[maharg]

I actually assumed the people in the Tesselacta are from the same/similar organization from the distant future human history as Jack's "time agents".

What's the evidence Kovarian's people have time travel?

 

[acheron_xl]

I actually assumed the people in the Tesselacta are from the same/similar organization from the distant future human history as Jack's "time agents".

I assumed this as well. Makes a bunch of sense.

What's the evidence Kovarian's people have time travel?

How did the child end up in 1969?

 

[ultron87]

Well they kidnapped Amy from the present day, had her give birth at Demon's Run at some time period where the Church is in a dominant position (right?), and then brought Melody back to the 1960s to that orphanage.

 

[tuffy]

4. Who the hell has time travel technology, in total. I think The Daleks, Cybermen, The Silence, Madame Kovarian's group, Time Agents (like Captain Jack) and those people aboard The Tessalecta ALL have time travel capabilities. That's a bit messy...

The Sontarans are time travelers, naturally. Whereas the Cybermen, in general, do not.

 

[maharg]

Well they kidnapped Amy from the present day, had her give birth at Demon's Run at some time period where the Church is in a dominant position (right?), and then brought Melody back to the 1960s to that orphanage.

Yeah, I suppose. Though it's, of course, still possible that some established time traveller is behind them or involved with them.

 

[EleventhDoctor]

Yeah, I suppose. Though it's, of course, still possible that some established time traveller is behind them or involved with them.

Well, they had to not only have time travel tech to kidnap Amy and bring her to Demon's Run, but also have tech that could broadcast a signal to her Flesh on the TARDIS where/whenever in time and space it was.

 

[cory.]

Well, they had to not only have time travel tech to kidnap Amy and bring her to Demon's Run, but also have tech that could broadcast a signal to her Flesh on the TARDIS where/whenever in time and space it was.

I wonder if that's the same tech that allows Amy to tweet from Apalapucia.

 

[Hot Coldman]

I wonder if that's the same tech that allows Amy to tweet from Apalapucia.

Superphone!

 

[EleventhDoctor]

Superphone!

yeah, just sonic it-it will be fine.

 

[googleplex]

lol

Rory is my favorite new Who companion.

You could drop Amy and the Doctor and just have Rory in the Tardis and is still watch the fuck out of the show.

 

[The Elite]

I actually assumed the people in the Tesselacta are from the same/similar organization from the distant future human history as Jack's "time agents".

What's the evidence Kovarian's people have time travel?

The only evidence we have is that Kovarian was the last person to have Melody and the next time we see her (err, the first time) she's in 60's Earth. Of course, someone else could have brought her to that time period.

 

[EleventhDoctor]

The only evidence we have is that Kovarian was the last person to have Melody and the next time we see her (err, the first time) she's in 60's Earth. Of course, someone else could have brought her to that time period.

At some point, they started saying that the Silence were the ones that brainwashed and kindapped Melody-but does that mean that Kovarian is working with the Silence? If The Silence is a religious movement, does that mean all those "Clerics" and Kovarian are working WITH The Silence?

 

[The Elite]

At some point, they started saying that the Silence were the ones that brainwashed and kindapped Melody-but does that mean that Kovarian is working with the Silence? If The Silence is a religious movement, does that mean all those "Clerics" and Kovarian are working WITH The Silence?

I think the Silence was manipulating the Clerics (the religious movement and the species) but I think there is still another group we haven't met just yet. I'm convinced Kovarian is working for someone else.

 

[ultron87]

I'm still confused when it comes to the group referred to as the Silence and the aliens from The Impossible Astronaut. Did those aliens ever actually get called "The Silence" at any point in the show?

Or are they just some new species that happens to be working with The Silence?

 

[The Elite]

I'm still confused when it comes to the group referred to as the Silence and the aliens from The Impossible Astronaut. Did those aliens ever actually get called "The Silence" at any point in the show?

Or are they just some new species that happens to be working with The Silence?

I remember them being referred to as the Silence/Silents. But I don't know if that was determined to be their species.

 

[maharg]

They're called Silents in the credits.

 

[Quick]

"Silence" collectively, "Silent" individually.

 

[The Elite]

They're called Silents in the credits.

Thanks. I've never actually bothered to look.

 

[EleventhDoctor]

And when the Doctor confronts the wounded one in the orphanage, it says "We are the Silence."

 

[The Elite]

And when the Doctor confronts the wounded one in the orphanage, it says "We are the Silence."

Yup, but he could be referring to his race or the group he's affiliated with. From what we've learned, it sounds like he was referring to the group he was affiliated with.

 

[ultron87]

Maybe there isn't actually an alien race that looks like that. Maybe the Silence group just has access to some sort of super perception filter like technology that makes everyone see them as that race and then erases your memory.

They just chose not to use that tech at Demon's Run since they had a bunch of military henchmen with them.

 

[Wiseblade]

I like this episode conceptually, but I felt like it would have been better if Rory and Old Amy had more time together.

 

[Hela]

yeah, just sonic it-it will be fine.

That's been the rule of all the seasons of new Who.

 

[OMG Aero]

Additionally, one that doesn't have to be addressed immediately, but would be nice:

4. Who the hell has time travel technology, in total. I think The Daleks, Cybermen, The Silence, Madame Kovarian's group, Time Agents (like Captain Jack) and those people aboard The Tessalecta ALL have time travel capabilities. That's a bit messy...

This is the one thing that bugs me about Doctor Who as a whole.
If numerous evil races have time travel technology then why isn't the universe all fucked up? Are we to assume that Doctor stops them every time they go and mess with the past?

 

[GameplayWhore]

Maybe there isn't actually an alien race that looks like that. Maybe the Silence group just has access to some sort of super perception filter like technology that makes everyone see them as that race and then erases your memory.

If that's the case, wouldn't they have changed the perception filter as soon as people started killing them en masse in 1969?

 

[mrklaw]

And when the Doctor confronts the wounded one in the orphanage, it says "We are the Silence."

are you sure they're saying 'silence' and not 'silents'? With lazy pronunciation they could be identical and deliberately misleading?