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[StealthGoblin]

I do wonder whether they'll try and bring back Omega during the return of Gallifrey.

Although mad, he is a genius and does have some experience at travelling through different forms of universes.He may help them out of the stasis lock and have his matter restored.

Maybe the cracks in time did allow matter to go through and he formed himself from that.

 

[Boem]

There are a few Gallifrey-related characters that might pop up during his search for Gallifrey over the next couple of years. Apart from the Master, Rassilon, the High Council, Omega and the Rani there's the Monk, Romana (who apparently became President for a while after leaving the Doctor, according to the books/audios), Leela (who was left behind on Gallifrey the last time we saw her), two K9s, Susan, the Corsair, the Warlord (who might be the same person as the Master, but that's never really been made clear), the Black and White Guardian (not exactly Gallifrayan but important to their story. Also they're crap) and some odd side characters here and there.

Not all of them are likely to return - if any at all - but now that Gallifrey seems to be an important part of the story again it's something to keep an eye out for.

 

[acheron_xl]

Not gonna lie; I really want the Rani back. She has the potential for so much more depth than the Master.

 

[Sadist]

I'm going in knowing nothing, so I'm pumped.

Capaldi away!

 

[Seraphis Cain]

Depends how complete the story you need is. You probably ought to include The Bells of St John. Other than that, I don't think anything is crucial. I'd consider adding in Journey to the Centre of the Tardis because it includes a small element that's referred to later on.

That said, while I don't think it's particularly necessary, I'd also include Hide simply because I think it's perhaps the best episode of that run.

Yeah, I think I'm just going to watch all of it. Just finished Rings of Akahten, and I'm starting to realize that what I was tired of wasn't Matt Smith, it was River Song and the Ponds that whole storyline. 'Cause so far I've been enjoying these episodes more than anything in S6-7A.

 

[thefro]

Yeah, I think I'm just going to watch all of it. Just finished Rings of Akahten, and I'm starting to realize that what I was tired of wasn't Matt Smith, it was River Song and the Ponds that whole storyline. 'Cause so far I've been enjoying these episodes more than anything in S6-7A.

That's how I felt too. As someone who just got caught up a few months ago that whole season flows pretty well (from The Snowmen --> 7B ---> Day of the Doctor stuff) when you can watch it in a shorter time period without the gaps of months between.

Don't forget about all the supplemental episodes/prequels. They stashed some of Clara's best character building in those for whatever reason.

 

[infiniteloop]

Hulu in the US has 413 classic Doctor Who episodes:

http://www.hulu.com/classic-doctor-who

Not everything, but a huge chuck of stuff and much cheaper than getting all the DVDs.

 

[Blader]

I'm in the minority but I thought Tennant and Matt were both pretty perfect in the role, while Eccleston's Doctor never really sold me.

Maybe I should rewatch S1 some day, I think a lot of my perceptions of that year were colored by my own inexperience with Who and that, just as the show was trying to find its own groove, I was trying to find my own groove with "getting" what the show's all about. But my lasting impression is that I never really bought into Eccleston as the Doctor the way I did with Tennant and Matt.

 

[Ade]

There are a few Gallifrey-related characters that might pop up during his search for Gallifrey over the next couple of years.

What search? We know where it is, as does he, and he knows why it cant come back.

Or am I missing something?

 

[Loke13]

What search? We know where it is, as does he, and he knows why it cant come back.

Or am I missing something?

Finding Gallifrey is like one the major points of series 8. That's kinda what the whole Day of the Doctor was about.

 

[aHebrewMenagerie]

Finding Gallifrey is like one the major points of series 8. That's kinda what the whole Day of the Doctor was about.

Probably not necessarily only series 8, it'll probably be folded out over Capaldi's tenure. I would expect that it would be resolved by the end of it, considering there were only 13 Doctors that helped save Gallifrey, because possibly no more were needed.

Of course we know the real reason is because we realistically don't know how many Doctors there will be after Capaldi.

But I totally expect people like Omega, the Rani, and the Master to pop back up over the next couple years.

 

[Boem]

What search? We know where it is, as does he, and he knows why it cant come back.

Or am I missing something?

For the first 50 years, the Doctor was running away from Gallifrey for reasons that never were or will be completely explained (merely hinted at). According to Moffat, and what the show told us in the 50th special and the christmas special, that's now switched around. Now we (and the Doctor) learned that the Doctor didn't destroy Gallifrey in the Time War (which happened in the period between the classic and modern series), but moved it outside our universe/reality. Finding Gallifrey again and bringing his homeworld back is now the Doctor's main goal. He doesn't know exactly where it is, just that it is out of our reality, and he doesn't know how to get to it. All that happened in the 50th special. In the christmas special, the Timelords where trying to reach the Doctor through the crack in time/space so he could save them (which didn't happen).

I don't expect him to find Gallifrey again next season though. Moffat said that running away was the Doctor's motivation for the first 50 years, trying to get home again is his motivation for the next 50. It probably won't take that long, but it'll be hinted at during the next couple of years for sure, while he's working on more direct problems and conflicts. Keep in mind that the Doctor's relation to Gallifrey was only a plot point in a few stories over the last decades. I don't think that will change, he will probably still be mostly engaged in week-to-week, more or less standalone adventures.

 

[Ade]

Finding Gallifrey is like one the major points of series 8. That's kinda what the whole Day of the Doctor was about.

Yes, and wasn't it all nicely wrapped up in Time of the Doctor, when they, you know, found Gallifrey, realised that it can't really ever come back into this universe as it would restart the time war with the new Dalek Empire and such, so they gave him a new cycle of regenerations and went on their merry way?

I know Moffat post Day of the Doctor muttered about how he now has to find his way home, but Im pretty certain that was twaddle considering the events of Time of the Doctor.

I'll eat my hat if theres ANY mention of "Oh Im trying to find Gallifrey" this season at all.

 

[ClivePwned]

For the first 50 years, the Doctor was running away from Gallifrey for reasons that never were or will be completely explained (merely hinted at). A

retcons and extended universe aside, I will paraphrase but basically the Doctor says, over and over again.
"I was bored, the Timelords do nothing with their immense power and I wanted to see the Universe."

 

[Vibranium]

I'm in the minority but I thought Tennant and Matt were both pretty perfect in the role, while Eccleston's Doctor never really sold me.

Maybe I should rewatch S1 some day, I think a lot of my perceptions of that year were colored by my own inexperience with Who and that, just as the show was trying to find its own groove, I was trying to find my own groove with "getting" what the show's all about. But my lasting impression is that I never really bought into Eccleston as the Doctor the way I did with Tennant and Matt.

Eccleston may take time to warm up to for some people, but watch his acting during the episode Dalek and it will definitely sell you. For a guy who hated the nature of the show and some of the crew, he acted his ass off in front of a metal shell.

 

[Boem]

Yes, and wasn't it all nicely wrapped up in Time of the Doctor, when they, you know, found Gallifrey, realised that it can't really ever come back into this universe as it would restart the time war with the new Dalek Empire and such, so they gave him a new cycle of regenerations and went on their merry way?

I know Moffat post Day of the Doctor muttered about how he now has to find his way home, but Im pretty certain that was twaddle considering the events of Time of the Doctor.

I'll eat my hat if theres ANY mention of "Oh Im trying to find Gallifrey" this season at all.

I think you'll have to eat your hat next saturday then, because according to one review there's already a reference to it in the first episode . They also didn't find Gallifrey, just a crack through which he could communicate with them (to a certain extent). The reason they couldn't come back at that exact point was because pretty much every enemy of the Doctor/Gallifrey was holding Trenzalore and the crack at gunpoint. It was a standoff that lasted a couple of hundred years. Coming back right there and then would result in a massacre, and the destruction of Trenzalore as seen by the Doctor in the series 7 finale. He didn't want to sacrifice the inhabitants of that town to bring the Timelords back, but that doesn't mean he has given up on that goal.

And I understand that those last arguments could come down to a different interpretation of that episode, but the most important thing here is that Moffat just went out and said that finding Gallifrey is his goal from now on.

retcons and extended universe aside, I will paraphrase but basically the Doctor says, over and over again.
"I was bored, the Timelords do nothing with their immense power and I wanted to see the Universe."

That's part of it (the most important part in fact), but there are also hints that there's more to it than that. Conversations with Susan (Susan constantly wanting to go home, the Doctor wistfully saying "We can never go back" etc.), and conversations between the Master and Pertwee all hinted at that. I don't expect we'll ever find out much more about it though (like the exact relationship between him and Susan, who her parents and grandmother are and why the Doctor almost never talks about them anymore). There's very little we know about the Doctor's life before he left Gallifrey. Early in the first season the Doctor and Susan state that they have only been travelling for a relatively short amount of time, and Name of the Doctor showed that the first Doctor already was an old man then - meaning that he already lived a full life there (which he sort of had to, if he already had a teenage granddaughter). The biggest hints about his past I can think of right now are Pertwee talking about a strange hermit living in the wilderness of Gallifrey and serving as a mentor (and later meeting him again), and the brief flashback to the Master's childhood in the Tennant episodes. Some mysteries are better left alone, it works better for the character that way. That said, who knows what some showrunner in 10 years wants to do with the show.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

What I liked about Matt as the Doctor was how much more alien he felt in the role, perhaps because he wasn't a Who megafan or anything. I got genuinely tired of Tennant by the end, there felt like too much of some mopey human there (as much the writing as the acting at fault there), which is a shame because I was reminded of how fun he could be in the 50th anniversary show.

 

[paradox121]

Not gonna lie; I really want the Rani back. She has the potential for so much more depth than the Master.

The Rani suffers from the problem of only appearing in terrible, terrible episodes (including Dimensions in Time *shudder*) when in reality she's arguably a much better realised character than the Master. At the end of the day what does the Master actually want to do? Annoy the Doctor slightly? Whereas the Rani actually had goals and didnt give a fuck what the Doctor got up to.

Also here's a disturbing painting given to Capaldi and Jenna in Seoul:

Truly captures Jenna's beauty.

 

[Boem]

At the end of the day what does the Master actually want to do? Annoy the Doctor slightly?

I like the theory that the Master (the Delgado-version at least) is actually in love with the Doctor, but that he's too stuck up and old-fashioned to even begin to consider that as a possibility, and out of these confusing emotions he just starts endlessly bugging the Doctor (he seriously won't leave him alone for a single week during the first half of the Pertwee years). The hints are there if you want to read into that, and it was even hinted at in the Tennant-Davison team up they did for Comic Relief ("Guess who's back? The Master!" "Does he still have that rubbish beard?" "Well, he's married...").

I prefer that theory over the explanation given in the Tennant episode with the drums. That's some Star Wars-prequel level retcon. Don't even remember the details, I'm leaving it out of my head-canon .

That painting is terrifying.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

Was that painting made by the lady who ruined the Jesus portrait

The resemblance is uncanny

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

did I miss the new intro song ?

Yep, the youtube link seems to be erased
Anywhere i can find the new OP uploaded?

 

[Exterminieren]

I didn't realise that Clara was played by Steve Buscemi nowadays.

BTW, would anyone be interested in a little spoiler-free review of Deep Breath from me? Spoiler free and under tags, of course.

 

[Pluto]

Yep, the youtube link seems to be erased
Anywhere i can find the new OP uploaded?

Try this:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2335qx_generique-de-la-saison-8-de-doctor-who_tv

 

[Boem]

I didn't realise that Clara was played by Steve Buscemi nowadays.

BTW, would anyone be interested in a little spoiler-free review of Deep Breath from me? Spoiler free and under tags, of course.

I am! No plot details or anything, but just general impressions of how Capaldi plays the part is what I'm mostly interested in. Bonus points if you can point out what we can expect based on comparisons with previous Doctors.

 

[Mariolee]

Fireblend is a saint and you should all respect him as a fellow Whovian. That is all.

 

[AndyB1974]

I didn't realise that Clara was played by Steve Buscemi nowadays.

BTW, would anyone be interested in a little spoiler-free review of Deep Breath from me? Spoiler free and under tags, of course.

Most definitely.

 

[aHebrewMenagerie]

The Rani suffers from the problem of only appearing in terrible, terrible episodes (including Dimensions in Time *shudder*) when in reality she's arguably a much better realised character than the Master. At the end of the day what does the Master actually want to do? Annoy the Doctor slightly? Whereas the Rani actually had goals and didnt give a fuck what the Doctor got up to.

Also here's a disturbing painting given to Capaldi and Jenna in Seoul:

Truly captures Jenna's beauty.

The stuff of nightmares.

Worse than halo3lordhood.jpg.

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

Try this:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2335qx_generique-de-la-saison-8-de-doctor-who_tv

Thanks.

It surprises me a lot that is nearly exactly like the fan made one. I thought from what people said that it was an inspiration, but not that it was so similar!

They probably had to talk with the one that did the original.

I cant hear the music too much becuase of the shouting woman, but seems interesting, cant wait to hear the clear version.

 

[Fireblend]

I didn't realise that Clara was played by Steve Buscemi nowadays.

BTW, would anyone be interested in a little spoiler-free review of Deep Breath from me? Spoiler free and under tags, of course.

Please do! I'm particularly interested in music and sound. Were there enough tracks to sense some sort of musical tone to the season? Were there scenes with no background music or was there always something playing? (I've seen people complaint about the lack of "silent" scenes in Matt's run).

Edit: Unless you'd be writing about the leak, in which case that stuff isn't there yet

 

[Akahige]

Oh man so pumped for Peter Capaldi as the Doctor.

 

[broadwayrock]

Meanwhile in Seoul...

 

[Boem]

I just can't decide whether the Zygon or the Sontaran is my favorite.

 

[Hot Coldman]

I just can't decide whether the Zygon or the Sontaran is my favorite.

Not sure if I prefer the Sontaran's jeans and sandals, or the Zygon's shorts.

 

[M.Bluth]

Also here's a disturbing painting given to Capaldi and Jenna in Seoul:

Truly captures Jenna's beauty.

God, that whole event was awkward as hell.
But whomever decided to give out that... thing on stage must've been mad.

 

[Vibranium]

Korean Ninth Doctor looks pretty cool, I approve.

 

[The Real Abed]

I'm going in knowing nothing, so I'm pumped.

Capaldi away!

Me too! Can't wait!

 

[APZonerunner]

After the End of Time, it doesn't make much sense for the Master to be an enemy of the Doctor. Not the way he's always been.
So, unless they're willing to spend time exploring how those events affected him, personally, I wouldn't care for him returning.

In fairness, the Doctor and the Master fell on the same side of the fence for temporarily/brotherly alliances in the old series, too. It's why the Tenth Doctor is so bent on pleading him to not do this, so set on saving him. The Master is frequently an antagonist, but isn't really an enemy.

There are a few Gallifrey-related characters that might pop up during his search for Gallifrey over the next couple of years. Apart from the Master, Rassilon, the High Council, Omega and the Rani there's the Monk, Romana (who apparently became President for a while after leaving the Doctor, according to the books/audios), Leela (who was left behind on Gallifrey the last time we saw her), two K9s, Susan, the Corsair, the Warlord (who might be the same person as the Master, but that's never really been made clear), the Black and White Guardian (not exactly Gallifrayan but important to their story. Also they're crap) and some odd side characters here and there.

Not all of them are likely to return - if any at all - but now that Gallifrey seems to be an important part of the story again it's something to keep an eye out for.

Finding Gallifrey is like one the major points of series 8. That's kinda what the whole Day of the Doctor was about.

Moffat already said after Day of the Doctor in interviews a couple of times - don't expect Gallifrey to necessarily play a big role. He did what he wanted to do with it - he retconned the genocide, which he didn't like, and used it to get around the regeneration limit. He may be bluffing, but he did say to not take the end of the Day of the Doctor as a statement of what is going to happen, arc wise, with the show... mainly because historically the Time Lords/Gallifrey are kinda crap. He did do a nudge and a wink and say maybe one day, but this isn't going to become quest for Gallifrey or anything. He said if they have a place for it they'll use it, but he doesn't intend to ram it in and has other ideas.

Or to quote Gatiss, in all likelihood Moffat's successor in a couple more years:

"Every time you go back to Gallifrey, it starts to make the Time Lords a bit too domesticated. I know that’s why Russell T Davies came up with the whole idea of the Doctor being the last one because eventually if you see them so often they become a bit like a bunch of MPs, whereas if you talk about them as this amazing, powerful force, they’re much more exciting. I don’t know if I would want to do [an episode with Time Lords/Gallifrey]. I think the way the Time Lords were represented in The End of Time and The Day of the Doctor was very exciting because we’re seeing them in a crisis and they’re trying to come up with different ways of saving themselves. But I suppose if the Doctor ever does find Gallifrey again, then we might find out more."

RE The Rani specifically, Moffat said this just this week:
"Moffat: “People always ask me “Do you want to bring back the Rani?” No one knows who the Rani is. They all know who the Master is, they know Daleks, they probably know who Davros is, but they don’t know who the Rani is, so there’s no point in bringing her back. If there’s a line it’s probably somewhere there.”"

 

[Fireblend]

Found in reddit, made me crack up:

 

[infiniteloop]

That's amazing.

 

[APZonerunner]

Bit of a warning: Episode 2 of Series 8 has leaked in its entirety now. Same sort of quality, etc, as the Episode 1 leak, so full HD but Black and White (old school!) with some unfinished CGI. Beware of spoilers. And keep in mind the server that leaked had workprint versions all the way up to episode 6, so the other four might leak too. Beware of any weird tumblr gifs or whatever.

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

Found in reddit, made me crack up:

Fuck, is nearly 2 am here!
Im going to wake up the whole house!

 

[The Elite]

Bit of a warning: Episode 2 of Series 8 has leaked in its entirety now. Same sort of quality, etc, as the Episode 1 leak, so full HD but Black and White (old school!) with some unfinished CGI. Beware of spoilers. And keep in mind the server that leaked had workprint versions all the way up to episode 6, so the other four might leak too. Beware of any weird tumblr gifs or whatever.

Welp.

 

[Boem]

Snip.
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Yeah, I don't expect the Doctor to just find Gallifrey again anytime soon. I mean, let's say he lands on Gallifrey in the finale and brings them all back. What then? Does he just go on the run again? I think it's just something that will be simmering in the background for quite a while, and something that will come back in greater detail if they hit another anniversary or something. I do expect several small hints and remarks about his search though, in the same vein as the references to the Time War during the earlier RTD seasons.

I do expect them to bring out one or two fellow Timelords/Gallifrayans at some point. Not too soon, but just to give a sense of a little bit of progress on that quest (that might not end within the next 10 years). The list of possible cameos from Gallifrayans wasn't meant as a list of people I definitely expected to show up again - just a list of every possible candidate I could think of.

Edit: Re: the leak: Man, I wouldn't want to be a part of the Moffat household today. The guy must be livid.
Also sucks to be Marcelo Carmago right now.

 

[Lynd7]

I doubt there will be any sort of conclusion to the Gallifrey thing for a very long time. Its an open ended vague goal. I don't think Moffat set it up for much else, aside from the regeneration reset.

 

[OneEyedKing]

Found in reddit, made me crack up:

Oh my god

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

Found in reddit, made me crack up:

Tempted to make this my work desktop image and have everyone wonder about me even more

 

[Fireblend]

Bit of a warning: Episode 2 of Series 8 has leaked in its entirety now. Same sort of quality, etc, as the Episode 1 leak, so full HD but Black and White (old school!) with some unfinished CGI. Beware of spoilers. And keep in mind the server that leaked had workprint versions all the way up to episode 6, so the other four might leak too. Beware of any weird tumblr gifs or whatever.

Oh well. Sucks for the BBC but due to it being a preproduction version with the shitty sound and the B&W thing at least I doubt it's going to make anyone say "eh, might as well not watch them now!". Similarly to the first leak, I'll look for it, if only to watch it after the finished episode has aired and to keep it as a historical curiosity.

 

[Future Foundation]

A bit of news for NYC-GAF, the NY leg of the World Tour takes place on Thursday. Tickets go on sale on Monday @ 12pm on Eventbrite.com

The price? $12.

Spoiler

not including service charges

 

[Bluth54]

According to the Mirror Peter Capaldi has signed up for a second series of Doctor Who. Not an official announcement though.

 

[Dr Zhivago]

According to the Mirror Peter Capaldi

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