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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life

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Amir0x

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bullshit, Donna is the best female companion of the reboot.
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Seriously!

And she has THE most tragic end of any companion, ever, to me. At least other companions would die or some shit... Donna is fucking doomed to revert to being a bitter, shallow person who forgot everything about how her experience with the Doctor made her a better person.
 
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Axiom

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My expectations with Donna were so low due to the Brits hating on her comedy, then it turned out she was fantastic in the companion role.

Considering how big and 'everywhere' she apparently was as a comedian before Who, I can't say I really blame people for having a real bias against the actress...but it's a shame as she really was the best of Tennant's 3.
 
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StalkerUKCG

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I fully expect Jack and Tennant to return at this point.

Tennant said that while he was on ITV a rep from BBC came to make sure he wouldn't say anything. I quizzed a friend who works in accounting at the BBC about this and he seems to think they only do something like that when legitimate information could leak.

With the stuff Barrowman has been saying id expect what's happened has he has been told to STFU by the BBC.

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The Real Abed

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Jack and Ten were my favorite bromance (Ugh, did I just use that word?) in those early-middle seasons. Am pretty bummed they hadn't gotten him into the new series yet, but at the same time am having a hard time picturing Jack interacting with Eleven. I guess it's for the better. Eleven works better alone with normal companions. Still, I'd love to see them pull it off at some point before Eleven goes away.
 
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The Autumn Wind
I understand it was supposed to be another "reboot" when the Matt Smith era started, but it's a real shame Moffat seems to have severed ties with pretty much all characters from the RTD years (aside from River, whom he created). Jack being the biggest casualty of all.
 
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Exterminieren

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I understand it was supposed to be another "reboot" when the Matt Smith era started, but it's a real shame Moffat seems to have severed ties with pretty much all characters from the RTD years (aside from River, whom he created). Jack being the biggest casualty of all.
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The original concept for A Good Man Goes To War had Jack being part of the Doctor's gang. It was only Barrowman's commitments to filming Miracle Day that stopped it.
 
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I understand it was supposed to be another "reboot" when the Matt Smith era started, but it's a real shame Moffat seems to have severed ties with pretty much all characters from the RTD years (aside from River, whom he created). Jack being the biggest casualty of all.
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A lot of it wouldn't really make sense anyway, to be fair. Donna, Wilf etc etc were all done. Rose is off and gone. The only things that made sense in continuing was Sarah Jane's modern story - check, Smith appeared in her spin off before she passed away. Jack - who Moffat tried to bring back as previously noted, and probably will in the future. And Martha - who I honestly think Moffat doesn't really know how to write for - she wasn't really in Blink, after all. I'd love to see her crop up out of nowhere as a UNIT base commander in five or ten years or something, though. Martha would've worked in Kate's role in The Power of Three, but really a relation of the Brig trumps any old companion.

It's not like he's 'severed ties,' there's plenty of continuity from that era throughout his series; he's just carving his own legacy as well. That's fair enough. The Doctor's Wife is soaked in RTD-era lore, and so are many other episodes, but there's plenty of new stuff. That's how this show works and has always worked.
 
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Burai

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The original concept for A Good Man Goes To War had Jack being part of the Doctor's gang. It was only Barrowman's commitments to filming Miracle Day that stopped it.
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That's a shame. The whole thing of "the Doctor's friends" made no sense as we'd never seen any of these characters before. It just felt really awkward and tacked on.
 
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Exterminieren

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Burai said:
That's a shame. The whole thing of "the Doctor's friends" made no sense as we'd never seen any of these characters before. It just felt really awkward and tacked on.
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I don't know, I kinda dug it. We all know that the Doctor has loads of adventures that we don't see, so why not play with that a little?

Helped that they were all good, interesting characters, too.
 
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Zeppu

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http://www.doctorwho.tv/whats-new/article/doctor-who-50th-celebration-weekend-announced-for-november

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To celebrate 50 years of Doctor Who, BBC Worldwide will bring thousands of the Time Lord’s fans together for a very special three-day event, across the anniversary weekend. The Doctor Who 50th Celebration Weekend will be held at ExCeL in London, beginning on Friday, 22 November, with tickets for over 15,000 fans.

More details about the Doctor Who 50th Celebration Weekend, including guests, intinerary, ticket prices and booking information will be revealed soon, alongside a host of other surprises. Fans should sign up to the doctorwho.tv newsletter to be the first to hear about plans for the celebration.

Saturday November 23, 2013 will mark 50 years to the day since the Doctor first appeared on British TV screens and since then his global appeal has continued to grow, with viewers across generations in over 200 territories around the world and over 3 million Facebook fans.

Throughout the year, Doctor Who fans across all of space and time will be able to join in the celebrations closer to home. BBC America are marking the anniversary with a number of original programme commissions which will look back at the Doctor throughout the years. The programmes will focus on a different Doctor each month in chronological order, and kicked off with William Hartnell’s Doctor in January before culminating with the current Doctor, played by Matt Smith in November. The programmes will also be made available internationally.

In New Zealand, BBC Worldwide Australasia has collaborated with the New Zealand Mint to produce a Doctor Who commemorative coin featuring the TARDIS which will be classified as legal tender to the value of $2(NZD).

A huge range of new products will also be released throughout 2013. A set of 11 celebratory Doctor Who stamps will be available to purchase from March 26 and Harlequin Goldsmiths has created a collection of Limited Edition Sterling silver and 9ct gold statuaries, together with a range of jewellery for both ladies and gentlemen.

Amanda Hill, Chief Brands Officer at BBC Worldwide said: “Generations of fans young and old have been captivated by the Doctor and we’ve seen Doctor Who go from strength to strength, enjoying something of a global march over the past few years attracting new followers from Turkey to Brazil to South Korea. This year long celebration is an opportunity for fans around the world to come together and celebrate the glorious past, present and future of Doctor Who.”
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sturmdogg

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Just finished "The Angels take Manhattan". Can someone explain to me how someone who can go to the ends of time, who can travel beyond the universe, who actually rebooted the universe, can not go back in time and save Rory and Amy from the Weeping Angels?

Poor Doctor :(
 
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sturmdogg said:
Just finished "The Angels take Manhattan". Can someone explain to me how someone who can go to the ends of time, who can travel beyond the universe, who actually rebooted the universe, can not go back in time and save Rory and Amy from the Weeping Angels?

Poor Doctor :(
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The Doctor's ability to break time is, of course, directly related to plot. When the plot requires it, he can reboot the universe. When the plot requires it, he's helpless.

Still, the Doctor being forever locked out of the rest of Amy and Rory's lives is internally consistent in this instance: knowledge of their final fate is now a part of the Doctor's own personal timeline. Because he knows about it, it is part of his own past and he can't even visit them without changing his own past and causing a paradox. Or some other wibbly wobbly problem.

It almost feels as if the Doctor was entrapped. Amy writing the book in the way she did - she COULD have merely left a properly worded note for the Doctor that would be later published, and give him a clue as to where to find them without causing a paradox.

Instead, it was a detailed account of everything that happened on their final adventure with the Doctor, essentially giving the Doctor so much detail that he was doomed - locked firmly into a timeline where there was no cracks for him to wiggle through and go get them or even directly interact with them.
 
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EleventhDoctor

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sturmdogg said:
Just finished "The Angels take Manhattan". Can someone explain to me how someone who can go to the ends of time, who can travel beyond the universe, who actually rebooted the universe, can not go back in time and save Rory and Amy from the Weeping Angels?

Poor Doctor :(
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Router

Hopsiah the Kanga-Jew
sturmdogg said:
Just finished "The Angels take Manhattan". Can someone explain to me how someone who can go to the ends of time, who can travel beyond the universe, who actually rebooted the universe, can not go back in time and save Rory and Amy from the Weeping Angels?

Poor Doctor :(
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From what I understand there's 2 reasons he cant mess with things...

1 - Its part of his timeline so it has to happen (but that seems to only stick when the story needs it)
2 - Its a fixed event in time so it cant be changed (Only when the story needs it too)
 
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hamchan

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sturmdogg said:
Just finished "The Angels take Manhattan". Can someone explain to me how someone who can go to the ends of time, who can travel beyond the universe, who actually rebooted the universe, can not go back in time and save Rory and Amy from the Weeping Angels?

Poor Doctor :(
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Because even the Doctor cannot best the greatest villains in the whole history of the show:

The writers.
 
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Exterminieren

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It's funny; Moffat just commented on this.
Dan asked the current showrunner why could Amy and Rory not just travel to Washington (or Boston, or anywhere for that matter) and meet The Doctor there? Had Moffat left a useful plot thread dangling to bring the beloved companions back in a couple of years? Not so, according to Moffat...

“New York would still burn. The point being, he can’t interfere. Here’s the ‘fan answer’ - this is not what you’d ever put out on BBC One, because most people watch the show and just think, ‘well there’s a gravestone so obviously he can’t visit them again’. But the ‘fan answer’ is, in normal circumstances he might have gone back and said, ‘look we’ll just put a headstone up and we’ll just write the book’. But there is so much scar tissue, and the number of paradoxes that have already been inflicted on that nexus of timelines, that it will rip apart if you try to do one more thing. He has to leave it alone. Normally he could perform some surgery, this time too much surgery has already been performed. But imagine saying that on BBC One!”
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The Real Abed

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sturmdogg said:
Just finished "The Angels take Manhattan". Can someone explain to me how someone who can go to the ends of time, who can travel beyond the universe, who actually rebooted the universe, can not go back in time and save Rory and Amy from the Weeping Angels?

Poor Doctor :(
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Time lock. Fixed point in history. Trying to change it creates a paradox that ends up repairing itself and the outcome. Rory was meant to go back. There was nothing that was going to change that. Amy just went along to be with him. It all ended up great in the end. Just like Kathy Nightingale who met her husband and still had a full life. Just 87 years earlier than she was supposed to.

It's how the Angels work.
 
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Zeppu

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The worrying part is that Rory is doomed to repeat his life for eternity and New York is completely in the control of the Angels. Amy on the other hand just dies.

Furthermore, Rory already knows that if he kills himself he creates a paradox and frees himself so he could just do that again and be wary of statues this time round.

Also, it's utter bullshit that the statue of liberty is ever not being observed and therefore can move. Not to mention that Angels stopped weeping and therefore are always looking at each other.
 
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mclem

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Kaijima said:
Still, the Doctor being forever locked out of the rest of Amy and Rory's lives is internally consistent in this instance: knowledge of their final fate is now a part of the Doctor's own personal timeline. Because he knows about it, it is part of his own past and he can't even visit them without changing his own past and causing a paradox. Or some other wibbly wobbly problem.
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Isn't his knowledge of their final fate, however, entirely from a second-hand source, a book written by a third party - who is quite capable, should they wish, of writing lies? He's *assuming* that the book is true because parts of it are.

In other words: He doesn't know what happens. He knows what the book tells him happens. Those are two different things.

(This does raise the interesting possibility that the book was written with the intent of misleading him into believing that he can never see them again)


Edit: Ah, just seen Moff's additional commentary. And had forgotten that Amy was already on a timeline where Rory's fate was established.
 
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mclem said:
Isn't his knowledge of their final fate, however, entirely from a second-hand source, a book written by a third party - who is quite capable, should they wish, of writing lies? He's *assuming* that the book is true because parts of it are.

In other words: He doesn't know what happens. He knows what the book tells him happens. Those are two different things.

(This does raise the interesting possibility that the book was written with the intent of misleading him into believing that he can never see them again)


Edit: Ah, just seen Moff's additional commentary. And had forgotten that Amy was already on a timeline where Rory's fate was established.
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The book was written by Amy, so....not third party, sadly.
 
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