PhoncipleBone
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Is The Doctor wearing lipstick there?
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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life
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Is The Doctor wearing lipstick there?
Hot Coldman
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"You would destroy the Cybermen with four Daleks?"
"We would destroy the Cybermen with one Dalek!"
Watch the video clip I posted above.
Hot Coldman
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Hell no, I'm saving myself for tomorrow evening.
infiniteloop
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Hot Coldman
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Christ he looks young there.
infiniteloop
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I like the hair/costume of Series 5, much more than 6/7.
StalkerUKCG
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Hot Coldman
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I feel like, as a community, we've decided on Fear Her.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Pavement Blowjob
I agree with this. Fear Her is extremely dull and boring, but not as bad as pavement blowjobs.
infiniteloop
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1. Fear Her
2. The Runaway Bride
3. Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks
4. Voyage of the Damned
5. The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood
6. New Earth
7. The Long Game
8. Planet of the Dead
9. Rebel Flesh/Almost People
10. The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe
StalkerUKCG
Banned
I feel Pavement Blowjob has at least a few redeeming features. Its got some mild funny moments and some decent actors. Fear her is garbage from the first moment to the last.
Bobby Roberts
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Rebel Flesh/Almost People is a pretty decent two-parter, I thought. I liked it, at least.
Doctor, Widow, Wardrobe was maudlin-ish, but it was a Christmas Episode. Middle of the pack stuff at worst.
Doctor, Widow, Wardrobe was maudlin-ish, but it was a Christmas Episode. Middle of the pack stuff at worst.
Coward.
I like it the other way around.I like the hair/costume of Series 5, much more than 6/7.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Whoa what? I thought it was mediocre on first viewing, but went back and watched it and thought it was really good. Gave off some strong classic Who vibes
EleventhDoctor
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The Flesh 2 parter is good-just too long and drawn out.
I hate Wardrobe though. A real disappointment.
I like the Doctors season 5 tweed look the most. He looks like a cool professor. He's veering into Willie Wonka territory lately.
Exterminieren
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For me, the worst, most deflating episode of New Who has to be The Beast Below.
To go from The Eleventh Hour to that...
To go from The Eleventh Hour to that...
Hot Coldman
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The Last of the Time Lords has earned a place of everyone's Turd Ten lists, I would have thought.
For me, the worst, most deflating episode of New Who has to be The Beast Below.
To go from The Eleventh Hour to that...
I thought Beast Below was pretty good actually.
Box of Bunnies
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I guess I'd have to agree with Fear Her being the worst? I really don't remember much about it to be honest, apart from the Olympics. Is it the one where the Doctor has that dinky scooter?
Last of the Time Lords is more disappointing than terrible, after the amazing setup. More than anything it's just kinda doofy.
I'm one of the few that actually kinda liked Love & Monsters. It's got its iffy bits but I thought it was mostly a fun romp exploring how the Doctor's passing through can affect people.
Last of the Time Lords is more disappointing than terrible, after the amazing setup. More than anything it's just kinda doofy.
I'm one of the few that actually kinda liked Love & Monsters. It's got its iffy bits but I thought it was mostly a fun romp exploring how the Doctor's passing through can affect people.
Since I was going to say basically the same thing, I'll just quote an old Stump post where he goes over some of the interesting themes in Beast Below:
EleventhDoctor
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The only thing I don't like about Beast Below is The Smilers.
Too lazy to make my own list so I'll just chop off everything that I don't think is actually terrible from infiniteloop's list and leave it at that. Yes, I'm removing Fear Her. It's mediocre and forgettable at worst, never understood the outright hate. Unless it's just about the olympics things, which I don't really care about (I'm likewise not bothered by the TomTom joke in the recent episode).
There are probably others I hate, but like I said I'm lazy.
There are probably others I hate, but like I said I'm lazy.
infiniteloop
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I like Series 6 a lot and this always sticks out as the worst story, will have a re-watch soon.
Exterminieren
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Not mine. It's better than Journey's End or The End of Time right off.
Bobby Roberts
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Daleks in Manhattan is the terriblest. It is so, so, so bad.
Almost as bad as Spider-Man's southern accent.
Almost as bad as Spider-Man's southern accent.
Yeah the awful accents are a big part of why it's so bad, but on top of that I just can't take the "I AM A HUMAN DALEK!" moment seriously at all. And the set design looks like a Lady GaGa music video.
Hot Coldman
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Fuck no it's not better than Journey's End! Journey's End "oh hey here's the self-destruct button!" conclusion sucked but it's not outright offensive.
End of Time has bits that are pretty neat. Mostly involving Wilf, like. And Matt's first scene! That's worth something.
Yeah, it's probably worse.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
What was cool about them?
The junkyard chase sequence, briefly interrupted by a gaggle of old people led by Wilf and a nice little break in a coffee shop, is one of the most hilariously badly thought out plot progressions in Who history I think. At least since that scene where the Doctor dangles off a ledge for no reason (yes I know the reason was cut out).
Hot Coldman
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I mostly like the scene with him and Wilf in the cafe.
I feel like I need to watch that again. I know it sucks but I've mostly forgotten why, beyond everything the Master does.
Don't get me wrong, it's a good scene. It's just that NOTHING ELSE that happens in that episode makes an ounce of sense. And it switches on a dime from frantic to silly to serious and back again.
The sad thing is that other Doctor Who stories have done human Daleks waaay better. Like Revelation and Asylum. I'm sure there's others but those are two off the top of my head.
Manhattan's human Dalek was insanely stupid.
Also, the leader of the bums is named Solomon, and his first scene involves breaking bread in half for two people to share. Helen Raynor has all the subtly of a chainsaw-wielding pirate gator.
And hey, let's throw in a musical number for no reason! Because that's why people watch Doctor Who.
Fear Her was also dreadful. It's funny how 5 years later, a middle-of-the-road episode has a similar premise and manages to be 1000 times better.
Exterminieren
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The Stolen Earth was stunning. Clear threat, ramping consequences, GREAT Davros, Harriet Jones, THAT cliffhanger, the works. Fantastic.
Journey's End, on the other hand, is an absolute mess.
Hey, don't knock it. My Angel Put The Devil In Me was the best part of that two-parter.
<3 Murray Gold.
Jex
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Hot Coldman
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Human Dalek plot could have worked. Not easily, but it could have. Setting it in 1930s New York was some of the dumbest handicapping I've ever seen in a TV show, though.
I'm glad the Daleks are back to full power now, anyway. Fitting.
I'm glad the Daleks are back to full power now, anyway. Fitting.
APZonerunner
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Going to go a bit deeper on this debate:
Bad episodes that get a pass for me for various reasons:
Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks
I really, really, really adore the way the cult breaks down and the others betray and eventually kill Sec. The scene where the two Daleks literally 'huddle up' to talk shit about Sec is amazing. I maintain that the way they act in this story is ultimately the most callous and downright evil we've seen them in all of New Who. It's a really different Dalek story, and the themeatic arc for the Daleks as a race in the story is brilliant. There's also some strong moments peppered throughout; the bit where the Doctor is so desperate he lets the lightning strike travel through him is a nice moment of recklessness from him, and the 'showdown' where he screams at them to kill him is great. That hybrid prosthetic isn't bad either, I don't think - I remember being impressed (at the time) with the level of expressiveness, especially in the aforementioned scene when Sec reacts to hearing the death of the black guy. Shame about the rest.
The Dalek stuff makes me give it a pass, though. The setting (and the pig men) really fucking kneecap the story, and the non-Dalek guest cast of the week are a bunch of boring one-note characters. Imagine that story if the stupid pig men had been the Dalek puppets from Asylum, and if it'd been set elsewhere? Instantly better!
The Beast Below
Just because of Smith's performance. Really fantastic. Episode itself is a bit of a damp squib. Overall concept of the story is great, too, if underdeveloped.
New Earth
Bit basic and cookie-cutter, but the body swap stuff is hammy in a good way; Piper and Tennant really make the most of it.
Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords
I maintain that both these episodes are pretty great up until the conclusion of the threat. We could've done without the terrible old CGI Doctor as well, to be honest. A bit like Mass Effect 3 for me, a shitty poorly-telegraphed conclusion can't poo on the really good ideas at the foundation completely... it just makes them smell a bit.
As an aside - I really like Voyage of the Damned. It's not in my top ten or anything, but I like it. Like a lot of the episodes that get people's backs up it isn't really a 'proper' episode of Doctor Who, but it does what it needs to and really nails that "the BBC didn't have a big Hollywood movie TV premiere this year, so WE DID IT INSTEAD" vibe. Brave episode, I feel.
- Fear Her (genuinely shit)
- The Long Game (the worst offender for lack of money showing)
- The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood (just boring)
- Victory of the Daleks (making the Daleks boring is an impressive task)
- Planet of the Dead (zzzzzzzz)
Bad episodes that get a pass for me for various reasons:
Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks
I really, really, really adore the way the cult breaks down and the others betray and eventually kill Sec. The scene where the two Daleks literally 'huddle up' to talk shit about Sec is amazing. I maintain that the way they act in this story is ultimately the most callous and downright evil we've seen them in all of New Who. It's a really different Dalek story, and the themeatic arc for the Daleks as a race in the story is brilliant. There's also some strong moments peppered throughout; the bit where the Doctor is so desperate he lets the lightning strike travel through him is a nice moment of recklessness from him, and the 'showdown' where he screams at them to kill him is great. That hybrid prosthetic isn't bad either, I don't think - I remember being impressed (at the time) with the level of expressiveness, especially in the aforementioned scene when Sec reacts to hearing the death of the black guy. Shame about the rest.
The Dalek stuff makes me give it a pass, though. The setting (and the pig men) really fucking kneecap the story, and the non-Dalek guest cast of the week are a bunch of boring one-note characters. Imagine that story if the stupid pig men had been the Dalek puppets from Asylum, and if it'd been set elsewhere? Instantly better!
The Beast Below
Just because of Smith's performance. Really fantastic. Episode itself is a bit of a damp squib. Overall concept of the story is great, too, if underdeveloped.
New Earth
Bit basic and cookie-cutter, but the body swap stuff is hammy in a good way; Piper and Tennant really make the most of it.
Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords
I maintain that both these episodes are pretty great up until the conclusion of the threat. We could've done without the terrible old CGI Doctor as well, to be honest. A bit like Mass Effect 3 for me, a shitty poorly-telegraphed conclusion can't poo on the really good ideas at the foundation completely... it just makes them smell a bit.
As an aside - I really like Voyage of the Damned. It's not in my top ten or anything, but I like it. Like a lot of the episodes that get people's backs up it isn't really a 'proper' episode of Doctor Who, but it does what it needs to and really nails that "the BBC didn't have a big Hollywood movie TV premiere this year, so WE DID IT INSTEAD" vibe. Brave episode, I feel.
Hot Coldman
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The Silurian episode isn't just boring, it's full of horrible, stupid human characters making awful decisions. The Rebel Flesh/Almost People does a plot about paranoia so much better, if only because it remembers to include the Doctor and Amy into that theme.
I liked the other part of the episode, but my god the characters were all fucking brain dead.
Ventilaator
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Finally started this season.
Speaking of bad episodes, what exactly was supposed to be so offensively horrible about The Rings of Akhaten? I heard so many awful things about it, but calling it my favourite episode so far (Haven't yet seen Crimson Horror) seems about right.
Sure, the leaf thing was kind of bleh, but if you've gotten this far with the show, you should be pretty used to endings to things being bad.
I still have the songs in my head.
Speaking of bad episodes, what exactly was supposed to be so offensively horrible about The Rings of Akhaten? I heard so many awful things about it, but calling it my favourite episode so far (Haven't yet seen Crimson Horror) seems about right.
Sure, the leaf thing was kind of bleh, but if you've gotten this far with the show, you should be pretty used to endings to things being bad.
I still have the songs in my head.
infiniteloop
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The singing was boring and repetitive.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Oooh, worst episodes, hmmm...
Wedding of River Song
This entire episode is just messy. The writing is barely coherent through much of it. Its the ultimate example of "wibbly wobbly" being used in the most arbitrary of ways ("oh time has broken and that means we get to have Churchill riding a Dinosaur"), both the resolution of the "wedding" and the Doctor's death in general were just bad. Not disappointing, mind you, I've had a lot of time to think on this, and even beyond my disappointment this episode is just bad
Love and Monsters
Duh
Hungry Earth/Cold Blood
Dull. Dull dull dull. Boring. I actually didn't even bother watching the second half for the longest time, I had to look up what happened to Rory on Wikipedia.
Actually, I'm mostly just stating what others have said. Here's a question: what do you consider the most mediocre episodes? The ones you barely remember? After looking at the episode lists the two that stick out are
The Sontaran Strategem/Poison Sky
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The Curse of the Black Spot
Seriously, nothing screams filler episode to me quite like Curse
Wedding of River Song
This entire episode is just messy. The writing is barely coherent through much of it. Its the ultimate example of "wibbly wobbly" being used in the most arbitrary of ways ("oh time has broken and that means we get to have Churchill riding a Dinosaur"), both the resolution of the "wedding" and the Doctor's death in general were just bad. Not disappointing, mind you, I've had a lot of time to think on this, and even beyond my disappointment this episode is just bad
Love and Monsters
Duh
Hungry Earth/Cold Blood
Dull. Dull dull dull. Boring. I actually didn't even bother watching the second half for the longest time, I had to look up what happened to Rory on Wikipedia.
Actually, I'm mostly just stating what others have said. Here's a question: what do you consider the most mediocre episodes? The ones you barely remember? After looking at the episode lists the two that stick out are
The Sontaran Strategem/Poison Sky
and
The Curse of the Black Spot
Seriously, nothing screams filler episode to me quite like Curse
Exterminieren
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Rings had one absolutely top-drawer scene of Smith and Coleman confronting the planet with the awesome Last Song playing in the background.
Unfortunately, the rest of the episode was a load of talky, cheap drivel.
As for mediocre, I love the Sontaran two-parter simply because I love the Sontaran performers, so that one's out... has to be 42 for me.
Unfortunately, the rest of the episode was a load of talky, cheap drivel.
As for mediocre, I love the Sontaran two-parter simply because I love the Sontaran performers, so that one's out... has to be 42 for me.
equippedwithtowel
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90% of why I hate the episode right there.
The pacing was all over the place and the direction was pretty limp and unnecessarily stagey as well.
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