Hot Coldman
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what happens if the next Doctor is genuinely shit
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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life
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He compares his way of doing something to the way a writer on something like "Primeval" might do something, since that was on at the time, and says 'you might think I'm wrong, but the shows that would do it the other way are getting way worse viewing figures and audience appreciation.'
He doesn't extend his analysis to the Books of Saxon scene, but using his own logic, you could have a scene earlier on where what The Books of Saxon are and what they can do is explained. And then when you see them, it fits the explanation you've been previously given. But instead you hear of them for the first time when they're actually being used and doing something. What they are and what they can do is blindingly obvious from what you're actually seeing them do right there in front of you. His entire plotting style would say that having a scene earlier on that sets up these powers would add absolutely nothing. The scene where you see them bringing the Master back already contains all this information.
I think this is why I find his episodes so thrilling to actually watch. There is almost no 'something interesting involving this object or idea will be happening later' - it's all happening right now.
Wait it out until the next one. That's what I'd do
Bobby Roberts
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They can him after 2 series like Colin Baker.
Napoleonthechimp
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I wasn't around for the transition to Smith, but, really? Is it going to be that bad?
PhoncipleBone
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Smith starts regenerating. He stands there crossing his fingers and chants "Please be ginger. Please be ginger."
One of two outcomes.
1) regenerates as a ginger. Screams "Yes!"
2) is not ginger. Screams "No!"
One of two outcomes.
1) regenerates as a ginger. Screams "Yes!"
2) is not ginger. Screams "No!"
It's still pretty bad.
Eteric Rice
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Yeah, it's harder for newer fans to deal with the departure of the Doctor. But, it's a part of the character that you get used to. So while it's sad to see the Doctor regenerate, it's always interesting to see what he becomes next.
Some people, though, get caught up on one version of the character.
Some people, though, get caught up on one version of the character.
Hot Coldman
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People who've been with the show since S1 (2005, not 1963) should never have that problem. Eccleston was amazing, but 13 episodes isn't enough to grip on tight to a Doctor and refuse to let him go. So I'm never going to be shitty about a Doctor leaving.
Matt's my favourite so far, but I gladly welcome his successor.
Matt's my favourite so far, but I gladly welcome his successor.
I completely agree with him, and is a changing of the Chekhov's gun concept. It livens things up at least to have got a change from "Oh we have a Frog removing underwear launcher here, we'll never need that" or something in Act 1, to being invaded by frogs and buxom ladies in Act 3 that can only be defeated by a Frog Removing underwear launcher". More likely, it would be a 'Fox Including Underwear Superglue machine' thats had its polarity reversed to become a Frog removing underwear launcher. For that he gets at least some credit.
Exterminieren
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He (or she) would be the first.
And thats the true amazing beauty of Who - even in the shittiest of runs, ill thoughtout themes, writing techniques and episodes that I've hated, every single actor who has taken the role has brought something to the table to enjoy. Thats very impressive.
That's why this argument from fans or perhaps moreso the media about 'Oooh we want a Black / Female / whatever' Doctor is insane. Just get someone who crucially above all else respects the role despite it's hokey origins and sometimes dabbling with the eye-rolling and we'll be good to go on.
Napoleonthechimp
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I completely agree with him, and is a changing of the Chekhov's gun concept. It livens things up at least to have got a change from "Oh we have a Frog removing underwear launcher here, we'll never need that" or something in Act 1, to being invaded by frogs and buxom ladies in Act 3 that can only be defeated by a Frog Removing underwear launcher". More likely, it would be a 'Fox Including Underwear Superglue machine' thats had its polarity reversed to become a Frog removing underwear launcher. For that he gets at least some credit.
I disagree with his opinion that other writers would foreshadow the Tardis paradox machine. Having the doctor stumble on it is purposefully written in such a way as to give it more impact. There is often very little purpose in RTD's writing.
For example RTD used deus ex machina devices like they were going out of fashion. You don't need to foreshadow those things but at least write it in a better way that shows thought has been into it.
peanutbutterlatte
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Two extremes, both wrong!
Well it's either that we'll find him shit personally, and most will love him, like a few didn't like Smith. Or it's that he'll be universally accepted as awful, and a regeneration won't be more than a series away.
User 100115
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I will miss Matt. I will mourn his loss, and if my pattern holds out, complain about the new guy...for a few episodes. "This guy? Seriously? What?! Look at that *weird thing about him*! And the way he *something he does that Matt didn't*! Why the hell would they pick this guy?!"
And then I will totally fall in love with him and his doctor and mourn his loss in a few year, and repeat the cycle...
And then I will totally fall in love with him and his doctor and mourn his loss in a few year, and repeat the cycle...
WanderingWind
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What if it's the guy in your avatar? What then, huh?
Cross-posting from other thread:
I really hope the rumours about damien molony are true - he was enrapturing in the UK version of being human, in a very similar role to the doctor actually (dark mysterious demeanor masked with levity and social awkwardness). He has the range as well as the charisma
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqZ-2XECSoo
Anyone but russell tovey or Chiwetel Ejiofor please.
I really hope the rumours about damien molony are true - he was enrapturing in the UK version of being human, in a very similar role to the doctor actually (dark mysterious demeanor masked with levity and social awkwardness). He has the range as well as the charisma
It's too perfect to happen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqZ-2XECSoo
Anyone but russell tovey or Chiwetel Ejiofor please.
Please no
He'd be excellent, but in reality he's too big for it now.
peanutbutterlatte
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Huh. Molony certainly looks the part. Might have to watch something with him in. Yeah, Russell Tovey would be a dealbreaker. Not a dealbreaker, but c'mon. He doesn't have charisma.
That video doesn't encompass his full range but its the best I could find, he's in the fourth and fifth seasons of being human (which were incidentally the best) but you could probably start from the fourth rather than watching the first three as it constituted a reboot of sorts with a completely new arc.
GameplayWhore
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What's the over/under on his last words being "Geronimo!"? I thought they kind of dropped that as a recurring thing, but we've seen him say it once or twice recently.
That 'batch you're all gabbing about? My face-memory is astoundingly poor, but that's the assumption I'm making here.
I think he has an incredibly compelling presence, but he kind of always plays the exact same character*, as fantastic as that character is. It's Patrick Stewart Syndrome (or, if you're older, Seanconneritis I suppose) all over again. After watching STID, my mum noted that she saw some other movie with him in it, and he was "just as devoid of emotion there".
If he signed onboard for the Doctor, he'd have to genuinely play a substantially different personality than he normally does. Doesn't have to be a wacky crazy clone of Tennant/Smith, but he can't be "I hide my sea of subtle but powerful emotions behind my incredible brilliance" again.
Unless he's the Valeyard
* this is my informed opinion after watching him play all of two characters. Hooray, a sample set of two is statistically valid, right?
Napoleonthechimp
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Russell Tovey? What the hell are you guys smoking?
Exterminieren
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He was RTD's pick for Eleven.
User 100115
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I adore him. I would watch anything with him in it.
But he's not the Doctor. He's more Master material. If anyone from that show could pull off the Doctor, it'd be Freeman.
The Elite
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RTD has a love-on for the guy. If RTD came back, I'm sure Tovey would get the call.
Napoleonthechimp
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lol
That says it all really.
Damien Molony is the only half-way decent suggestion I've seen in this thread.
Let's hope it's not. It always seemed really stupid to me. May as well be shouting "Cowabunga!"
KuwabaraTheMan
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Molony would be great, but he's so young. I'd rather have him a few years down the line. We're just wrapping up the youngest Doctor ever; we really don't need another actor who would be younger than 30 when he would start filming.
Exterminieren
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I totally, totally bought that he was a centuries-old vampire on Being Human. Even more than Smith, Molony can pull off that older than he looks feel easier than breathing.
KuwabaraTheMan
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I agree with that (and he was incredible on Being Human), I just feel like casting another young pretty boy in the role right after Smith wouldn't be enough of a shift. I'd rather see someone closer to 40 and not really such a pretty boy. I think it's generally good with the Doctor to go in a very different direction (both in appearance and type of actor) between incarnations. It would also help in not having so many obvious comparisons between the actors if they go in a completely new direction (like replacing Tom Baker with Peter Davison).
Trying to say this in the nicest way possible, but I don't particularly remember people calling Smith a pretty boy when he was first cast.
brucewaynegretzky
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If we have to get another young guy from Being Human can we get Aidan Turner? I really liked him for some reason...
Incendiary
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I hope it's an unknown. And very very different to the last 3.
I'm fairly certain this is going to be the case. Matt Smith as a choice was out of left field, so I think Moffat will likely do the same and pick somebody relatively unknown in the popular medium.
I think a lot of people thought Matt Smith was weird-looking and alien and "too emo" when the first promo pics of him came out, especially since a lot of the fans were comparing him to David Tennant who is way more pretty boy. It wasn't until he was established as the Doctor that the girls started fawning over him as a pretty boy.
Also, I doubt we're going to get somebody terribly older since Moffat likes to do his awkward flirting between the Doctor and his companion.
lol yeah, if anything, it was the opposite. Nonstop chin jokes in the show, and this is what Moffat had to say about him:
I think one of the glories of Doctor Who is that its an extremely funny show. One of the first things we wanted to do when we chose a new Doctor, was make sure he was funny. Its just a tremendous benefit that he happened to be a bit ugly!
A female Doctor would come off as a gimmick, and this is my feeling on it.
The Doctor was male on Gallifrey, there is no reason for him to regenerate as anything else as more than a story for gimmick purposes.
Anything more would not be the Doctor.
Make another character, make something else but having the Doctor regen as a female is something that is stunt writing at its worst.
We need something to replace Sarah Jane adventures, hell we need something to replace Torchwood.
A spinoff is past due. There is plenty of room for something female fronted.
Worthintendo
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Will require a writer the likes of which has not been seen yet.
(Well there is one... that has not done more than one episode per each of the last two seasons)
I can see this inuring to his detriment, yeah - though Moffat had originally intended to cast someone older in the role of the 11th doctor, but couldn't find anyone better than Matt, so we just have to hold out hope that the team will choose the best candidate again irrespective of age / race / (gender?) (though I'm a little dubious that danny cohen of all people has a say in the casting process)
The Real Abed
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Tennant was the best one! Bring back David Tennant!
Kinda sorta serious but not really but yeah. Except he had a lot of stinkers so...
If they go back to tennant, and he leaves again - where do they go from there? It'd be an admission that his incarnation is bigger than the show and would be the final nail in the coffin for the revived format.
The Real Abed
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'Twas a joke. And I had that same exact thought. I actually have a friend who posted stuff like that on his FaceBook as if these people don't really understand how the show works. These actors don't just get kicked off, they usually leave on their own terms because they're done being the character.
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