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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life

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APZonerunner

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RIP comic con exclusives struck down by Moffat before their time

lol youtube comments: "GREAT JOB YOU IDIOT ! Moffat said that if ONE video goes on youtube, the BBC will not release any trailer at the comic con anymore"
 
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maharg

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Oh no, the people who go to comic con might not get early access to something in the future! This is an end of the world event! All Doctor Who fans must unite in denouncing the cruel and vicious people who would let them see something awesome! It's in their own best interests!

(Secrets like this only work if people feel good about keeping them)
 
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maharg said:
(Secrets like this only work if people feel good about keeping them)
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Exactly this, really.

Look at the Clara reveal in Asylum of the Daleks. People were asked nicely to keep the secret, and did so to preserve the surprise for others. This time, though, people are being blackmailed, and I reckon it's far more likely to leak as a result.
 
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PlanetSmasher

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APZonerunner said:
It all basically hinges on the next month, really. Christmas starts filming in August. At that point we'll either see Matt out on location in costume at least once during the month or not. If it turns out not, we're probably on. If they keep filming indoors, it'd surprise me - unless Moffat has a reason to write an entirely studio-bound episode.

It could be studio bound and not be - Voyage of the Damned was entirely studio but for 2 scenes, after all (written that way because RTD was upset about how obviously summer it was in outdoor scenes in The Runaway Bride) - but given the types of Christmas stories Moffat seems to like to write compared to RTD, I doubt he'd do an entirely studio episode without reason.

I think there's a fair chance of Matt being gone in November. I think the really cool thing they could do is gravely injure him during that episode, have a cliffhanger ending throw him into an unavoidable conflict at Christmas (since it's only a month to wait, a cliffhanger into Christmas isn't negative) and either fighting his way through it or popping midway through. All this would require 12 to be cast now, and that's a hell of a secret to keep - but it's far easier to keep the secret of one guy knowing he has the job and not telling anyone but his close family than it is to keep the secret of casting going on, where tons of agents, agencies, casting directors and actors are in the loop.

What is clear is that they're filming in the next 2-3 weeks and Matt's hair is still super short... and I just can't imagine them making his last appearance without his iconic hair. Unless they get a wig... but then Matt said he wouldn't use a wig, didn't he, because it wasn't real enough? Right after he first shaved it?
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That's kind of the thing for me. Matt's hair still being short, combined with that "farewell" video he put out a few days ago, makes me think he may have already finished his filming for the series. If that's the case, he may either die during the 50th or he may have already shot a very small snippet of the Christmas special and leave the rest of it to Twelve.

If he regenerates in the TARDIS, as most Doctors do, they wouldn't necessarily have to film the new actor's scenes at the same time as Smith's exit. Especially since they just redesigned the TARDIS set recently, so they won't have Smith blow it up like Tennant did when he died. This would leave them plenty of time to make a casting decision while simultaneously getting Smith's obligations out of the way while everybody is paying attention to Tennant instead.
 
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PlanetSmasher said:
That's kind of the thing for me. Matt's hair still being short, combined with that "farewell" video he put out a few days ago, makes me think he may have already finished his filming for the series. If that's the case, he may either die during the 50th or he may have already shot a very small snippet of the Christmas special and leave the rest of it to Twelve.

If he regenerates in the TARDIS, as most Doctors do, they wouldn't necessarily have to film the new actor's scenes at the same time as Smith's exit. Especially since they just redesigned the TARDIS set recently, so they won't have Smith blow it up like Tennant did when he died. This would leave them plenty of time to make a casting decision while simultaneously getting Smith's obligations out of the way while everybody is paying attention to Tennant instead.
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His regeneration will probably be pretty standard. The Tennant one went that way because they didn't need that set any more, and they actually had a plot reason too, in that the massive explosion was due to the radiation he'd absorbed being burned/burst from his body. Matt screaming his way in was scripted, as well, because it was meant to be a particularly painful change.
 
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Man, fuck Moffat then. I'm kind of shocked I can't see it yet. Not everyone in that hall is going to listen, and screw him for thinking he can blackmail the rest of us.

Call this asshole's bluff people!
 
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PlanetSmasher

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APZonerunner said:
His regeneration will probably be pretty standard. The Tennant one went that way because they didn't need that set any more, and they actually had a plot reason too, in that the massive explosion was due to the radiation he'd absorbed being burned/burst from his body. Matt screaming his way in was scripted, as well, because it was meant to be a particularly painful change.
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Yeah, I had assumed that was the case as well. Eccleston's regeneration was far less destructive by comparison, so they could've easily filmed Smith's death already and just save Twelve's half of it for when they make the casting decision.
 
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I've been gone all day, and only just got back and watched the Adventures of Space and Time cam video. This was one of the comments:

GREAT JOB YOU IDIOT ! Moffat said that if ONE video goes on youtube, the BBC will not release any trailer at the comic con anymore
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Did Moffat threaten them, or something?
 
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I don't like threats. It's a dick thing to do to a fanbase.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if enough people took offence to that and just leaked the trailer to multiple places. Just let it flood.
 
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maharg said:
Of the top of my head... 5->6, 6->7, and 10->11 were in the tardis. I don't think any of the others were.
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PlanetSmasher said:
9-10 was also in the TARDIS.
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Also 1->2 and I guess 2->3 happened in TARDIS as well but was never shown all we had was Pertwee stumbling out of the TARDIS at the start of his run.

So its only been 3->4, 4->5 & 7->8 that have happened outside of the big blue box and of course 8->9/Not Doctor Jon Hurt which we don't know about yet.
 
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maharg

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Worthintendo said:
Also 1->2 and I guess 2->3 happened in TARDIS as well but was never shown all we had was Pertwee stumbling out of the TARDIS at the start of his run.
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1->2 seems to be correct, but I disagree on 2->3. We see him begin his regeneration in the 'courtroom' on Gallifrey. No reason to believe any of it happens in the TARDIS.

Anyways I still think most is a bit strong even if it does balance just slightly towards it. Certainly not a solid enough trend to predict on.
 
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maharg said:
1->2 seems to be correct, but I disagree on 2->3. We see him begin his regeneration in the 'courtroom' on Gallifrey. No reason to believe any of it happens in the TARDIS.

Anyways I still think most is a bit strong even if it does balance just slightly towards it. Certainly not a solid enough trend to predict on.
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To be fair, all the doctors of New Who so far have regenerated on the TARDIS. Not that it really matters, but that could be why people think it will happen again. Though both regeneration episodes were written by RTD and not Moffat.
 
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JonathanEx

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It's probably the most practical way anyway. It's a set it'll be possible to film with a skeleton crew on, and it's always there so if the two halves of it aren't shot together they can get away with it.
 
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Trike

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JonathanEx said:
It's probably the most practical way anyway. It's a set it'll be possible to film with a skeleton crew on, and it's always there so if the two halves of it aren't shot together they can get away with it.
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Why would they need a skeleton crew? They are going to announce who the Twelfth is before they even start filming.
 
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Trike said:
Why would they need a skeleton crew? They are going to announce who the Twelfth is before they even start filming.
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Keep circumstances of the story secret, more comfortable on set so that everyone doesn't decide to come in on the one day just to have a peek? It's more an option than a necessity, true.
 
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Good.

Now someone just needs to release the 50th trailer that we've read every single detail about but can't watch because reasons.

io9 are saying that Moffatt was pretty adamant the trailer would never be released online. Jesus.
 
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What a miserable showrunner Moff shaped up to be, what a shame. Recycled plotlines, paper-thin characterisation and cuntistry instead of PR that treat the fans like four year-old children. Who do we think is next, and do they have a track record of being a dick?
 
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Is always the same shit. We have to watch a shit quality version of trailer because they don´t release the thing to the public.
 
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Batigol

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When is Moffat going away anyway? If Smith is going, I'd want Moffat to go too. Just a fresh start in everything. He's ran his course now.

Kinda over his shit now
 
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Batigol said:
When is Moffat going away anyway? If Smith is going, I'd want Moffat to go too. Just a fresh start in everything. He's ran his course now.

Kinda over his shit now
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For a while it was sounding very much as "after series 8" but I'm struggling to believe he'll establish a new Doctor and then go straight away, unless he's working with his successor on casting & characterisation or unless they've decided to do an Eccleston-style one-shot Doctor.
 
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I am conflicted about Moffat. On one hand, he obviously means well, and loves Doctor Who, but on the other hand, it is also clear that he is almost crumbling under pressure.

I just hope that his departure will be peaceful, not the kind of "you cant do this anymore, Stephen 'Fat" type of forced exit. I am just not sure if he even has the energy to actively spend time looking for replacements instead of struggling to prove to his haters that his threads DO get together after a few seasons (and either failing or succeeding at it, depending on how one views The Name of the Doctor, for example.)
 
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APZonerunner said:
He's a great writer. He's a deeply flawed show runner. Polar opposite of RTD.
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I'm not sure about RTD being a bad writer. I think Moffat and RTD excel in different areas. RTD was a much better character writer. His dialogue was always excellent, and when he focused on small set-pieces involving a few characters and large numbers of dialogue (eg, Midnight) the result was always excellent. On the other hand, he couldn't construct a coherent narrative for shit. Moffat can construct excellent narratives (within the constraints that Doctor Who's filming places on him), but he can't write decent dialogue or characters for shit, as shown by Amy in the A Good Man Goes to War.
 
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