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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life

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I think so too, and also the perfect way to introduce anyone to the show based on my anecdotal evidence. It's honestly flabbergasting to read he thinks it's not what Doctor Who is supposed to be (unless he was speaking from a production standpoint?).
 
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He's literally talking about an entirely fresh start - new Doctor, new companion, new everything. He was saying he thinks there needs to be some carry over, and that's why he's glad he has Clara, Jenny, Strax and Vastra this time around. I really took it to mean that when Moffat chooses to go he'll coordinate with his successor more to ensure it doesn't happen again.

He did also say he's most proud of the Eleventh Hour because he actually managed it, mind.

Regarding the River quote, he does say he's "happy with how it ends" in Name of the Doctor, but that doesn't mean anything necessarily, I think. He said before we'd never see a version of her post-Library, and then we got one - but it's interesting that he hasn't ruled her out and will consider it on a story-to-story basis, unlike Amy and Rory, who he said are categorically gone forever and ever.

I don't think she'll show up in the coming series, but I think if Moffat sticks around for series 9 he might not be able to resist showing her with 12, to be honest. Maybe for his last ever episode.
 
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APZonerunner said:
I don't think she'll show up in the coming series, but I think if Moffat sticks around for series 9 he might not be able to resist showing her with 12, to be honest. Maybe for his last ever episode.
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Having one final episode where River Song doesn't know who the Doctor is seems like the most logical bookend to that character's arc and would tie up a loose end that any new show runner wouldn't have to inherit.
 
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tuffy said:
Having one final episode where River Song doesn't know who the Doctor is seems like the most logical bookend to that character's arc and would tie up a loose end that any new show runner wouldn't have to inherit.
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What about Let's Kill Hitler? That shows River's beginning.
 
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Patryn said:
What about Let's Kill Hitler? That shows River's beginning.
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I was thinking of possibly some sort of pre-Mels River Song regeneration, sometime after Day of the Moon but before being captured and trained to kill the Doctor in Let's Kill Hitler. Some sort of definitive first meeting to wrap up the arc.
 
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What about Let's Kill Hitler? That shows River's beginning.
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Yeah, we've seen the beginning and the end, we have to have the awkward middle. You don't even get to see reforming psychopath River, as it's heavily implied the first time she sees The Doctor post LKH is when she's in the suit.
 
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Info about the Scream of the Shalka DVD:

Doctor Who’s first, official foray into full-length animation, Scream of the Shalka stars Richard E. Grant as an alternative incarnation of the Doctor and intended as an extension of the TV series. Made in 2003, its online broadcast coincided with the news that Doctor Who was returning to television in the form of Christopher Eccleston. As a result, Shalka remains a unique curiosity…
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http://www.doctorwho.tv/whats-new/article/scream-of-the-shalka-dvd-contents-and-cover-announced
 
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Where can I bet that it'll be someone no one ever even thought of, if not someone no one even heard of. Because that seems like a pretty safe bet to me, but the whole world seems to think it's impossible.
 
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maharg said:
Where can I bet that it'll be someone no one ever even thought of, if not someone no one even heard of. Because that seems like a pretty safe bet to me, but the whole world seems to think it's impossible.
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It happened with Smith, it's what's basically going to happen this time. The newspaper rumors, bookies wagers and "insider rumors" happen every single time. They are never, ever right.

Capaldi would be interesting I guess.
 
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MasterBalls said:
It happened with Smith, it's what's basically going to happen this time. The newspaper rumors, bookies wagers and "insider rumors" happen every single time. They are never, ever right.

Capaldi would be interesting I guess.
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They were uniformly spot on with Tennant, though.

Eccleston's name was knocking about well before he was announced, too. Smith is an anomaly thanks to the size of the punt that Moffat took on this unknown actor and his faith that he would pull it off, not the hard and fast standard.
 
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Exterminieren said:
They were uniformly spot on with Tennant, though.

Eccleston's name was knocking about well before he was announced, too. Smith is an anomaly thanks to the size of the punt that Moffat took on this unknown actor and his faith that he would pull it off, not the hard and fast standard.
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I guess, I just don't put too much stock in it this time round when "Regenerates back into David Tennant" was fairly high up on the odds list.
 
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If we're talking old Confidentials, one a lot of people may not have seen is this one, aired the week of Blink. Because Blink wasn't a 'normal' episode, this is directed and written BY Tennant, and focuses on him interviewing people involved with the series and TV in general about their memories of watching Doctor Who as a child. Features tons of Moffat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va7PMLTIQkM

Best episode they ever did.
 
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APZonerunner said:
If we're talking old Confidentials, one a lot of people may not have seen is this one, aired the week of Blink. Because Blink wasn't a 'normal' episode, this is directed and written BY Tennant, and focuses on him interviewing people involved with the series and TV in general about their memories of watching Doctor Who as a child. Features tons of Moffat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va7PMLTIQkM

Best episode they ever did.
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yeah, I really loved this one.
 
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Snytbaggen said:
Didn't recognize the name, so I looked him up on IMDB. Apparently he played "W.H.O. Doctor" in World War Z. I thought it was an amusing coincidence.
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Is this sort of like when Colin Baker was in a few episodes during Peter Davidson's run, because his character, John Frobisher shot and killed his family and himself during Children of Earth?
 
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We used to play Doctor Who Confidential bingo. Like, you'd get points for "shoehorned pop song pun based montage" "Danny has a rig/cannon" "Someone talks through a scene you just watched while the scene happens not adding context but just describing it"
 
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There's probably no chance of this actually happening, but it would be the greatest thing ever. Daleks and Cybermen would flee in terror at the sight of Malcolm Tucker's bollocking face.
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I'm part of the problem. I hear "Malcolm Tucker" and keep thinking "Star Trek: Enterprise". :|


I'm on board with this guy, though. When I see pictures of him, my first thought is "Yep, he's the Doctor". Reasoning? He looks off kilter and slightly weird but still substantially different from every previous Doctor. That last part is really important in my checklist. I need the variety in presentation to help me accept each new Doctor.


Wait, wait, wait, hold the phone, Sledge Hammer is still acting? I'm going to have to check out this "In the Loop" movie.
 
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GameplayWhore said:
Wait, wait, wait, hold the phone, Sledge Hammer is still acting? I'm going to have to check out this "In the Loop" movie.
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Not only is he still acting, he's been in two of the best movies of the last 10 years, Burn After Reading and United 93. He's also Captain Piett in the NPR Radio Drama version of Empire Strikes Back.
 
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APZonerunner said:
He's literally talking about an entirely fresh start - new Doctor, new companion, new everything. He was saying he thinks there needs to be some carry over, and that's why he's glad he has Clara, Jenny, Strax and Vastra this time around. I really took it to mean that when Moffat chooses to go he'll coordinate with his successor more to ensure it doesn't happen again.
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Was completely closing out all the RTD-era companions & side characters something RTD chose to do himself or was it an edict from on high or did Moffat actually wanted a clean slate and is just lamenting how it made the start of his run harder to start? Obviously, the RTD characters are not completely gone given the 50th, but I just wondered if we knew why Tennant leaving essentially shut down all of these characters that had been established.
 
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Was completely closing out all the RTD-era companions & side characters something RTD chose to do himself or was it an edict from on high or did Moffat actually wanted a clean slate and is just lamenting how it made the start of his run harder to start? Obviously, the RTD characters are not completely gone given the 50th, but I just wondered if we knew why Tennant leaving essentially shut down all of these characters that had been established.
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Well, Tate was already gone. Moffat would've wanted to do his own companion no matter what. So that was that. Worse, though, was that the entire production team basically went with RTD. So that was tough.

Tennant nearly stayed. He'd made a pact with RTD to go together, but last minute had a wobble, but backed down in the end. Moffat already talked about what series 5 would've been broadly:

The Tenth Doctor crashes down into Amy Pond's garden. Things continue as normal, though different, more ten than eleven. He's injured, ill, clothes ripped, dying. He seems to know who the little girl is. After chat, and her trying to nurse him, he dashes back to the TARDIS to both rescue it and, it seems, die. But he promises he'll be back. Years later, the TARDIS materializes again and out steps a perfectly well Tenth Doctor. He's investigating something, and that leads to Prisoner Zero and all that stuff. He meets Amy, and she knows him but he doesn't know her. It's the tenth Doctor before the night when he's dying. You spend the rest of the series - identical to S5 in its overall arc - knowing, like Amy, that he is one day going to crash down into the garden, without her, and die. Pandorica stuff happens. When he's blasted back through time, it ends with him landing in her garden, on the brink of death. She meets him, feeds him, and so on... and then he limps off to the TARDIS and dies. The next time he materializes to take her on more adventures, he's eleven.
 
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APZonerunner said:
Well, Tate was already gone. Moffat would've wanted to do his own companion no matter what. So that was that. Worse, though, was that the entire production team basically went with RTD. So that was tough.

Tennant nearly stayed. He'd made a pact with RTD to go together, but last minute had a wobble, but backed down in the end. Moffat already talked about what series 5 would've been broadly:

The Tenth Doctor crashes down into Amy Pond's garden. Things continue as normal, though different, more ten than eleven. He's injured, ill, clothes ripped, dying. He seems to know who the little girl is. After chat, and her trying to nurse him, he dashes back to the TARDIS to both rescue it and, it seems, die. But he promises he'll be back. Years later, the TARDIS materializes again and out steps a perfectly well Tenth Doctor. He's investigating something, and that leads to Prisoner Zero and all that stuff. He meets Amy, and she knows him but he doesn't know her. It's the tenth Doctor before the night when he's dying. You spend the rest of the series - identical to S5 in its overall arc - knowing, like Amy, that he is one day going to crash down into the garden, without her, and die. Pandorica stuff happens. When he's blasted back through time, it ends with him landing in her garden, on the brink of death. She meets him, feeds him, and so on... and then he limps off to the TARDIS and dies. The next time he materializes to take her on more adventures, he's eleven.
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Funnily enough Tennant as the Doctor in S5 would fix a lot of my problems with it, as a lot of my criticisms of that season revolve around Smith's performance and how he was still finding his feet as the character.The arc of S6 would probably have not been exactly the same, but if the had bundled all of the whole "River song arc" into the same series that Smith was starting with we might have had two good series' and a bad one instead of one good one and two mediocre ones.

In an alternate reality this happened somewhere.
 
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APZonerunner said:
Well, Tate was already gone. Moffat would've wanted to do his own companion no matter what. So that was that. Worse, though, was that the entire production team basically went with RTD. So that was tough.

Tennant nearly stayed. He'd made a pact with RTD to go together, but last minute had a wobble, but backed down in the end. Moffat already talked about what series 5 would've been broadly:

The Tenth Doctor crashes down into Amy Pond's garden. Things continue as normal, though different, more ten than eleven. He's injured, ill, clothes ripped, dying. He seems to know who the little girl is. After chat, and her trying to nurse him, he dashes back to the TARDIS to both rescue it and, it seems, die. But he promises he'll be back. Years later, the TARDIS materializes again and out steps a perfectly well Tenth Doctor. He's investigating something, and that leads to Prisoner Zero and all that stuff. He meets Amy, and she knows him but he doesn't know her. It's the tenth Doctor before the night when he's dying. You spend the rest of the series - identical to S5 in its overall arc - knowing, like Amy, that he is one day going to crash down into the garden, without her, and die. Pandorica stuff happens. When he's blasted back through time, it ends with him landing in her garden, on the brink of death. She meets him, feeds him, and so on... and then he limps off to the TARDIS and dies. The next time he materializes to take her on more adventures, he's eleven.
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Huh. You know, I would have really really enjoyed that. Probably more than the season we did get, tbh.
 
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APZonerunner said:
This is a curious little thing - aired right before Rose. And hark at who is narrating! Funny to go back and watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XebtaTlWEwU
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Ha ha, that's pretty cool. Not surprising though given that he'd been involved with the franchise already by that point with some roles for Big Finish and also with Rusty on Casanova. Still, a pretty good hype piece for the revival of the show.

The thing that caught me out more than Tennant narrating was the use of Big Brovaz for some of the music. Haven't thought of them in ages (though I suppose their big debut was only a few years old at that point this would've broadcast).
 
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Broken Joystick said:
Apparently something "big" will be announced tonight? Any clues? (Not even sure if the source is valid.)

https://twitter.com/metro_land/status/362932148702953473
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Keep in mind that there's been someone saying something 'big' was going to be announced almost every week for the last couple of weeks, and so far all those rumours proved to be false. We all know we're going to get some big announcements in the near future (new Doctor, possibly classic Doctors/characters appearing in the 50th, possible web series), but at this point I'm just ignoring all these announcements of announcements.

On the other hand, apparently they already started filming the Chistmas special. If it's true that Smith is going to regenerate in the 50th instead of during Christmas (the arguments in this thread make a lot of sense to me, and Moffat actually called the 50th 'Matt's last story' at Comi-Con when discussing the pressure of writing it, although that might have been a simple misunderstanding), it wouldn't be surprising if we'll get to hear who the next Doctor is going to be soon. We'll see I guess.
 
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maharg said:
Huh. You know, I would have really really enjoyed that. Probably more than the season we did get, tbh.
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I think it would have immortalised Tennant amongst fans. My big problem with his tenure (and I think I'm not alone here) is the large amount of guff stories and cheese he had to put up with, despite his fantastic performance in the role, and S5 radically fixed a lot of my larger concerns with the show pre-Moffat, so I think I'd be a lot more appreciative of Tennant if that chain of events had occurred. As it is, it made it really, really easy to fall in love with Matt as 11.

I bet S6 would have turned out a lot differently if it was Matt's first series too.
 
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