Season 1 and parts of two, agreed.
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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life
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Season 1 and parts of two, agreed.
EleventhDoctor
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They can probably re-introduce the old design (modernized) while still keeping the new redesign.
Wouldn't mind seeing a more basic Cyberman.
Speaking of Cybermen, Torchwood's Cyberwoman was cringe-worthy.
DiipuSurotu
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It's a real shame, it was really frightening.
They didn't actually wear gloves, which made them even more creepy, emphazing the fact that they are part-man.
Something about how they talk is just freaky too.
Wow, I never noticed the human hands. The new RoboCop should have looked like that.
21st century cowboy
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http://www.bbcshop.com/doctor-who/d...ing-bbc-shop-exclusive-blu-ray/invt/bbcbd0251
There is a special edition of the complete series 7 only available at the BBC shop if anyone is interested. Plus put DOCTOR1 as a promotional code on the enter payment details screen to get 10% off. It seems to be in the vain of the Silence special edition of series 6.
There is a special edition of the complete series 7 only available at the BBC shop if anyone is interested. Plus put DOCTOR1 as a promotional code on the enter payment details screen to get 10% off. It seems to be in the vain of the Silence special edition of series 6.
Android18a
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I love the old 'bag' faces for Cybermen. It's really a horror movie like thing, like... these faces are so horrifically scarred and altered by the conversion process that even the cybermen themselves have to hide their own faces. Even without emotion it's enough to drive a cyberman mad.
Huh. I've always thought pretty much every incarnation of them was stupid looking personally, but I guess maybe it's because I never considered an explanation for them using basically painted bags other than that that's all they could afford. I'm fine with lofi effects in general, but sometimes they fail to convince even so and the cybermen have always been that for me.
I realise this has become a bit of a patronising question in Who fandom, but have you heard Spare Parts? That story was the turning point that made me see the potential in the Cybermen as something other than the silly silver robots we were subjected to any time after the 1960s.
They are supposed to have had the parts replaced to cure a wasting disease to their muscles and body. There's some great body shock to be had there....sadly the new Cybermen with their Tony Stark design miss the point entirely. I quite like these ones from The Dark Dimension that was never made...
Hot Coldman
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Problem with the Cyberiad is that there's no going back. There's no downgrade. And the Doctor's timeline seemingly runs parallel with the progression and evolution of his enemies, so we're never going to see earlier versions of the current Cybermen.
I just think this latest Cybermen design needs to be utilised better. Need a filler episode? Rip off the Terminator with a 2013 Cyberman!
I just think this latest Cybermen design needs to be utilised better. Need a filler episode? Rip off the Terminator with a 2013 Cyberman!
Tizoc
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It's a real shame, it was really frightening.
They didn't actually wear gloves, which made them even more creepy, emphazing the fact that they are part-man.
Something about how they talk is just freaky too.
Something about this design is just...great even with the chest thing and the head piece looking hilarious/comical by today's standards.
Non the less I still get the terrifying idea behind the design and what they were aiming at.
I think what you've identified there is actually what's so great about the design. Rather than looking sleek and solid, these Cybermen look haphazard and lashed together, which serves to reinforce the whole medical-nightmare thing they had going on. You want them to look like a dying human, held together with bandages and kept alive with clunky machines, not a sleek, efficient silver robot.
While we're talking about the Cybermen, here's my other favourite design:
Doctor Who concept artist Matthew Savage made this one sometime during the first few years of the new series. I love the way it blends the Tenth Planet and Tomb/Moonbase designs.
I'm actually not certain, now that you mention it. I know that it became a weapon at some point (it certainly was in Revenge of the Cybermen during Tom Baker's time) but I couldn't tell you from memory if it did anything in the sixties stories.
Anyone else know?
Tizoc
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Hmm looking more carefully at the artwork you posted, seems the circular thing was supposed to be a microphone? Or from where their voice is supposed to come out?
It does resemble a speaker-grille, but I'm fairly sure it was intended to be a light (or a light-based weapon I guess) if anything. Thinking this might be a good excuse to revisit some of the 60's Cybermen episodes!
I thought that Nightmare in Silver was a wasted opportunity to redesign the Cybermen again. After thousands of years of sustained conflict and upgrades that made them grossly overpowered, it would hardly be a stretch that they'd look a little different.
They really need to redesign the Cybermen for the new season. With Capaldi as the new older and wiser Doctor, I'm thinking that Moffat could make Twelfth's first season pretty dark and introduce the Cybermen, and the Cyber race, as a season-wide threat, working in the background with a huge two-parter at the end.
Hot Coldman
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Autumn 2014.
What about it?
APZonerunner
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That's how long we have to wait for Series 8.
aHebrewMenagerie
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Same goes for many of the early episodes of Doctor Who
Yeah, the look of the Cybermen isn't a problem really, it's the way they are written. You could have the terrifying Tenth Planet look and voice and they'd still be crap doing what they do now.
Seriously?
APZonerunner
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Yeah. Moffat said very late summer or most likely Autumn.
Moffat on the split series in 2011: "For the kids it will never be more than a few months to the next Doctor Who! Easter, autumn, Christmas!"
Never forget! Bloody BBC.
EleventhDoctor
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Sure it's Easter, Autumn and Christmas-but just not in the same year!
Exterminieren
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In fairness, it's at least partially because Capaldi still hasn't finished The Musketeers.
KuwabaraTheMan
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And the split for Series 7 was about 'Doctor Who taking over the airwaves in 2013'. I guess 8 regular episodes and 2 specials is what they meant by that.
Tizoc
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In the future, they will develop time machines. ...and they will use them to make copies of the lost Doctor Who episodes and bring it back to their time so as not to fuck with the space time continuum.
...but yeah it's a fucking shame it's a lost episode =/
JonathanEx
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Hey hey! Don't forget Doctor Who Live Featuring Zoe Ball!!!!!
Autumn 2014.
seriously? we're getting like one series every two years at this rate.
why can't they cut their cloth to fit and give us a series every year? Even if it means cutting back to fewer episodes
Exterminieren
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Guys, the new Doctor's filming a different series until November. They couldn't put it out earlier if they wanted to.
JonathanEx
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I suppose awkward times and lengths is still better than just 4 in a year ala specials
they could have filmed another series with the current doctor by then :/
Its not like the new doctor isn't a popular and in-demand actor. Are we going to get more of this?
I don't like moaning (much) but the BBC just seem to fuck about with this show so much.
They could have filmed another series with Matt Smith, except he's decided to leave the show. They can't really make him stay. Capaldi's contracted to finish what he's filming before starting on Who, once he begins filming for Who then other shows are going to have to fit around that, just as Who is having to wait for him to finish. Just one of those things. Shame we have to wait so long though.
EleventhDoctor
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The sad thing is I don't see this situation getting any better. It's not like the BBC are suddenly one day going to say "Hey, we need to get our act together on Doctor Who-let's make episodes on a more regular schedule!" They've got to this point now where we're getting about a full season every 18-24 months and they must like it that way.
Exterminieren
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This isn't down to the BBC. The BBC always wants more. They just want to keep Moffat sweet that little bit more.
Is this schedule fuckery really on Moffat? If so I may need to reevaluate my appreciation of RTD's run. If nothing else he was punctual and prolific.
JonathanEx
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Presumably something within the production. Who or what or why, we don't know. Probably getting it down to one person to blame isn't easy, or perhaps true.
GodParticle
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Maybe they can spend that extra time coming up with better writing. This past season was really awful
Doesn't Moffatt also have Sherlock on his plate?
He makes three episodes every two years with a relatively diminutive cast and two other writers - how much time can it possibly take up?
Yeeeeeeessssss. Hopefully they have the I Am the Doctor variation from the end of The Doctor, The Widow and The Wardrobe.
Also the introduction to the TARDIS in The Snowmen is the best scene, but the music from the end is fantastic as you said.
Exterminieren
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It's not on anyone in particular. If Moffat was more punctual with his writing, if there wasn't the level of behind-the-scenes churn that we've seen, if Matt was willing to stay longer, if Capaldi wasn't filming and then recovering from The Musketeers, if, if, if...
What we know is that there was a six-month delay for series 7 filming. That's at least partially on Moffat's time catching up on him- The Wedding of River Song was, by several accounts, one of the most fraught writing tasks in modern Who, with many plotlines to wrap up and a minimal amount of time to write it. Sherlock was indeed a big factor in this.
As for this year... we don't know, honestly. The plan seems to have been for more than we've actually gotten- Caroline Skinner talked of "the longest production schedule we've seen" at the start of series 7 filming. Obviously plans changed, but we really do not have enough information to blame anyone yet. Matt's reluctance to do much more after he'd decided to leave is definitely a part of it, as was the issues with scripts and execs which we aren't as privy to. It's definitely partially Moffat, but it's also not entirely Moffat by any stretch.
If Capaldi didn't have the last block or two of The Musketeers to polish off and a week or two to recover from that ~9 month shoot, we may well have seen Christmas filming and series 8 filming earlier, with later scripts probably having to be filmed before Moffat's. If Matt hadn't decided to leave, we may have had more stuff beyond the Anniversary Special and the Christmas Special. We don't know enough to properly make the call.
What we know is that there was a six-month delay for series 7 filming. That's at least partially on Moffat's time catching up on him- The Wedding of River Song was, by several accounts, one of the most fraught writing tasks in modern Who, with many plotlines to wrap up and a minimal amount of time to write it. Sherlock was indeed a big factor in this.
As for this year... we don't know, honestly. The plan seems to have been for more than we've actually gotten- Caroline Skinner talked of "the longest production schedule we've seen" at the start of series 7 filming. Obviously plans changed, but we really do not have enough information to blame anyone yet. Matt's reluctance to do much more after he'd decided to leave is definitely a part of it, as was the issues with scripts and execs which we aren't as privy to. It's definitely partially Moffat, but it's also not entirely Moffat by any stretch.
If Capaldi didn't have the last block or two of The Musketeers to polish off and a week or two to recover from that ~9 month shoot, we may well have seen Christmas filming and series 8 filming earlier, with later scripts probably having to be filmed before Moffat's. If Matt hadn't decided to leave, we may have had more stuff beyond the Anniversary Special and the Christmas Special. We don't know enough to properly make the call.
He's far, far more hands on with it than RTD ever was with Torchwood or TSJA.
Box of Bunnies
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Moffat erased so many people from Doctor Who that he eventually found himself without anyone to help make the show. It's like a Twilight Zone story.
APZonerunner
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Eh, bollocks. RTD reviewed and did rewrites on every single episode of Torchwood 1, 2 & COE, and reviewed all episodes of SJA and rewrote about half the episodes a year, in addition to all the usual Producer/Exec stuff.
This isn't a competition between the two of them, but Sherlock really is no excuse is all I'm saying.
To be honest, I actually think it's more to do with the fact that Moffat actually has a lot of life outside of the show (family, kids, etc) whereas RTD fucked everything off for the four years he did Who, even his own boyfriend, who lived half of Britain away while he slaved away in Cardiff. Nobody can blame Moffat for having a life, but Who does need a focused showrunner who perhaps doesn't have other projects on the go.
Who would you nominate?
I mean, it would be a different story if Moffat was taking his sweet time to crank out some truly amazing stuff but nothing in his run compares to the episodes he did under RTD. I'm ready for a change.
EleventhDoctor
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Toby Whithouse is the man for the job. Make him the new show runner, and have Moffet contribute to an episode or two. I've liked Moffet's run a lot-but the breaks are getting to be re-god-damned-diculous.
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