NotTheGuyYouKill
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MY EMOTIONS. MY EMOTIONS!
Oh god the feels.
I got you bro... I got you.
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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life
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MY EMOTIONS. MY EMOTIONS!
I got you bro... I got you.
EleventhDoctor
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WOW-where did this come from? Sarah Jane Smith?!?!
APZonerunner
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RE the gay thing - Who has, for some reason, an absolutely massive gay following. Gigantic. Always has. Phil Collinson, one of the producers for the revival in 2005, said he thought it was because the show was relatively sexless, so in the 60s and 70s compared to James Bond and The Avengers (British TV show, now the Marvel stuff) and the like it was more friendly to those with gay leanings. Moffat just does it for fun, I think. I loved Oswin's little quip about having a girlfriend in Asylum, and Canton - "I think the moon is far enough for now," - Moments like that are fun.
.APZonerunner
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Speaking of music, I do wonder if they'll boot "I Am The Doctor" as the sort of core 'action' theme throughout now. They had one strain ("London Bridge") throughout series 1 and 2, and after Rose went and the show had a major shift we got "All the Strange, Strange Creatures", while Series 4 had a mix of that and "Corridors and Fire Escapes."
We've had "I am the Doctor" for 2 and a half series' now, so Murray must surely be getting bored of arranging it in different ways. I definitely hope he does a new core theme.
We've had "I am the Doctor" for 2 and a half series' now, so Murray must surely be getting bored of arranging it in different ways. I definitely hope he does a new core theme.
Guerrillas in the Mist
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RTD: "THIS CHARACTER IS GAY, AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT, SO YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT!"
Everyone else: "OK, that's cool, it doesn't bother me in the slightest."
RTD: "WELL TOUGH, YOU'LL JUST HAVE TO GET USED TO IT."
Hot Coldman
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I do love all the future religion stuff in "Good Man"/"Wedding", although they need to explain better who's actually aligned with the Silence.
EndcatOmega
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Not to say RTD didn't make it over the top, but from I remember of Outpost Gallifrey (or whatever it was bloody called then) in 2005 a lot of people were very upset that RTD's Gay Agenda (tm) was trying to make homosexuality look like 'normal people' instead of, presumably, depraved sex addicts trying to undermine British values by daring to exist or something. There was a large streak of Daily Mail conservatism, I fear, and probably still is.
Guerrillas in the Mist
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Just to make it clear, I had no issues with it, but that doesn't take away from the fact that it was about as subtle as a sledgehammer to the face.
EndcatOmega
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Oh, yeah, I just think that for some people sledgehammers need to be dropped... Er... their faces sledged... hammered...
I don't like this analogy anymore.
bengraven
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Creepiest thing in the whole episode.
Hot Coldman
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My first instinct with that was "oh god don't look into its eyes"
Oh god the feels.
Is this an official thing or fan art? Still sad either way.
I feel like a lot of the Silence and their organization and plans is still unexplained...but I'm not compelled at all to look it up.
WrenchNinja
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Hot Coldman
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Good, because I'm pretty sure there's nothing to look up yet. The Silence are the organisation who exist to kill the Doctor and ensure that when the Question is asked, silence will fall.. They're led by the creepy hypnotic alien dudes and Kovarian. That's literally all there is to it at the moment.
I sure hope this series gives us some more answers.
It was more Miracle Day for me. In Miracle Day he only really made passes at Gwen of the women. I mean, it wasn't a HUGE deal to me, it was just something I found unusual, because I thought that was part of his character.
He's also getting kinda old. Is Torchwood even coming back? I haven't heard anything since Miracle Day, and all through Miracle Day I couldn't help but ask "Where the heck is The Doctor right now?"
Oh god the feels.
SO MANY FEELS.
DrForester
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Hints, but I'm sure it's something that won't be wrapped up until Smith's eventual exit.
Hot Coldman
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I feel like there's way too much unfinished business with those lot to just drop it completely for a whole season- Moffat better give us some damn big clues as to where this is all heading.
I feel like they'll be involved in the lights going out.
Oh no gay people! Keep them away! Just by existing they're ruining the show!
Anyone able to make this into a 1920x1080 wallpaper?
Dr Zhivago
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I wonder if they thought US audiences would have enough issues with a gay lead character without him being multi-sexual as well.
ScreenSplitter
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Oh that's not what I said at all and you know it. As someone mentioned before, there have been way too many scenes with.
"I'LL ESCORT YOU AND YOUR FRIEND OUT OF HERE"
"ACTUALLY HE'S MY HUSBAND"
"OH WELL THAT'S OKAY"
"I KNOW IT'S OKAY"
"GOOD" *stares into camera*
Exterminieren
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I don't recall any scenes like that at all.
All I know is that you're placing far more prominence towards the gay characters and scenes than the show ever does.
Could you possibly give an example of such a scene? I don't remember anything resembling this.
brucewaynegretzky
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Jack's introduction. That was horribly overdone, and I LOVE Jack as a character, but there was a scene in that two-parter that was just frustrating.
Exterminieren
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I don't think it's fair to bring Jack into this, as he's a parody of the playboy action hero.
What's being referred to is the audience being lectured that being gay is alright and making it into a Very Special Issue, which I really can't remember happening.
brucewaynegretzky
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Only if it's done poorly and all they add out of place dialogue just for the sake of pointing it out.
It's not about mentioning it. No one cares about that, and there SHOULD be gay characters. It's about timing and quality writing.
brucewaynegretzky
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O yeah, it's definitely better now. Agreed. I do think though that Who has a tendency to overplay non-major relationships when they're not heterosexual.
For instance, two side characters might be in a hetero relationship and it will barely be mentioned at all. If two characters are in another type of relationship (homosexual, open, bi, anything I can't think of right now....) they make sure to throw in some extra dialogue about it.
Now obviously the MAIN relationships are mostly hetero, so there's that skew, but I'd rather they just do a main relationship that wasn't heterosexual and give that appropriate treatment rather than intentionally pointing out side relationships when they don't feel the need to point out side hetero ones. It comes off as clumsy storytelling.
It was more of a thing during RTD's run.
I'll always be on the side that wants better writing, but aren't there a lot of ridiculous heterosexual jokes in the series too? It's not like the hetero love and flirting in the show is subtle either (there may be subtle instances, but that's because it's the overwhelming majority), the thing is that when there's a gay character, joke or random line it's put under a magnifier. I mean, Oswin's girl crush quip actually got articles focusing on it which was pretty silly. She hits on Rory throughout the entire episode and no one cares but when she mentions that one time she fancied a girl people flip.
Agreed. In my eyes it's just gay/bi relationships and references being used under the same umbrella as heterosexual ones (which is optimal), so sometimes it will be good, sometimes it won't. It depends on the writing in the same way.
Actually, I think it's just people are so used to heterosexual relationships and their references in media that they naturally don't notice it as much. A non-heterosexual reference stands out more whether it's good or "bad" because it's more unusual and unexpected. It's more memorable because it doesn't happen as much.
That can be the only explanation for why people make a point to highlight any gay reference as an agenda and completely ignore the 2.5 series of heterosexual Pond and DoctorxRiver drama alone.
That can be the only explanation for why people make a point to highlight any gay reference as an agenda and completely ignore the 2.5 series of heterosexual Pond and DoctorxRiver drama alone.
brucewaynegretzky
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I think you missed my distinction between "side" and "main." Obviously we notice MAIN relationships regardless. But somehow characters who are on screen for very little time manage to make it known the are homosexual, but heteros don't.
So you have a problem with gay characters like I said?
Because if they didn't you wouldn't know either way, mainly because people are assumed to be straight unless told otherwise due to our hetero-normative society.
Also what about the point Fuu raise about Oswin? She is supposedly a main character who showed overt heterosexual and homosexual characteristics in a way where you couldn't be entirely sure if she was being serious or joking.
It seems to be the solution we need is a homosexual main character, but then people will probably stop bitching about it being bad background references and instead the "gay agenda" taking over the whole show. I think that this is why gay references tend to get put to the side because the producers don't want to get accused of overtly pushing homosexuality on people and turning off watchers.
brucewaynegretzky
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Well there's the issue. Side characters NEED to be pointed out as gay. So just don't specify. Who cares what people assume about them. They're side characters. The reason they probably assume they aren't gay is because statistically MOST people aren't gay. I also assume they don't fly model airplanes. That doesn't mean I'd think less of them if the story naturally revealed that they did fly model airplanes.
People bitching about a main character being gay would be stupid. Jack was bi, and it fit very well with his character when people weren't doing random exposition about Jack liking guys. When it was just him hitting on everything that moved it worked PERFECTLY. Do more of that, and less talking about people being gay.
Do you believe that straight characters do not express their sexuality in the same way gay ones do?
So you're okay with people being bi, but not being gay? That's what you seem to be saying here.
The Technomancer
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I think you're completely missing his point. Especially in the second quote where he seems to be saying that Jack was fine when he was shown behaving a certain way (in this case bi), not talking about it.
brucewaynegretzky
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Seriously, THAT'S what you're getting from what I'm saying?
You're just completely off. My point here is that the straight SIDE characters DON'T generally express their sexuality, unless it is a clear part of the story. The reason we assume they're straight is because MOST people we meet are straight so it's a safe bet statistically, but doesn't mean we'd change our opinion if they WERE gay.
And I WANT a gay main character you tool. I just don't want to have listen to people talk about, at random irrelevant times, about how the person is gay. What I DON'T want is random characters whose sexuality is irrelevant to the story to be talking about their sexuality. We don't have this problem with straight characters because there's no need to point out they're straight, but my point is that there's no reason to point out a side character is gay BECAUSE THEY'RE A SIDE CHARACTER.
No, I think I understand perfectly thank you. Many Who fans are homophobes in denial. It's rather sad really, but I suppose not unexpected.
So if there was a gay character that went around kissing guys and such, that would be better? It's the talking about being gay that's the issue, just like how many straight characters talk about their heterosexual issues?
Edit: I'm done. Sorry,, if I misunderstood anyone. I want to die. I'm sick of this world. sorry everyone.
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