-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life
- Thread starter Mr. Sam
- Start date
- Status
Exterminieren
Banned
Silent, creepy, ghostlike Troughton-esque Cybermen?
Gaiman, you wonderful, wonderful man.
Gaiman, you wonderful, wonderful man.
Box of Bunnies
Banned
New Cybermen sound fantastic.
EleventhDoctor
Banned
Cybermen definitely need a revam-but I hope they can avoid the cheesiness of the "Classic" look...
I think the Cybus Cybermen was a good revamp, but it didn't feel right that they were from the parallel universe, as opposed to their true origins.
Exterminieren
Banned
Yep, this is a Gaiman episode alright.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
infiniteloop
Member
Pics of new cybermen:
http://victoryofthedaleks.tumblr.com/post/35350677520/healthytowers-went-for-a-walk-to-take-some
meh
http://victoryofthedaleks.tumblr.com/post/35350677520/healthytowers-went-for-a-walk-to-take-some
meh
Okay
I like it. Looks less bulky than the Cybus ones, more intricate design, too.
EleventhDoctor
Banned
Hmmm..I was hoping for something more frightening-but this is more along the lines of a sleeker, thinner revision.
King of the Potato People
Member
I hope they try and make the Cybermen as creepy as they used to be in the Troughton era, before a father's love for a child was enough to defeat them.
I think this allows for more frightening, but it's all about how they move. The clanky clanky armed column approach was just silly, not scary at all. Their bulk was a part of why that made visual sense, so hopefully a slimming down comes with making them move better.
EleventhDoctor
Banned
Hopefully! They Definetly do look better.
Literally the worst Doctor Who conflict resolution since the singing at the end of Fear Her.
EleventhDoctor
Banned
Just picked these up for the kitchen.
APZonerunner
Member
New design looks most interesting! Love the contoured look to the armour. Seems to really take the best bits of the older, slimmer, skintight outfits and mingles it with the modern, bulky RTD-era Cybermen.
I'm most curious for the explanation. Are these going to be the last of the Mondas Cybermen, returning at last, leaving the Cybusmen out there also? Or is this an evolution of the Cybusmen design? Moffat has never really commented - all Cybermen in his era had the 'C' Cybus logo removed from their chest anyway, but it's never been confirmed one way or another if the ones in S5/6 were Cybus or not. RTD always said the Mondas Cybermen were 'out there somewhere' still when he did the parallel world reboot (and they cameo in series 1, briefly.) Very curious about this more than anything.
However -- really dislike how in the walking shots the boots/shoes look disconnected from the legs. Like normal people's shoes do. I think these appearing as one, jointed unit 'sells' them being... well, metal men, more.
I'm most curious for the explanation. Are these going to be the last of the Mondas Cybermen, returning at last, leaving the Cybusmen out there also? Or is this an evolution of the Cybusmen design? Moffat has never really commented - all Cybermen in his era had the 'C' Cybus logo removed from their chest anyway, but it's never been confirmed one way or another if the ones in S5/6 were Cybus or not. RTD always said the Mondas Cybermen were 'out there somewhere' still when he did the parallel world reboot (and they cameo in series 1, briefly.) Very curious about this more than anything.
However -- really dislike how in the walking shots the boots/shoes look disconnected from the legs. Like normal people's shoes do. I think these appearing as one, jointed unit 'sells' them being... well, metal men, more.
Filming up at Castle Coch ay, wondering if they will have the Doctor and co. running around in there too.
Suits look interesting, I am totally for making Cybermen scary or creepier, they need to do something to distinguish them from the Daleks as they are essentially just filling the same bad guy role at this point.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Finally watched all the episodes I was missing. It's like the shittiness of series six didn't happen. <3 Oh, and Angels in Manhattan was the Weeping Angels the way they are supposed to be and not fucking action monsters like in the series five two-parter.
edit: oh god P.S. was heartbreaking
edit: oh god P.S. was heartbreaking
grimshawish
Banned
Love the new suit. I think with lots of Cybermen together and some intimidating action they'll be pretty threatening. The face is especially great.
I wonder if they'll keep the light up mouth?
I wonder if they'll keep the light up mouth?
APZonerunner
Member
It looks like there may be LEDs or something in the head bars.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
So last week's Epic Rap Battles of History was Doc Brown vs The Doctor
Not their best video, but I got a couple chuckles out of it
Not their best video, but I got a couple chuckles out of it
Ah the point before "Let's Kill Hitler"... I look back upon those times and smile. Enjoy it all man while it lasts. This could get ugly.
Yeah I watched "Let's Kill Hitler" too. I've been thinking long and hard about this and I've come to a few conclusions regarding the whole storyline. I'm not going to formulate them yet since there's still episodes to watch and if anyone confirms/denies my speculation it'll suck.
A really nice touch from the whole storyline is when River says
that the day the doctor doesn't recognize her 'it will kill [her]'.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
I loved "Let's Kill Hitler." Just a silly and fun episode. And Rory was in top form in that one as well.
"I am inside a giant robot replica of my wife. I am trying not to find the metaphor here."
"I am inside a giant robot replica of my wife. I am trying not to find the metaphor here."
EleventhDoctor
Banned
Let's Kill Hitler is fun. I don't get the hate.
I think after "A Good Man Goes to War" people were expecting something a little more than what we got, it was as you said fun and an all round alright episode.
User 100115
Banned
I don't get the hate on a lot of stuff, I basically love everything* this show puts out. I even loved the last episode of season six, which seemed to not be popular here. Of course, I also am a big River Song fan...
*barring Fear Her and Love and Monsters, of course. Not fond of those.
EleventhDoctor
Banned
I think those two plus "Rose" with the rubberry Mickey and trash can-otherwise I've loved most of everything, but especially the 11th Doctor's run.
The only episodes in Smith's run I didn't particularly care for were MOST of "closing time" and "A Town Called Mercy". Otherwise I've loved most everything.
Exterminieren
Banned
I love Love & Monsters. Haters be damned.
I can see why it's so polarising, but I really loved it. It may well go in the top ten of the RTD era for me.
I can see why it's so polarising, but I really loved it. It may well go in the top ten of the RTD era for me.
I love Love & Monsters. Haters be damned.
I can see why it's so polarising, but I really loved it. It may well go in the top ten of the RTD era for me.
I thought we were friends ;~;
Exterminieren
Banned
Now, Billie, I love both of you, but, in fairness, Love and Monsters came first.
Love ya babe.
Exterminieren
Banned
It's a lovely bit about society's outsiders finding solace in each other, and love overcoming physical boundaries and disabilities. Don't hate.
Love you too, sweetie.Now, Billie, I love both of you, but, in fairness, Love and Monsters came first.
Love ya babe.
I can't.
"We've even got a bit of a love life."
"Oh, let's not go into that."
Never forget.
Team Filler
Member
Lol, I have a bit of a soft spot for that episode, mostly because of the shift in focus from the Doctor and Rose to different people who are affected by the Doctor, and also because of Marc Warren's acting.
EleventhDoctor
Banned
APZonerunner
Member
While completely tasteless, I thought that was a pretty hilarious joke.
The concept about the episode is wonderful - the bad bit is Peter Kay, and how that monster actually looks. In fairness, the concept of the Monster was from the winner of a Blue Peter competition (for US folks, this means it was designed by a kid)... I think?
EDIT: Yep. Designed by a nine year old in both look and concept - RTD adapted and built a story around the competition winner's monster. That's why the next Blue Peter competition was something less central - 'Design a TARDIS console' - which is what they use without a shell in The Doctor's Wife. They're doing another one of these competitions next year, they said in DWM.
As far as Let's Kill Hitler goes, it's a fun episode. A bit light on substance. A lot of fluff, but it has some of Matt's best performances in it as he 'dies'. Really nice bit with the companions - "there must be someone I haven't screwed up yet!" - the very definition of that character. I also loved Mels, shame there wasn't more of her. I think the greatest crime of the episode is that the wonderful historical setting is completely wasted for a sensationalist episode title and a few throwaway gags. At the same time, I can see why - they wanted The Doctor to meet Hitler, but they can't exactly have him running around as buddies as with most historical figures.
The concept about the episode is wonderful - the bad bit is Peter Kay, and how that monster actually looks. In fairness, the concept of the Monster was from the winner of a Blue Peter competition (for US folks, this means it was designed by a kid)... I think?
EDIT: Yep. Designed by a nine year old in both look and concept - RTD adapted and built a story around the competition winner's monster. That's why the next Blue Peter competition was something less central - 'Design a TARDIS console' - which is what they use without a shell in The Doctor's Wife. They're doing another one of these competitions next year, they said in DWM.
As far as Let's Kill Hitler goes, it's a fun episode. A bit light on substance. A lot of fluff, but it has some of Matt's best performances in it as he 'dies'. Really nice bit with the companions - "there must be someone I haven't screwed up yet!" - the very definition of that character. I also loved Mels, shame there wasn't more of her. I think the greatest crime of the episode is that the wonderful historical setting is completely wasted for a sensationalist episode title and a few throwaway gags. At the same time, I can see why - they wanted The Doctor to meet Hitler, but they can't exactly have him running around as buddies as with most historical figures.
was about to post this. thought it was funny. too bad the doctor did not regenerate into the 11th
I like Love and Monsters because of the focus on this random person affected by the Doctor's existence throughout his life. I thought it was a great idea.
The monster sucked, though. When the big reveal happened, all I could say was "what the fuck is this shit?"
The "love life" bit in the end had me laughing, partly because I couldn't believe they just made that sort of hint in Doctor Who.
The monster sucked, though. When the big reveal happened, all I could say was "what the fuck is this shit?"
The "love life" bit in the end had me laughing, partly because I couldn't believe they just made that sort of hint in Doctor Who.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
It's fine for something to be fun or silly, but Let's Kill Hitler is just non-stop zaniness with absolutely no structure to it. I suppose that's fine for people who like that sort of thing, but that's not what Doctor Who should be, in my opinion. Too much Mary Suing and random characters appearing out of nowhere to fill plot holes which didn't even need to exist in the first place.
I also think it's a shame that it wasted some potentially cool story ideas which are set up in the first 10 minutes in favor of having River Song wandering around a city making quips for the next half hour.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
If there's one major problem I have with it its that they blew the concept of "Lets Kill Hitler" on that
Incendiary
Banned
I agree with that. If Let's Kill Hitler was a standalone episode I think I would have enjoyed it more (and not to speak for everyone, but I think the general reception of the episode would have been better). The fact that the overarcing story was jammed into the episode made it less fulfilling. Combined with the terrible conclusion of The Wedding of River Song, it really made the second half of the season 6 story arc feel wasted and incomplete.
I enjoy all of the Matt Smith era episodes, but whenever I do a rewatch those two episodes are the ones I skip for sure.
Let's Kill Hitler, to me, was alright. It was the episodes that follow it in season 6 that I was referring to with my ' this could get ugly' comment.
Incendiary said:
basically this
GameplayWhore
Member
But the overarcing story has been jammed into nearly every episode during the Moffat era.
It's really interesting. I've found the entire Smith run to be almost entirely devoid of both completely terrible episodes and duodenum-splatteringly amazing episodes. Even the ones universally fapped over here I've felt were solid but flawed (eg, the "hey, we're saved at the final moment by a heretofore unannounced feature of the TARDIS" bit in Gaiman's ep). In contrast, RTD's tenure was supernaturally all over the place, ranging from perhaps contenders to the worst-ever stories of the show's entire run to episodes that rank up there with Inferno and Fenric.
- Status