Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life

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godelsmetric said:
I was a bit surprised that he could actually
get to Skaro, to be honest. I assumed that it was stuck in the Time War?
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The PC Adventure games are considered to be fully in cannon by the BBC and were explicitly said to be so at the time. "Should be considered four additional episodes of the series..." I believe was the exact quote at the time, while Moffat was showrunner.

And one of them is set on
Skaro...
 
Mindwipe said:
The PC Adventure games are considered to be fully in cannon by the BBC and were explicitly said to be so at the time. "Should be considered four additional episodes of the series..." I believe was the exact quote at the time, while Moffat was showrunner.

And one of them is set on
Skaro...
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Shame they suck.

But yeah, the Time War was Davies's way of rebooting the series, and even he tried to rectify it. It's canon, but it shouldn't restrict the stories that can be told.
 
Dr Zhivago said:
Also, those Dalek nanomachines seem a bit powerful - why don't they just drop them on every planet they want to invade?
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Because they don't want converts, they want corpses. Just because they've realized that they occasionally NEED converts, doesn't mean they're going to go crazy with the whole thing.
 
OK, just watched Asylum again, and the Daleks' motives for using the Doctor in the Asylum are a hell of a lot clearer once you know that Oswin's a Dalek.

The broadcast of Carmen was done by a Dalek. It was carried by a Dalek frequency. To the minds of the Dalek Parliament, this meant that the insane Daleks had the capability to manipulate the pathweb. As a result, any Dalek taskforce that was sent down to the Asylum was vulnerable to whatever the Asylum Daleks could cook up. They had no idea that the Daleks were dormant and the broadcast was benign. So, they had a force that was capable of stopping any Daleks in their tracks, a force that, as the end of the episode shows, was entirely capable of influencing all the Daleks. Of course they're going to be terrified! If they can't send a Dalek, send the Predator instead, and, if he gets blown up along with the Asylum, all the better.

What I thought was a jarring plothole actually makes perfect sense once you know about Oswin's fate and the pathweb.
 
Inanna said:
I've been watching David Tennants series again and I think I saw Karen Gillan in the second episode of series 4, Fires of Pompeii! :o
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What? Where?

I hate to be that guy but I was kind of hoping for a more emotional destruction of the Pond marriage where it cannot be patched and the Doctor, who was so sure he could fix it, and ended up fixing it, would be devastated that he failed and destroyed another companion and would spend the rest of the season with that guilt. In fact I was certain that was how they were going to leave the show. Kind of seems weird to even put the divorce into the show at all if it was really not part of the plot at all and could have easily been left out.

I just want my TV to make me feel emotions for once, dammit!

Other than that, it was amazing. Wow. Cannot wait to watch it again shortly. And next week looks much more fun. And I cannot wait to see how and when the new companion is finally introduced proper. It's interesting that they had her in this first episode. So it makes you wonder how they're going to turn her into the real thing later on.

So what's the schedule here? How many episodes are we getting before Christmas and how many after and when I wonder? And will these first episodes be in a row with no breaks?
 
The Real Abed said:
What? Where?
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She's one of the fire priestesses, under some fancy makeup.

But nothing tops Peter Purves who played a tourist and new companion Steven Taylor in two different episodes of the same story, simply because the production team liked his initial performance. There's a long Doctor Who tradition of recycling actors into companions, but bringing in Jenna-Louise Coleman as guest cast is clearly something a bit less spontaneous.
 
Green Scar said:
The real answer though is that the Time War is pretty much a relic of an old era of Who and Moffat doesn't give a shit. The Daleks are established as nomads nowadays, Skaro has long been fucked up even before the revival, and explanations aren't really needed.
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And, for that matter, destroyed.
 
Exterminieren said:
Whatever you end up watching, Mariolee, I can't recommend certain episodes highly enough. In no particular order...

Any Steven Moffat episode (The Empty Child two-parter, The Girl in the Fireplace, Blink, Silence in the Library two-parter), particularly as they set up a lot of themes for Moffat's era.
Any Paul Cornell episode (Father's Day, Human Nature two-parter)
Midnight
The Waters of Mars
The End of the World
Gridlock
Dalek
The Impossible Planet two-parter
The Fires of Pompeii
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Add "The Girl Who Waited" from season 6.
 
tuffy said:
She's one of the fire priestesses, under some fancy makeup.

But nothing tops Peter Purves who played a tourist and new companion Steven Taylor in two different episodes of the same story, simply because the production team liked his initial performance. There's a long Doctor Who tradition of recycling actors into companions, but bringing in Jenna-Louise Coleman as guest cast is clearly something a bit less spontaneous.
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Don't forget Nicholas Courtney appearing in First Doctor stories "The Crusade" and "The Daleks' Master Plan" before he became the Brigadier.
Jean Marsh, who played the short-lived companion Sara Kingdom in "The Daleks' Master Plan" would show up in a different role in the story "Battlefield"
As a bonus, look up Michael Sheard.
 
slightconfuse said:
Moffiat has thrown the RTD era out the window really
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I really don't understand why anyone says this. Fan speculation about the cracks erasing the RTD era, Moffat has shown at least as much respect for RTD continuity as RTD ever did.

If it's just characters not returning that busts your balls about it, that's because RTD's era was so popular that constant direct references and recurring characters from it would diminish the new team's version. Problems that almost certainly plagued the Doctors immediately after Tom Baker.

As someone pointed out, Skaro was destroyed before the RTD era. This is either Skaro before it was destroyed (when it was abandoned) or the time war somehow popped it back into existence. It was there in the 1996 movie, but, well, yeah. There's never been any indication Skaro was involved in the time war.
 
tuffy said:
She's one of the fire priestesses, under some fancy makeup.

But nothing tops Peter Purves who played a tourist and new companion Steven Taylor in two different episodes of the same story, simply because the production team liked his initial performance. There's a long Doctor Who tradition of recycling actors into companions, but bringing in Jenna-Louise Coleman as guest cast is clearly something a bit less spontaneous.
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BatDan said:
Don't forget Nicholas Courtney appearing in First Doctor stories "The Crusade" and "The Daleks' Master Plan" before he became the Brigadier.
Jean Marsh, who played the short-lived companion Sara Kingdom in "The Daleks' Master Plan" would show up in a different role in the story "Battlefield"
As a bonus, look up Michael Sheard.
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And Colin Baker playing a Time Lord a few years before he became the Sixth Doctor.
 
lunarworks said:
Finally got to watch the episode tonight. I promised my stepdaughter I wouldn't watch it until she got back from the cottage.

We went nuts. We already have all sorts of theories, probably which have already been discussed in here.

Also, for us old Doctor Who fans from Ontario, BlotTO brings us down memory lane:

http://www.blogto.com/city/2012/09/that_time_when_doctor_who_educated_ontario/

(I had no clue that the creator of Doctor Who was from Toronto.)
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Awesome find.
 
So I just realized something. If the transmission of the Silence in Day of the Moon told all the humans that have ever watched the moon landing to kill the Silence ON SIGHT, why didn't Amy right when she saw the Silent on the beach go after it to kill it? Or why didn't she kill the Silent in the White House, or in the Lodger?
 
Mariolee said:
So I just realized something. If the transmission of the Silence in Day of the Moon told all the humans that have ever watched the moon landing to kill the Silence ON SIGHT, why didn't Amy right when she saw the Silent on the beach go after it to kill it? Or why didn't she kill the Silent in the White House, or in the Lodger?
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Hadn't happened yet. We follow as the events happen... sometimes.
 
*sigh* I long for the days where Partners in Crime was the level of quality i could expect from a Doctor Who premiere...

Just kidding!

That was awesome. I was pretty much grinning from beginning to end. Easily the best dalek episode since Dalek.

Loved Oswin and i'm looking forward to seeing how Moffat integrates her into the cast.
 
Spotless Mind said:
*sigh* I long for the days where Partners in Crime was the level of quality i could expect from a Doctor Who premiere...

Just kidding!

That was awesome. I was pretty much grinning from beginning to end. Easily the best dalek episode since Dalek.

Loved Oswin and i'm looking forward to seeing how Moffat integrates her into the cast.
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Hey, I like Partners in Crime. Donna was awesome, and how can you not love the adipose?
 
Much better opener than last series. Not that last year stank, but the whole "Doctor dies" thing was obviously going to end in a dodge of some sort and killed the tension in the rest of the series. Here, it's much less predictable.

Even having watched Pond Life, the divorce thing kinda seemed forced, but I think it's better than the alternative (having it stretched into its own episode).

Green Scar said:
One question: was there any significance to the people Amy saw dancing? I thought I saw the surviving woman from The Almost People, and the first to praise from The God Complex.
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Since they show Oswin being basically encased in the Dalek shell, it's entirely possible that those Daleks were also converted people and Amy was seeing them as they used to be (the Doctor mentions that the nano-whatsits have "altered her perception."). Actually, I suspect it's nothing more than a very clever hint about the reveal at the end of the episode (Amy saw the other Daleks as human, just like we saw Oswin as human).
 
Exterminieren said:
The Doctor's Wife wins the Hugo for Short-Form Dramatic Presentation, and Gaiman announces that he's writing a new episode.
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It's one of, if not the, best episode of Series 6.

Spotless Mind said:
*sigh* I long for the days where Partners in Crime was the level of quality i could expect from a Doctor Who premiere...

Just kidding!
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Thing is, Partners in Crime WAS a good premier, probably largely in part because it was more like a companion reintroduction episode and it didn't take itself too seriously while still laying the groundwork for the rest of the series (like the disappearing planets).
 
A strong start. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I thought last season on the whole was pretty shit after an outstanding season 5. This was a nice, tidy episode with a twist that pulled at the heartstrings. Rory, Amy and as an extension of that River Song can't be gone soon enough however - can't wait until Christmas.
 
Unpopular opinion time: I can't wait until I never have to see River Song again. Disliked her character from the moment she showed up in Series 5 (I liked her as a one-off character in Silence in the Library, mind you).
 
Exterminieren said:
The Doctor's Wife wins the Hugo for Short-Form Dramatic Presentation, and Gaiman announces that he's writing a new episode.
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Awesome! Totally deserved.

Seraphis Cain said:
Unpopular opinion time: I can't wait until I never have to see River Song again. Disliked her character from the moment she showed up in Series 5 (I liked her as a one-off character in Silence in the Library, mind you).
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I think River was best in Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead and The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone. She still had mystery to her and she was someone that showed up every now and then. Everything she appeared in after just got worse and worse. Series 6 in general was just a clusterfuck. All the standalone episodes without River were much better, simply because all the episodes with River were trying to do too much.

I still maintain the biggest problem with River was Moffat for some reason decided to jam her entire backstory/reveal of who she was into series six as the main plot arc. If River had just stayed to guest appearances once every now and then she would have been a much more intriguing character. Actually, she would have been a much better character if she hadn't been linked to Amy/Rory at all.
 
Incendiary said:
Awesome! Totally deserved.



I think River was best in Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead and The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone. She still had mystery to her and she was someone that showed up every now and then. Everything she appeared in after just got worse and worse. Series 6 in general was just a clusterfuck. All the standalone episodes without River were much better, simply because all the episodes with River were trying to do too much.

I still maintain the biggest problem with River was Moffat for some reason decided to jam her entire backstory/reveal of who she was into series six as the main plot arc. If River had just stayed to guest appearances once every now and then she would have been a much more intriguing character. Actually, she would have been a much better character if she hadn't been linked to Amy/Rory at all.
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If they had spread her plot arc over about three seasons that would have been something... I basically agree with you on everything there.

I'm imagining spending more time with Mel. That would've been grand. There's so much to work with with 'time traveller meeting out of order'...
 
8bit said:
I wonder if he's going to try and get the Corsair in this one?
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He dead, son

gblues said:
Since they show Oswin being basically encased in the Dalek shell, it's entirely possible that those Daleks were also converted people and Amy was seeing them as they used to be (the Doctor mentions that the nano-whatsits have "altered her perception."). Actually, I suspect it's nothing more than a very clever hint about the reveal at the end of the episode (Amy saw the other Daleks as human, just like we saw Oswin as human).
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I thought the girl with red hair spinning around like a ballerina was the Dalek converted daughter of the woman that lured The Doctor to Skaro.
 
SuicidalSteve said:
So Eggs-Stir-Min-Eight

Min-Eight Minutes for make a souffle?

Oh my Gawd!
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Fuck. Plot hole reappears. Only chance to get rid of it is to assume this is part of Oswin not wanting to be a Dalek, so not recognising Eggs-Stir-Min-Eight. Probably went for "EXTERMINFIFTEEN!" or something like that.
 
phisheep said:
Fuck. Plot hole reappears. Only chance to get rid of it is to assume this is part of Oswin not wanting to be a Dalek, so not recognising Eggs-Stir-Min-Eight. Probably went for "EXTERMINFIFTEEN!" or something like that.
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Or she might have made the souffle more the 'Min-Eight' so that she wont have to remember those words in the end! That is probably why them souffle's burned all the time. To keep her humanity at check
 
God I missed those heart wrenching final twist. That's doctor who for me.

Also I fell in love with Oswin. Kinda hoped she could have been the new companion. I like Amy but we've already seen her a lot, and her being part of the central plotline/the solution to the universe or to the doctor will probably be the "one time too much" for me.
 
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