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Okay, maybe some one more up on their Who can help clear up my confusion about the Daleks. I only really really got into Who thanks to the new series, so I may have gotten some things wrong.

The 9th Doctor said that all the Daleks where wiped out/time locked in the last war along with the Time Lord's. The 9th then comes across a lone Dalek locked under ground but it destroys its self, so no more Daleks.

The 9th then discovers that Dalek emperor is still alive and now has recreated the Dalek race using humans. Not true Daleks but close enough. Rose goes godlike and wipes out all of the Daleks and the Dalek emperor. No more daleks

The 10th discovers that the only remaining Daleks where in "null" space that then crossed over with the cybermen from another universe. The 10th does an ass pull all of the Daleks get sucked back into null space., no more Daleks.... except Dalek Kahn who time jumps back from 1940's new york to the last time war, and rescues Davros from the "jaws of the nightmare child" but goes mad from being exposed to the time rift.

Davros uses his own body and tissue to recreate "True" Daleks and builds an new Dalek empire. They steal 27 planets in a plan to wipe out all creation, but the mad Dalek Kahn schemes behind everyone back to finally end the Daleks because he judged them too evil to exist anymore.

Dalek Kahn convinces the 10th "meta-crisis" Doctor to turn the reality bomb against the Daleks so all of the Daleks along with Davros are wiped out. So it seems that finally there are no more Daleks, anywhere! Finally!

Then the 11th Doctor finds some Daleks working for Winston Churchill during WWII! What the fuck!?

Where the fuck did these Daleks come from? Where where they hiding? Then these Daleks where destroyed by some new Daleks because they weren't pure enough. And these new Daleks seemed to have been wiped out when the pandorica opened. And now there seems to be literally thousands of Daleks running around in time and space. WTF?

 

[Android18a]

Wibbly wobbly something something.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

3) There are a mix of RTD-era Daleks and the new hideous neon redesign, when it's been pretty much established that the two types of Daleks should hate each other in one of my favorite stories in the original Who:

Dr Rachel Jensen: Now, Doctor, will you please answer one question? Why are two Dalek factions fighting each other?
Doctor: Ace?
Ace: It's simple, isn't it? Renegade Daleks are blobs—
Doctor: *puzzled disapproval* Blobs?
Ace: —, Imperial Daleks are bionic blobs with bits added. Well, you can tell that Daleks are into racial purity, so one lot of Daleks reckon that the other lot of blobs are too different. They're mutants. Not pure in their blobbiness.
Doctor: Result?
Ace: They hate each others' chromosomes. To death.
-- From TVTropes "Remembrance of the Daleks" quotes page

Unless they found a spare cache of daleks somewhere, I suspect they created the new ones themselves, so there shouldn't be a problem there.

That, and, y'know, the Moffat episode where the redesign happened.

Then the 11th Doctor finds some Daleks working for Winston Churchill during WWII! What the fuck!?

Where the fuck did these Daleks come from? Where where they hiding? Then these Daleks where destroyed by some new Daleks because they weren't pure enough. And these new Daleks seemed to have been wiped out when the pandorica opened. And now there seems to be literally thousands of Daleks running around in time and space. WTF?

Always assumed the victory daleks were bad wolf survivors killed for being human.

 

[ScreenSplitter]

Okay, maybe some one more up on their Who can help clear up my confusion about the Daleks. I only really really got into Who thanks to the new series, so I may have gotten some things wrong.

The 9th Doctor said that all the Daleks where wiped out/time locked in the last war along with the Time Lord's. The 9th then comes across a lone Dalek locked under ground but it destroys its self, so no more Daleks.

The 9th then discovers that Dalek emperor is still alive and now has recreated the Dalek race using humans. Not true Daleks but close enough. Rose goes godlike and wipes out all of the Daleks and the Dalek emperor. No more daleks

The 10th discovers that the only remaining Daleks where in "null" space that then crossed over with the cybermen from another universe. The 10th does an ass pull all of the Daleks get sucked back into null space., no more Daleks.... except Dalek Kahn who time jumps back from 1940's new york to the last time war, and rescues Davros from the "jaws of the nightmare child" but goes mad from being exposed to the time rift.

Davros uses his own body and tissue to recreate "True" Daleks and builds an new Dalek empire. They steal 27 planets in a plan to wipe out all creation, but the mad Dalek Kahn schemes behind everyone back to finally end the Daleks because he judged them too evil to exist anymore.

Dalek Kahn convinces the 10th "meta-crisis" Doctor to turn the reality bomb against the Daleks so all of the Daleks along with Davros are wiped out. So it seems that finally there are no more Daleks, anywhere! Finally!

Then the 11th Doctor finds some Daleks working for Winston Churchill during WWII! What the fuck!?

Where the fuck did these Daleks come from? Where where they hiding? Then these Daleks where destroyed by some new Daleks because they weren't pure enough. And these new Daleks seemed to have been wiped out when the pandorica opened. And now there seems to be literally thousands of Daleks running around in time and space. WTF?

In conclusion, RTD is as short-sighted a storyteller as fuck.

 

[Gregorn]

Start from the 2005 season, yea. All you need to know is that The Doctor is a crazy guy in a big time traveling blue box and you're set!

And if you're finding those episodes too cheesy just skip to the start of season 5, which is the start of the 11th Doctor.

 

[Locke_211]

Wasn't there at least a council of the Daleks in the past? I assume this is an evolution if that.

North Korea is governered by a democratically elected parliament on paper, so I wouldn't worry about a dalek parliament watering them down

 

[mclem]

No, no, I meant more when she was guiding the Doctor and Rory around the asylum. Wouldn't they have -logically- heard her native tongue then rather than the voice she thinks she has?

That's assuming she's actually speaking. If we accept that she's tapped into the mainframe, then presumably she can output audio in whatever format 'comes naturally' to her.

That is, all her communication beamed around the planet is electronic; it's only in person that her actual *voice* comes into play.

 

[Dr Zhivago]

In conclusion, RTD is as short-sighted a storyteller as fuck.

It's the Moffat-era Daleks he's complaining about.

Daleks are great survivors, you just have to assume the Ironsides Daleks were hiding somwehere. And of course from their point of view, thousands of years may have passed between Victory & Asylum - plenty of time to clone/construct more Daleks.

 

[evilwart]

Okay, maybe some one more up on their Who can help clear up my confusion about the Daleks. I only really really got into Who thanks to the new series, so I may have gotten some things wrong.

The 9th Doctor said that all the Daleks where wiped out/time locked in the last war along with the Time Lord's. The 9th then comes across a lone Dalek locked under ground but it destroys its self, so no more Daleks.

The 9th then discovers that Dalek emperor is still alive and now has recreated the Dalek race using humans. Not true Daleks but close enough. Rose goes godlike and wipes out all of the Daleks and the Dalek emperor. No more daleks

The 10th discovers that the only remaining Daleks where in "null" space that then crossed over with the cybermen from another universe. The 10th does an ass pull all of the Daleks get sucked back into null space., no more Daleks.... except Dalek Kahn who time jumps back from 1940's new york to the last time war, and rescues Davros from the "jaws of the nightmare child" but goes mad from being exposed to the time rift.

Davros uses his own body and tissue to recreate "True" Daleks and builds an new Dalek empire. They steal 27 planets in a plan to wipe out all creation, but the mad Dalek Kahn schemes behind everyone back to finally end the Daleks because he judged them too evil to exist anymore.

Dalek Kahn convinces the 10th "meta-crisis" Doctor to turn the reality bomb against the Daleks so all of the Daleks along with Davros are wiped out. So it seems that finally there are no more Daleks, anywhere! Finally!

Then the 11th Doctor finds some Daleks working for Winston Churchill during WWII! What the fuck!?

Where the fuck did these Daleks come from? Where where they hiding? Then these Daleks where destroyed by some new Daleks because they weren't pure enough. And these new Daleks seemed to have been wiped out when the pandorica opened. And now there seems to be literally thousands of Daleks running around in time and space. WTF?

Dalek are always popping up out of nowhere, with very little reasoning. Maybe they were from the Void? Loads of Cyberman and Dalek were trapped there in "Doomsday" and some of the Cybermen escaped in "The Next Doctor", so I guess the Dalek could too.

 

[radioheadrule83]

In conclusion, RTD is as short-sighted a storyteller as fuck.

His obsession with finality in villain comeuppance was ridiculous. Everything and everyone had to die in some ridiculous THIS PLOT THREAD THREATENS THE FABRIC OF TIME AND EXISTENCE type story.

He basically tried to fuck off the Daleks, Davros and The Master - three of the series' long standing villains. The Gallifreyans too... I was never their biggest fan in the old series tbh, but Timothy Dalton and co showed they could be good IMO... and of course... all killed / trapped in the time war for eternity or something.

 

[RetroMG]

Dalek Kahn convinces the 10th "meta-crisis" Doctor to turn the reality bomb against the Daleks so all of the Daleks along with Davros are wiped out. So it seems that finally there are no more Daleks, anywhere! Finally!

Then the 11th Doctor finds some Daleks working for Winston Churchill during WWII! What the fuck!?

Where the fuck did these Daleks come from? Where where they hiding? Then these Daleks where destroyed by some new Daleks because they weren't pure enough. And these new Daleks seemed to have been wiped out when the pandorica opened. And now there seems to be literally thousands of Daleks running around in time and space. WTF?

If my memory serves, there are a few pieces missing here. I don't think what 10.5 did involved the Reality Bomb. That had been his plan, but Davros destroyed his machine to make it work. What he did was just some kind of feedback loop, I think, to destroy all the Daleks in that sector. So, possible but still unlikely that there would be survivors, but the implication is that those survivors are who 11 runs into in Victory.

New Daleks were wiped out when the Pandorica opened, but Amy remembered them back into existence when the Doctor rebooted the universe. What's really odd is what someone pointed out earlier - Why are the Skittles Daleks willing to work alongside the RTD Daleks, when they were earlier destroying them for being "impure." Further, that destruction in Victory goes againast the Dalek Prime Ministers speech about Divine Hatred.

But in the end, go the with MST3K's advice: Repeat to yourself it's just a show, and you should really just relax.

 

[Mr. Sam]

Enough of the goddamn Daleks! That's what I think.

 

[The Elite]

Enough of the goddamn Daleks! That's what I think.

They've been used pretty well in the Moffat series. Only two episodes that have actually focused on them as a villain.

 

[tuffy]

What's interesting is that the fresh Daleks are all the RTD-style "copper and bronze" variety. That's probably a reaction to the redesign's mixed reception - and an effort to give the merchandise-buying public the Daleks they like.

 

[Mr. Sam]

Yeah, it definitely feels like some back-pedalling has gone on.

I'm grateful that their entire species doesn't get extinguished at the end of one episode and magicked back into existence the next, but I've still grown weary of them showing up constantly. It's certainly a better situation than every series finale being RTD one-upping himself with the number of Daleks he can fit on screen at once though, yeah.

This was a good episode.

 

[twobear]

Dalek 1: "I stand on the platform of EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! the deficit!"

Dalek 2: "Daleks have no concept of a budget."

 

[Regulus Tera]

Asylum of the Daleks was the best Dalek story since, umm, Dalek.

That's a lotta Daleks. Also: I fell back in love with Moffat again.

 

[Htown]

what makes you guys think the Dalek Parliament is democratically elected?

 

[Mr. Sam]

what makes you guys think the Dalek Parliament is democratically elected?

They probably just sit there all day and yell "EXTERMINATE!" all day anyway. It's like if the Conservatives held all the seats in Westminster.

 

[The Elite]

What do Daleks do in their spare time?

 

[Protome]

Definitely one of the better written Dalek episodes since the show started again.


I wonder if this series we'll learn why the Tardis exploded.

 

[Protome]

What do Daleks do in their spare time?

Write Poetry

 

[ultron87]

I wonder if this series we'll learn why the Tardis exploded.

Is that a question still? It thought it was clear that the Silence did it as Plan A to get rid of the Doctor.

 

[RichardAM]

I wonder if this series we'll learn why the Tardis exploded.

I thought it was because of The Silence?

 

[Protome]

Is that a question still? It thought it was clear that the Silence did it as Plan A to get rid of the Doctor.

I thought it was because of The Silence?

What, when was this explained?

 

[ScreenSplitter]

What, when was this explained?

Well right before it exploded we heard "Silence will fall"

 

[HolyCheck]

silly question.. i may have missed something..

but who are the silence?

 

[tnaden]

silly question.. i may have missed something..

but who are the silence?

Missed the previous season did you?

EDIT: Totally missed the joke didn't I...

 

[HolyCheck]

Missed the previous season did you?

ohhhh now it makes sense. TY

 

[RichardAM]

silly question.. i may have missed something..

but who are the silence?

I wanted to say that it was very clever you'd forgotten them and it was a great joke but then I was worried you had genuinely forgotten

 

[HolyCheck]

silly question.. i may have missed something..

but who are the silence?

*giggles*

 

[Quick]

silly question.. i may have missed something..

but who are the silence?

*giggles*

They like falling.

 

[mrklaw]

Well right before it exploded we heard "Silence will fall"

Was it explained how they explode the tardis? I remember some connection with the silence but very little seemed explained other than 'ooh you forget them when you turn away'

 

[Mariolee]

Was it explained how they explode the tardis? I remember some connection with the silence but very little seemed explained other than 'ooh you forget them when you turn away'

I answered this a few pages back:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=41681688#post41681688

 

[radioheadrule83]

What, when was this explained?

I don't believe it was, actually - http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Time_Field

but I doubt they'll ever revisit the cause of the explosion explicitly. The TARDIS explosion is what caused the cracks and increasing problems in the Universe, a threat to everything, which is why beings were cooperating to bring down the Doctor in the first place -- so I don't believe the Silence would have willfully caused the explosion. The "silence will fall" voice wasn't properly explained either... I wanted to believe that they had some kind of higher being / enemy behind everything, but it just didn't materialise...

of course, the Silence are supposedly those who want to stop the Doctor reaching Trenzalore, so we may revisit some of this nonsense then, near the end of 11's tenure...

I just kind of hope if they do ever revisit it, that they execute it better, and I hope that this "fields of Trenzalore", "a question will be asked" etc mystery stuff isn't another let down

 

[The Technomancer]

I just kind of hope if they do ever revisit it, that they execute it better, and I hope that this "fields of Trenzalore", "a question will be asked" etc mystery stuff isn't another let down

I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

I don't believe it was, actually - http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Time_Field

but I doubt they'll ever revisit the cause of the explosion explicitly. The TARDIS explosion is what caused the cracks and increasing problems in the Universe, a threat to everything, which is why beings were cooperating to bring down the Doctor in the first place -- so I don't believe the Silence would have willfully caused the explosion. The "silence will fall" voice wasn't properly explained either... I wanted to believe that they had some kind of higher being / enemy behind everything, but it just didn't materialise...

omega

believe

 

[Bossun]

I do hope the silence will come back. So many questions left unanswered.

 

[ScreenSplitter]

omega

believe

NOT AGAIN D:

 

[Locke_211]

I don't believe it was, actually - http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Time_Field

but I doubt they'll ever revisit the cause of the explosion explicitly. The TARDIS explosion is what caused the cracks and increasing problems in the Universe, a threat to everything, which is why beings were cooperating to bring down the Doctor in the first place -- so I don't believe the Silence would have willfully caused the explosion. The "silence will fall" voice wasn't properly explained either... I wanted to believe that they had some kind of higher being / enemy behind everything, but it just didn't materialise...

of course, the Silence are supposedly those who want to stop the Doctor reaching Trenzalore, so we may revisit some of this nonsense then, near the end of 11's tenure...

But that's exactly why the Silence *would* have wilfully caused the explosion - because it's what makes all the other races conspire to lock him in the Pandorica. The Silence want to ensure silence falls when the question is asked, by making sure the Doctor isn't present to answer the question. So plan one is to get him locked up forever. Plan two is to kill him.

This also fits the explanation of them manipulating other races to do what they want that's given in "Day of the Moon".

 

[Regulus Tera]

Am I the only one who thought the new companion was gonna be a

Spoiler

Dalek

? That would have been gutsy.

 

[DrForester]

Am I the only one who thought the new companion was gonna be a

Spoiler

Dalek

? That would have been gutsy.

I'd like for her to retain part of the Dalek mind. Could be very, very interesting. We need an alien (or even half alien) companion.

 

[The Technomancer]

I'd like for her to retain part of the Dalek mind. Could be very, very interesting. We need an alien (or even half alien) companion.

Alien or half-alien would be good, I'm already happy that she's not from contemporary Earth

 

[King of the Potato People]

Slightly off topic, but first water on Mars, then Midnight, and now....Gallifrey!

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/331857

I thought it was time locked.

 

[Regulus Tera]

I'd like for her to retain part of the Dalek mind. Could be very, very interesting. We need an alien (or even half alien) companion.

Spoiler

It would have been great to have Dalek Oswin argue with the Doctor inside the TARDIS with that staccato voice, not to mention the awkwardness of having the Time Lord trekking along Earth's quarries with a full fledged functioning weapon of mass destruction.

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU DANCED DOCTOR

 

[gabbo]

of course, the Silence are supposedly those who want to stop the Doctor reaching Trenzalore, so we may revisit some of this nonsense then, near the end of 11's tenure...

I just kind of hope if they do ever revisit it, that they execute it better, and I hope that this "fields of Trenzalore", "a question will be asked" etc mystery stuff isn't another let down

I wouldn't hold my breath on that. Moffatt doesn't seem to mind leaving seemingly important threads hanging loose.

 

[Quick]

I thought it was time locked.

 

[The Technomancer]

Rewatching Army of Ghosts, I think this episode is a lot better then its sometimes given credit for.

 

[Exterminieren]

Dinosaurs on a Spaceship preview clip.

Also, the scaly logo is present at the top of the page.

 

[R_thanatos]

is there any queen that hasn't fallen to the doctor , yet ?