Does anyone else not give a shit about comics

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Honestly to the people who say comics are shit, my suggestion is for you to read Nocenti's Catwoman. That was legit one of the best books I've read. It's probably better than that trash Brubaker run.
 
Not a fan overall. I can't take them seriously because of the joke plots, and the fact that they never end. I know there are some deeper ones out there like Sandman, but I can't be bothered to look any deeper.
 
It's funny, sometimes the net makes me feel like the only person in the world who enjoys the MCU without an inkling of awareness of the comics on which it is based.

And then I realize, this just makes me part of the casual mainstream that's fronting billions on these things.

It took me until October 2012 to get into the MCU, though, because I was convinced for years that I wouldn't care. The last superhero movie I had seen up until then was X-Men 3, which, boy did I hate that movie big time. For six years I was convinced the genre was never going to be for me.

I'd still prefer my space to take off again, and I'm hopeful new Star Wars is the catalyst for that. But when stacked up next to vampires and zombies? I'm finding superpowers superior.
 
Serious question. Marvel and DC seem to of never been bigger among gaf and the wider public.

Does anyone else out there maintain zero interest in the whole concept or is it just me?

Ever heard of Image or Valiant? Typically this is where readers go if Marvel/DC is not their flavor. I don't understand people not liking comics but liking movies, because most studio movies get turned into "comics" via storyboarding before any film is shot, so when you read a comic it's really just like you're seeing a movie that hasn't been filmed yet.
 
Honestly to the people who say comics are shit, my suggestion is for you to read Nocenti's Catwoman. That was legit one of the best books I've read. It's probably better than that trash Brubaker run.

No way. Jurgen and Krul's Green Arrow run defines our generation.
 
Never have, not even as a kid. I suppose I did love the Sunday newspaper comics, Far Side is easily my favorite. Seeing the comic book movies that are so well regarded, and thinking they are total crap, has turned me off from getting into more traditional super hero books. Some of the more independent stuff might catch my eye, but that's about it.
 
Doesn't Matt Fraction just write hipster comics that never even come out? I tried reading that Cassanova book he did and it made no sense and was kinda dreadful.

Dude, they're all just masturabatory wish fulfillment stories. He clearly writes himself in as the main character in all of his work, it's so painfully obvious.
 
Doesn't Matt Fraction just write hipster comics that never even come out? I tried reading that Cassanova book he did and it made no sense and was kinda dreadful.

Well he did write a pretty iconic Immortal Iron Fist run and a pretty decent Iron Man run and an excellent Hawkeye run, so no.
 
I'm with you, OP. I like several comics and graphic novels (like Preacher, Transmetropolitan and Y: The Last Man among my favourites), but I absolutely hate everything related to superheroes, the DC and Marvel universes, etc. All zzzzz trash to me.
 
Where's that one Spidey pic where Sauron just wants to make a master race of dinosaurs or something like that? That alone makes comics amazing.
 
Depends, but Marvel and DC comics don't make any lick of sense from one series to the next. One kind of Super Man can sneeze planets away while another can't beat Batman.
 
Well he did write a pretty iconic Immortal Iron Fist run and a pretty decent Iron Man run and an excellent Hawkeye run, so no.

Haha, I dunno about that Hawkeye run being so "iconic". Dude was so bad they had to bring in another guy to finish it, right? Looks like his name is Jeff Lemire--never read his stuff, tho. Man, looks like they even rebooted it back to #1.
 
I read Bleach for about 3 months. And now I follow Jojo. And I bought a Green Latern comic once in like 1981. Do those count?

Oh wait, I watched that Batman cartoon in the 90s, but, you know, like everyone and their Mom liked Batman in the 90s.

I just don't really care one way or the other, so I follow next to nothing and don't pretend to.
 
but it could be. do you believe that the best video game story could never be better than the worst movie's?

The best writers don't work on video games or comics or comic book based movies. Could they one day? I guess so. After all that's what happened with television, where the quality has gone up considerably over the last decade or so. But why would they? They don't hand out Oscars for best video game, and they don't hand out Nobel prizes for best comic book. It would take a pretty major shift.

but it could be. do you believe that the best video game story could never be better than the worst movie's?

Hopefully they're better than that even now, but that is an incredibly low bar. I'd also never watch the worst movies. People have a limited amount of time for entertainment, why waste it on "better than the worst movies"?
 
Do children read Marvel and DC comics anymore? The only people I see reading these comics anymore are mostly men in there 30's and above. I see children consume the cartoons, movies, and games but never the comics.
 
Haha, I dunno about that Hawkeye run being so "iconic". Dude was so bad they had to bring in another guy to finish it, right? Looks like his name is Jeff Lemire--never read his stuff, tho. Man, looks like they even rebooted it back to #1.

No, no and no.

Jeff Lemire is doing another Hawkeye book. I believe his and Fraction's book ran concurrently for a month or two
 
I went through a brief period of comic book collecting, but that was more than a decade ago.

Currently I couldn't care less about them, though I do enjoy most of the comics-based television shows. I feel like I'm right on the edge of being sick of the Marvel films--simply too many too similar bores.

Still have a couple thousand books in longboxes in my basement.
 
"Hey GAF! I don't like ___! ISN'T THAT WIERD?!"

No. Different people like different things. You're not special, OP. But whatevs, I'm sure this thread is just going to turn into another discussion about whether comics are art and capes are bringing the medium down. Imma just sit back and watch.
 
I never heard of comic books until this thread. Static images on paper used to tell a story? Incredible! I gotta get into this, thanks OP.
 
It's not that I don't give a shit about them, it's just that I chuckle at, and then ignore those silly picture books. While they have cute morality tales for preteens, and have a certain amount of dignity in their own small way, I prefer to read real literature written by and for grownups whose artistry actually make a difference within our culture. You know, the type of stuff that requires complex thought and isn't likely to have toys made from its characters.
 
That's like saying video games are the same as movies.
Sure the writing in Metal Gear is pretty much on the same level as the Coen brothers...

it's nothing like saying that and it seems you have a very narrow perspective on the breadth and scope of comic writing.

Spiegelman's Maus was published in 1980, and there are countless more examples, and people still think of comics this way. Shit's tragic.

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The best writers don't work on video games or comics or comic book based movies. Could they one day? I guess so. After all that's what happened with television, where the quality has gone up considerably over the last decade or so. But why would they? They don't hand out Oscars for best video game, and they don't hand out Nobel prizes for best comic book. It would take a pretty major shift.

Seriously, could you imagine a Pulitzer Prize winning author lowering themselves to writing a mere comic book?! It would never happen!
 
The best writers don't work on video games or comics or comic book based movies. Could they one day? I guess so. After all that's what happened with television, where the quality has gone up considerably over the last decade or so. But why would they? They don't hand out Oscars for best video game, and they don't hand out Nobel prizes for best comic book. It would take a pretty major shift.

I hope that the best authors are more interested in having their stories told than winning awards for it.To circle back to the original topic, there are book writers who also write comic books.
 
Do children read Marvel and DC comics anymore? The only people I see reading these comics anymore are mostly men in there 30's and above. I see children consume the cartoons, movies, and games but never the comics.


The main line books grew up a while ago and aren't that kid-friendly. Marvel has a separate line for young readers that's closer to what you'd expect in their cartoons.
 
It's not that I don't give a shit about them, it's just that I chuckle at, and then ignore those silly picture books. While they have cute morality tales for preteens, and have a certain amount of dignity in their own small way, I prefer to read real literature written by and for grownups whose artistry actually make a difference within our culture. You know, the type of stuff that requires complex thought and isn't likely to have toys made from its characters.

This one is my favorite.
 
I use to gave a shit...nowadays I give a shitless about them.

I was a huge DC/Vertigo head a while ago, but I don't know what happen. I guess I grew out of the passion.
 
it's nothing like saying that and it seems you have a very narrow perspective on the breadth and scope of comic writing.

Spiegelman's Maus was published in 1980, and there are countless more examples, and people still think of comics this way. Shit's tragic.

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You mean that Shia Lebeouf movie?
 
I've tried and I've tried and I've tried to get "into" superheroes but I just can't manage it. The comics, the films, the TV shows, they all just do nothing for me.

Comics, though, I still enjoy. The Preacher. Y: The Last Man. 100 Bullets. There are a lot of great comic books that have nothing to do with superheroes, OP, you should check 'em out.
 
Me too. I mean I don't have a problem with them but I have no interest in them. Films, music and novels for me. And games of course.

I did try them when I was younger but they just bored me and just seemed, well, lightweight, next to novels.

I do like the odd graphic novel though such as Watchmen or Arkham Asylum or Sin City.
 
Spiegelman's Maus was published in 1980, and there are countless more examples, and people still think of comics this way. Shit's tragic.

I own this and it's great. But that's hardly what we're talking about here when it comes to comics, it's basically a book that happened to work best as a graphic novel and I'd say it's closer to the exception than the rule. It's hardly Wolverine or any of that other superhero nonsense.
Also, please list some of the other "countless" examples, if they're anywhere near as good as Maus I will check them out.


Who said anything about the Pulitzer Prize? I said Nobel Prize, perhaps you've heard of it.
 
it's nothing like saying that and it seems you have a very narrow perspective on the breadth and scope of comic writing.

Spiegelman's Maus was published in 1980, and there are countless more examples, and people still think of comics this way. Shit's tragic.

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Now now. Respect people's right to dislike and talk shit about something they're hopelessly ignorant about.
 
The top selling comic in a given month barely cracks 100K. Special crossover stuff like a Star Wars #1 will hit 250K, and then drop off the cliff on subsequent issues. Comics are not even close to mainstream.
Those are the exceptions. Average comic sales are really sad. Based on the lousy sales, there's about a bajillion people who don't give a shit about comics.

It's also unfortunate that there is still an overwhelming dominance in not just sales but beliefs that comics = superheroes. It breaks my heart to see such quality and creative non-superhero comics struggle with sales.
 
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No, no and no.

Jeff Lemire is doing another Hawkeye book. I believe his and Fraction's book ran concurrently for a month or two


Haha, that's that weird (and honestly bad) book I was talking about! Cassanova. So you're trying to tell me that Matt Fraction is such a good writer, but then why would he need a real writer to come in and save his book?

I've at least heard some people say good things about Micheal Chabon, so maybe once he takes over Cassanova I'll take another look at it.
 
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