Does anyone else not have sympathy for the X-Men?
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Tacit approval because government legal. Yep. Now you know the real reason behind AvX. Fucking hypocrites have been turning a blind eye for over 40 years....
it wasn't always a secret thing. countries were pretty open about supporting sentinel programs. IIRC it went before congress and everything. that might have been when the sentinels became manned, but i'm not sure.
This actually came up in one of the monthly comic threads, specifically here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=517524&highlight=mutant&page=35
I think the better argument is that the allegory linking racism and anti-mutant sentiment is flawed.
People that dislike a neighbor based on race, sexual preference or religion do so out of irrational hate. People that dislike a neighbor that can melt the city block because they stub their toe do so because they have common sense, but in Marvel's ham-fisted allegory we should look at both as equals. That has always seemed silly to me.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=517524&highlight=mutant&page=35
I think the better argument is that the allegory linking racism and anti-mutant sentiment is flawed.
People that dislike a neighbor based on race, sexual preference or religion do so out of irrational hate. People that dislike a neighbor that can melt the city block because they stub their toe do so because they have common sense, but in Marvel's ham-fisted allegory we should look at both as equals. That has always seemed silly to me.
yes. sexual situation.
MisterHero
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The only mutants that appear in the media are ones with cool powers. There's no ugly powerless mutants despite being the most commonplace examples.
Have some sympathy for the sewer-dwelling next step of humanity.
Have some sympathy for the sewer-dwelling next step of humanity.
Just genetically engineer the X-Gene out of existence. After all, mutants are apparently the product of genetic engineering anyways.
there was sympathy for them, Wanda cured them. Then cyclops forced it back on them.
Think that through again, I think you'd come to a different conclusion.
Makes sense since that is the entire instigation of AvX
" hey avengers there is this girl who might get the phoenix"
Avengers:" oh hell naw, she gon die"
X-Men:" whoa what whoa , first you let Miss Marvel get raped then you murder little girls , what type of super team are you? No wonder Bruce banner keeps leaving this team you guys are fucking nuts. Just quick to shoot someone into space if they are scary, or just murder people. Jesus''
Avengers: " are you trying to start a war"
X-men: "I am trying to defend my home"
Avengers " we are trying to defend the earth"
X-men: " by over reacting and murdering children"
* cyclops shoots a lazer*
Cyclops : fuck it lets go
MisterHero
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While the ends were temporarily benefitial, the Scarlet Witch "curing the mutant problem" was a selfish, worldwide manipulation resulting from her not being able to have babies with a robot.
There are mutants who claim they can time travel. If they don't like something you say or do, they can just erase you from existence. Where does it end, Chuck Xavier?
revolverjgw
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I only feel sorry for the ones that outwardly look like freaks. Otherwise I wish I was a mutant
IdreamofHIME
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Most of these people are vetted and elected to such position, mutants are just born dangerous. There's not vetting at all. Even good Mutants like Rogue and Cyclops did some crazy shit as kids, coz they didn't have control over their powers.
I dont hate them, but there should be a register....but I do understand the struggle against that, coz there's people who would use such a register to hurt them all.
...oh shit, it's almost like X-Men is political commentary on our contemporary world?!
MisterHero
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Don't even think it. One injection of mutant growth hormone and you'll end up down a long dark road.
wait what?
Sounds fine to me. Wholesome innocent robot babies outweigh a bunch of muties who have already thrown away every chance they've had and like you said, it worked out for most muties not in Cyclop's frat house.
her wearing a costume like that and being able to read minds is a dangerous combination
He could end up a cool mutate like deadpool.
it's entrapment that's for sure.
Oh you don't know about that , let me tell you a story.
So what I believe was the 200th issue of the avengers, the avengers tried to do something special. They couldn't come up with anything special so they had Miss Marvel get pregnant, so later when she has the baby ( super fast by the way) dude comes out a full grown man. Apparently at one point he had taken her to some weird alternate dimension so he could impregnate her , against her will, so he could birth himself out of that dimension. To all this the avengers go " oh ok" Then her son rapist proceeds to take her off, because they have fallen in love or something, when in actuality he hypnotized her into thinking that. She gets away from him, and murders him I believe, and for a long ass time she is pissed off at the avengers for just going along with that bullshit while it went down.
Avengers are a pretty shitty friend group
Oh the hulk is too strong , send into space that will never back fire right?
We have personal disputes over the law, well I am going make sure it becomes a law and war. Instead of just internal discussion because my view point on the world shouldn't exactly be trusted because I build robot armor for a living.
And then there is scarlet witch who is several times worse than you think cyclops is.
I may need you to walk me through to the negative conclusions.
you and your mind reading significant other go for a walk on the beach, there are many attractive women [or men] on this beach and your significant other is reading your mind.
good luck.
Although if you're arguing that muties would make the worlds best escorts, then i dont think there's much debate there.
I said sex, not dating. I'm not an idiot.
Or if she loved me, maybe she could learn to love my dirty mind.
yeah but they'd also make the best corporate spies. what if you accidentally think about business stuff or your password for your computer?
wow that is umm.....yea
And no one cares about the people who can do that but AREN'T mutants (the ones that aren't villains).
THAT is the point. The hatred Marvel Humans have for mutants is arbitrary, just like actual racism.
Yes this from my large swath of comics are really weird and Effed up and Used to be more so back in the day book.
Do you want to hear about the death stroke the statutory rapist next?
Or How about Scarlet witch the woman who screwed over all the mutants far harder than people think cyclops did.
Supermanisdead
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You mean when wanda "cured" the boy who could breathe underwater and he drowned? Or when she cured the mutants who could fly and they plummeted to their deaths? That miserable psychotic bitch didn't help with shit. She had a mental breakdown because her father used to make her do sexy dances while she was part of his terrorist group. She later fell in love with an MP3 player and stole the soul of a devil to magically create children.
Scarlet Witch = murderous psychopath.
Chuckie
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I wanna hear both!
I haven't read any comics in a while, this is a fun way to learn some of the stories.
They did care but Iron man was a dick and deleted the registry as soon as he lost his position of power.
^^^
Truth
The Avengers really are a shitty team.
Ms Marvel will never be taken seriously because of that story. WTF was Marvel thinking back then. :\
Scarlet Witch got off way too easy for what she did.
Also... Cyclops was Right
They only cared because of a freak accident and a public scare campaign and then went back to not caring like three years later.
Calm down Rogue.
hahah well they always did write him hanging out with them teens.
Terra was old enough though, wasn't she?
Or maybe they were in Spain, I dunno.
MisterHero
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It's not their fault that they've become desensitized to mindless conflicts with humanity smack in the center of it all.
There was the ongoing mutant crisis. Then, Captain America declared war on the US government for trying to be accountable for its metahuman presence. ONE mutant rewriting history. Alien invasions up the wazoo.
The One Above All is pretty sadistic if all he can conjure are heroes that crap out disaster after disaster without the aid of supervillains!
It is their fault they the become desensitized to mindless conflicts with humanity smack in the center of it all except when it comes to mutants, though.
Got to start somewhere.
Supermanisdead
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I will never forgive that genocidal tyrant bitch.
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a'iiegt, Story time. Let me tell you a few comic book stories some short some long.
Ahem , a long time ago there was a mercenary assassin man named Slade Wilson, this middle aged man had beef with a bunch of teen agers. To get these teenagers, he seduced one of them, a middle aged man. Seduced a teenager to get back at the group of teens, resulting in her switching sides.
You remember Terra from the teen titans cartoon, and she went evil. Its because he fucked her. absorb that.
Which he shouldn't care about, because he is a mercenary, and his job is where the money. So not only is he shitty at his job, he is a very petty human being who have sex with under aged women just to get back at you.
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Next the story of scarlet witch, scarlet witches powers, are very powerful. She can change the world at a whim. And she did, eliminated a bunch of mutant powers at one time. But hey village isn't that what they wanted now they can be normal right? No. Let me throw some hypotheticals at you , how about those people who identified with their gifts, what about those people who were in bad scrapes at the time and now are dead because for some reason in the middle of whatever they were doing their power conked out. What about those who were known for their powers and had people already wanting to kill them, and their powers where their only defense mechanism. Scarlet witch is an effectively as mass murderer and a woman who took away the identities of millions of people.
Eventually during AvX they got it back , but look at all the crap that had to happen for that to happen.
" oh yeah you can have your powers back and new people can get powers, but the world hates you at the moment. so yeah"
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I have another story the story of parallax if you want to hear, its pretty long though. But it funny and ends on a good note.
so just go date her father, the other genocidal tyrant.
Remember how in Civil War the X Men came to help find survivors in the school and then not a single Avenger came to the aid of the X Mansion when a bunch of anti mutant zealots blew up a bus full of school kids.
There is a serious disconnect between the mutants and the superheroes in Marvel. I've often thought it would make more sense to separate the two into their own different universes.
Because for the average bigot why is it ok to hate like Wolverine purely for having powers but not ok to hate Spider-Man purely for having powers
There is a serious disconnect between the mutants and the superheroes in Marvel. I've often thought it would make more sense to separate the two into their own different universes.
Because for the average bigot why is it ok to hate like Wolverine purely for having powers but not ok to hate Spider-Man purely for having powers
MisterHero
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The mutants refused to take a side during the Registration Civil War. They obviously don't care for the world at large!
Chuckie
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Hahaha. Awesome stories. Why did Scarlet Witch turn off the powers? Didn't she know what would happen? Essentially she is (supposed to be) a good character right?
And yeah do tell me a story of parallax
Story time!
Because they are bigots. They do not make sense by their very nature.
Actually alot of people hate both of them. OR rather all the super heroes. The mutant thing is more of " soon it will be more of them than us" kind of thing.
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